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    • #11381
      Olaf
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      2 Witnesses?

      Rev.11:11. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
      12. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

      Rev.12:14. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
      Rev.13:6. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM that dwell in heaven.

      [Whom does he KNOW DWELLING in Heaven? Elsewhere in Revelation it is ANGELS = Angels]

      Helicopters or Quad-copters = Sound like horses running, Wings like women’s hair in Ponytails?

      Rev.9:7. And the shapes of the locusts [were] like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads [were] as it were crowns like gold, and their faces [were] as the faces of men.
      8. And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as [the teeth] of lions.
      9. And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings [was] as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
      10. And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power [was] to hurt men five months. (Sting – Looking Tail rotors?)

      Multiple warhead Missiles? = Snake-like? Killing 1/3 of Humanity?

      Rev.9:18. By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
      19. For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails [were] like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

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    • #11270
      Olaf
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      Geri, from what I read, there is no “Church” in Heaven. BUT there IS a BRIDE.

      From all the descriptions, there is a BRIDE and Jesus is the GROOM, and they are IN-LOVE with each other. This is the FAMILY or KINGDOM of Heaven. The FACT in what we experience as HUMANS, is that we FIRST have a MARRIAGE, just Like Adam and Eve. They procreated and FRUITFULLY multiplied.

      As Humans, the CHILDREN, or SEED, are not CHOSEN & NOT in – love with their FATHER/GROOM that produced them, and at times need CORRECTION (Spare the Rod, Spoil the Child?) You see, the BRIDE doesn’t need CHASTISING (Tribulation), and the BRIDE is CHOSEN/ELECTED.

      Mark 13:20. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s SAKE, whom HE hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

      The ELECT, or CHOSEN are the BRIDE/5 WISE Virgins, the 5 FOOLISH were REJECTEDMatt.25:12. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know YOU not.
      13. Watch therefore, for YE know NEITHER the day NOR the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
      This BRIDE was ISRAEL, and NOT the JEWS. – Yes, Jesus came as a JEW, but the BRIDE is the WOMAN who EXPECTS (Pregnant with Child) Jesus to take HER to the FATHER’S House.

      Rev.12:6. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days. – [Before 2nd ADVENT/Resurrection]. This NEXT verse is a REITERATION on HOW and Where She’s Taken.]

      14. And to the woman were given TWO WINGS of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

      As the SERPENT and CO, were BARRED from HEAVEN where the FACE of the SERPENT has no access! – The SERPENT is “13. …cast unto the EARTH, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man [child].

      This WOMAN (All ISRAEL, Not JEWS) is PERSECUTED for 42Months – BEFORE the 42Months of “BEAST” World Government. Rev.11:2. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.  – [DAVID, in CONTEXT, the HOLY CITY, is NOT old JERUSALEM.]

      JOHN is NOW writing ONLY about the BRIDE who is DOWNTRODDEN. Rev.21:2. And I John saw the HOLY CITY, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. [The following tells of the HOLY CITY – not Martyred – Down Trodden]
      Rev.3:12. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.

      PROBLEM!! in NEW Jerusalem, – …Rev.21:22. And I saw NO TEMPLE therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
      Obviously, the NEW Jerusalem is NO LONGER a piece of REAL ESTATE, but OVERCOMERS!

      Rev.3:12. Him that OVERCOMETH will I make a pillar in the temple of my God,…

      As you see the DESCRIPTION of the NEW Jerusalem, with 12 Foundations of Precious Stones and 12 PEARLY Gates & Being as Long as Wide as High! Rev.21:16. And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
      So the OVERCOMERS were in GOD’S Eyes PERFECT through redemption, and not REAL-ESTATE.

      The WOMAN is the 144,000 REDEEMED from EARTH to a PLACE Prepared!

      John 14:3. And if I go and PREPARE a PLACE for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.
      Rev.12:6. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a PLACE PREPARED of God, that they should feed her THERE a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

      MEASURING back 1260Days from the END (Resurrection/Advent) – Last TRUMP what PAUL wrote in 1 Cor.15:52, I don’t BELIEVE that he referred to TRUMPETS of REVELATION, which were writtem ~90AD. He meant the Feast of Trumpets, or more specifically Rosh Hashana of 2023.

      On calculating the 1260 DAYS I found April 4th 2020 was when the rapture could happen. – On opening the HEBCAL Internet site, I found Nisan 10, being that Date. I previously THOUGHT the rapture to be Shavuot II (Pentecost) – as I took 1,335 DAYS from the BEGINNING Day of 5777.

      I BELIEVE that JOEL was referring to the THREE Pentecosts – the one in ACTS.2:16, which one also comes 50DAYS after Passover and occurs on May 30th 2020. The OTHER is for the SEALED or HOLY CITY [Children of ZION] that is Downtrodden before RAPTURE of April 4th 2020.

      Joel 2:23. Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, [Acts 2:16] and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, AND the latter rain in the first [month]. – NISAN 1-10.

      42 Months of World Government  (Rev.13:5) STARTS on Nisan 1, 2020 (42Months before 2nd Advent/Resurrection of September 16th 2023 TRUMP)

      Before RAPTURE, the WOMAN is attacked with a FLOOD, from Devil. Rev.12:15. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. (and the SEED??? of WOMAN?) 17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

      Dan.9:26. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the [AC] prince that shall come shall destroy the [Jerusalem] city and the sanctuary [Saint]; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

      The SEED are NOT the BRIDE, but left behind to be KILLED.

      Rev.6:9. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

      11. And WHITE ROBES were given unto EVERY ONE [ALL??] of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled.

      Rev.7:13. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in WHITE ROBES? and whence came they?
      14. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
      So the 2 Witnesses will SHOW the TRUTH to those who HAVE NOT been SEALED.

      Rev.9: 4. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
      5. And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment [was] as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

      From WORLD Government on NISAN 1 – 2020 (March 26th 2020) till 666 issued (July 14th 2020)

      And the 2,300 Evenings and Mornings HAS NOT happened before with Antiocus Epiphanes. WHY?

      Matt.24:15. When ye therefore SHALL [FUTURE] see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:).

      Dan.8:14. And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary [SAINT] be cleansed [Morally JUSTIFIED]. (See Concordance – No Sanctuary now)
      2,300Evenings&Mornings = 1150 Days (Read Gen.1:5) 1x Half day +1x Half day = 1 WHOLE day.

      SO HOW LONG is the SAINT and HOST TRODDEN UNDER foot? – 1,150 Days from Buying & Selling, as in Rev.13:17. HOST = Rev7:9. After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues,…
      Dan.8:12. And an host was given [him] against the daily [Activity] [sacrifice] by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practiced, and prospered.
      :cry:

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    • #11070
      Olaf
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      I see there are so many conflicting ideas in this forum, yet it is interesting to see the both sides of the argument. As may believe in a RAPTURE, having an interest in a Rapture Forum, I see that there are some who have not linked former shadow EXAMPLES in the Bible with the times of the END.

      There are some who do not link examples of PAST occurrences as being a dress rehearsal for the END.

      I could be wrong in my view, but there are 3.5yrs that ELIJAH was dealing with Israel long ago.

      James 5:17. Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of THREE YEARS and SIX MONTHS.

      Malachi 4:5. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
      Some seem to think that MOSES was NOT a companion of Elijah, in the time the 2 witnesses were to Prophesy. WHAT makes this Theory wrong … if this DUO were ALSO the TWO who,  just before the PASSOVER happened, came to encourage Christ to go THROUGH with His Plan to DIE for us?

      Luke 9:30. And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:
      31. Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
      Some say it would have to be Enoch, as we were DESTINED to die Hebrew 9:27. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: …ONCE to DIE isn’t to DIE once.
      – What about those raised, by Elijah and Yahusha? Some say that it was JOHN – the one who wrote Revelation, as they have no record of HIS death. Rev.10:11. And he said unto me, Thou must PROPHESY AGAIN before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

      After digressing, I believe the GREAT Tribulation is JUST the LAST half of the LAST 7 Years. In other words, the 42Months mentioned in Rev.11:1-3, is when the Holy City is DOWN-Trodden, 42 months before the 1260Day of 2 Witnesses have 1260 Days prophecy, and DIE 8 DAYS before the Resurrection and ADVENT occurring on a ROSH HASHANA Trumpet EVENT, being New Year of the 5784. (September 16th 2023)

      How do I come to 2023? We have BLOOD MOONS on FEAST days in 2014 & 2015, being the LAST TETRAD (4 BLOOD MOONS) – of which it is the 7th TETRAD that occurred in ISRAEL’S History!

      These TETRADS were WARNINGS that occurred when Israel was almost about to be “Birthed” 1948, and also when 6 Day War occurred when Jerusalem was UNITED – Ending Gentile Occupation as was Prophesied in Luke 21:24. (Google BLOOD MOONS)

      The Following year after the last TETRAD, was the START of 5777, – Which was the October 3rd 2016. I believe the TRIPPLE 7 was God’s hint to say 7 FINAL years is Commencing!

      Thus we have TRUMP being Elected just AFTER Oct. 3rd 2016. (Till Sept. 16th 2023) Dan.12:1. And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
      This does not say that TRUMP is of GOD, but he STANDS for land of Israel.

      All the TIME MENTIONED in Daniel and Revelation HINGE on the Last 7 YEARS, which has 42 + 42Months. (2016 till 2023) – all but 2,300Evenings & Mornings – (1,150Days) relate to that 7 yrs.

      42 Months Holy CITY is DOWN-TRODDEN (Holy City = Rev.21:2 – NOT Old but NEW Jerusalem)

      New Jerusalem is the BRIDE/FIRST Fruits(Not HARVEST)/ Woman Taken with Eagle Wings (Rev.12:6) 1,260Days Before Resurrection. NOT First Fruits of those who “Slept“.

      1 Cor.15:20. But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.
      23. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward THEY that [SLEEP?] are Christ’s at his coming. [2nd ADVENT/Resurrection]

      WHO are these who are DWELL in HEAVEN? (While [Name Removed by Moderator] Continues 42 Months) – is it not the Chosen/Elected WOMAN Bride who is RAPTURED – For WHOM the DAYS were SHORTENED? Mark 13:20 .. but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days. – For those NOT CHOSEN? – Inhabiting EARTH and of sea?
      Rev.12:12. Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
      Rev.13:5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.
      6. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

      BLASPHEMY = Claiming to be GOD and FORGIVE our SINS? (Popes and Priests/Rabbi?)

      Matt.23:8. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.
      9. And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
      10. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.

      Those who have NOT KNOWN of the DAY or HOUR?:unsure:

      Matt.25:12. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
      13. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

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    • #10979
      Olaf
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      :agree  – Just like in the Parable: –

      Luke 15:4. What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
      5. And when he hath found [it], he layeth [it] on his shoulders, rejoicing.
      6. And when he cometh home, he calleth together [his] friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost.
      7. I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.:amen:

      That might also be a veiled indication that Christ came HERE to Earth – where there might be 99 other UN-FALLEN Worlds as in: – Job 1:6 & Job 2:1. Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

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    • #10966
      Olaf
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      Have you ever thought of downloading a (Free) Concordance program such as “E-Sword”?

      If you red Dan.8:14. And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. – you will find that the BOLD words I just indicated are MISTAKES in the TRUE translation.
      Let me EXPLAIN. – the word days is actually EVENINGS and MORNINGS – or – ONE half Day plus ONE half Day – in other words TWO x Halves = ONE. 2,300 Half Days = 1,150 DAYS. WHY?

      Gen.1:5. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first DAY.

      Without a Concordance there is no excuse to see that it mentions Evening & Morning. (DAY)

      Dan.8:26. And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told [is] true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it [shall be] for many days.

      Dan.8:14. And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
      consult the concordance on the bold and struck through words.

      The VISION of the Evenings is SHUT UP till the END TIME, thus the vision is for NOW – and WHERE is there a SANCTUARY/TEMPLE? …And if no TEMPLE, many say it was Antiocus Epiphinus some 300years PRIOR to Christ!!!

      Mark 13:14. But when ye shall [i.e. FUTURE] see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:

      Sanctuary = ANY HOLY – Building ITEM or PERSON/Saint

      Cleansed = FORENSICALLY – i.e. JUSTIFIED in eyes of the LAW.

      So we have 1,150 DAYS before we are JUSTIFIED by Jesus’ Blood before we go to HEAVEN.

      Daniel referred to the TIME that would ensue with the “abomination of desolation” BEFORE we are taken to Heaven with the 2nd Advent/Resurrection of Righteous.

      WHAT is the BIGGEST thing that is reiterated that the ABOMINATION (Beast) would do to get allegiance/Worship?

      Rev.13:15. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. – 123456||123456||123456.???

      Thus, we have the introduction of a DEATH Decree that LASTS 2,300 Evenings & Mornings???

      If the TRUMP will sound on 5784 Rosh Hashana, we should expect the 666 issued ~ July 14 2020.

      1 Cor.15:52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

      Tradition says that a WOMAN (Bride?) can PROPOSE to the GROOM to marry HER! only on a LEAP year??? 2020? The other FOOLISH say to the man – OPEN TO US! He refuses!

      Matt.25:11. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
      12. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.:cry:

    • #10928
      Olaf
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      Tishrei ONE is Rosh Hashana. YES, the RESURRECTION of the Saints happens on Tishrei One.

      Resurrection = 1 Cor:15:52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
      This is TISHREI ONE of the YEAR after completion of the 7 CIVIL Calendar Years – 5777 – 5783.

      It is TRUMPET call for the ROSH HASHANA NEW YEAR on the Civil Calendar 5784.

      The CEREMONIAL Calendar is OVERLAPPED by ~ 6 Months, thus, NISAN is the FIRST Month of the FEAST Days which starts with CHOOSING a LAMB on NISAN 10, to be KILLED on NISAN 14 Passover as Exodus 12:6 “…shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month:..”

      Exod.12:2. This month (Nisan) [shall be] unto you the beginning of months: it [shall be] the first month of the year to you.
      3. Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth [day] of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of [their] fathers, a lamb for an house:

      This is how I see it – Maybe I am WRONG!

      Corona = Small Crown?

      James 1:12. Blessed [is] the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

      Rev.2:10. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast [some] of you into prison, that ye may be TRIED; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

      When Jesus was TRIED John 19:2. And the soldiers platted a CROWN OF THORNS, and put [it] on His head, and they put on him a purple robe,

      Jesus was RESURRECTED on Nisan 17th. – Passover = Nisan 14th + 3 Days & 3 Nights in the HEART of the earth.

      Matt.12:40. For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

      Nisan 10 – Tenth day of First Month – TAKE to us a LAMB for a HOUSE.

      Exodus 12:3. Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth [day] of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of [their] fathers, a lamb for an house:

      6. And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

      Nisan 10 – Crossing Jordan to Promised Land. (the 10 DOUBTING SPIES died BEFORE this)

      Joshua 4:19. And the people came up out of Jordan on the tenth [day] of the first month, and encamped in Gilgal, in the east border of Jericho.

      Palm Sunday – Nisan 10 – Choose King of JEWS?

      Gen.49:10. The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him [shall] the gathering of the people [be].

      11. Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass’s colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: (Purple?) – John 19:2 …and they put on him a purple robe

      John 15:5. I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

      John 12:15. Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass’s colt.

      John 12:13. Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed [is] the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

      Matt.23:39. For I say unto you, Ye shall NOT see me henceforth, TILL ye shall say, Blessed [is] he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

      DO we go to the PROMISED LAND on NISAN 10? – to Celebrate Passover in Heaven 4 Days later?

      Luke 22:18. For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

      1,260Days Before [(September 16th 2023) Rosh Hashana / LAST Trump] = it is NISAN 10

      Rev.12:6. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days.

      John 14:3. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

      1 Kings 18:21. And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD [be] God, follow him: but if Baal, [then] follow him. And the people answered him not a word.

      CHOOSE ye this Day – A Corona (Death Virus), or Crossing Jordan to a CROWN of LIFE!

      Joshua 24:15. And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD. :yahoo:

      Rev.9:18. By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

      MISSILES??? 19. For their power is in their mouth, and [Fire?] in their tails: for their tails [were] like unto serpents, and had [NUCLEAR?] heads, and with them they do hurt.

      20. And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

    • #10905
      Olaf
      Participant

      Wow Gery, I find it very difficult to understand your interpretation. Sorry, maybe you are right!

      How I understand it, is the Kingdom of Heaven is a FAMILY situation, just like Christ with his 12 Followers (Disciples) and the Multitude of Followers.

      Jacob (ISRAEL) has 12 sons with later a NATION (Kingdom) being the SEED of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

      ABRAM = High FATHER. Isaac = the ONLY (Legitimate) Son.

      YHWH = High FATHER. Yahusha = Only Begotten Son.

      Jacob the Cheat becomes ISRAEL striving with God and Man. Gen.32:28. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

      I understand that ISRAEL is NOT rejected on the INDIVIDUAL level, but as NATION is rejected.

      The JEWS are NOT ISRAEL, but just 2 TRIBES of ISRAEL the OTHER 10 Tribes were scattered among the NATIONS of Earth. The “Church” is the NAZARENE SECT.

      Acts 24:5. For we have found this man [a] pestilent [fellow], and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes:
      John 10:16. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.

      I see the WOMAN in Revelation 12 is ALSO the BRIDE of Christ, The CHOSEN-Elect that are REDEEMED and have the Time of trouble SHORTENED by going to Heaven as FIRST fruits.

      Mark 13:20. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
      Rev.12:17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

      A Bridegroom (Yahusha) Jesus DOESN’T CHOOSE the SEED (Children) and they are not IN LOVE with Him – The WOMAN is IN LOVE with HIM – The WOMAN wants to MARRY the Groom. The SEED is more NUMEROUS than the 12x 12,000 BRIDES.

      144,000 are SEALED with the SURNAME of Groom’s Father YHWH in their FOREHEAD. (Rev.7:3)

      After the MARRIAGE of 1,260Days (Rev.12:6 & 14) the REMNANT SEED – Great Multitude – are ALL KILLED in the TRIBULATION of 2,300 E&M (1,150 Days) after 666 Buy & Sell decree.

      Rev.6:11. And white robes were given unto EVERY ONE of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, [Converts from 2 Witnesses] that should be killed as they [were], should be fulfilled.
      The TWO Winesses are ALSO Killed. [8 Days before the Advent]
      Rev.11:7. And when they shall have finished their [1,260Days] testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

      And the SEED at RESURRECTION are RAPTURED with PAST Millennia of Martyrs & Saints.

      Rev.7:9. After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
      Rev.7:13. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
      14. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

      THE SEED do NOT go to the MARRIAGE feast of the BRIDE (5 WISE who had Extra OIL) – the FOOLISH – Matt.25:13. Watch therefore, for YE know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
      Matt.12:35. Let your loins be girded about, and [your] lights burning;
      36. And ye yourselves like unto men [5 Wise] that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.

      Miss out on the WEDDING/Firstfruits Rapture, you are not lost if you DON’T receive the MARK of the BEAST.

      Rev.14:11. And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, AND whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
      :wacko: :scratch:

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    • #10903
      Olaf
      Participant

       

      Be Thankful for the “CALM” before the STORM.

      Rev.7:1. And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
      2. And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
      3. Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, TILL we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
      4. And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

      As we can see, there is STORM brewing – ONCE the SEALING is COMPLETE, BAM! WW3???

      NOT SEALED? Rev.9:4. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but ONLY those men which have NOT the seal of God in their foreheads.
      5. And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented FIVE MONTHS: and their torment [was] as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
      6. And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

      1) March 2) April 3) May 4) June 5) July 14th . 1,150 days of Tribulation after the MARK is Issued, on July 14th 2020 ???

      March 26th 2020 World Government??? – HOPE NOT!!! :groan

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    • #10902
      Olaf
      Participant

      We have the 7 Years of 5777 till 5783 (Inclusive) – The NEXT day (Rosh Hashana) 5784 TRUMP. i.e. – October 3rd 2016 TILL September 16th 2023, then next day the TRUMP.

      1 Cor.15:52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

      “Measure” Rev 11:2. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the HOLY CITY shall they TREAD UNDER FOOT forty [and] two months.

      Who is Holy City in Revelation??? Rev.3:12. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.

      AFTER the 42 Months Treading down {Martyrs ?}:-
      3. And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

      Fact: – 42 MONTHS from DAY one of 5777 (October 3rd 2016) comes to March 26th 2020. this the FOLLOWING 42 Months starts March 26th 2020, when UN Rules.

      That LAST 42 Months is 7 DAYS LONGER than 1260Days of 2 Witnesses, who are Killed (Rev.11:7)

      Rev.13:5. And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.

      Woman (Holy City?)Rev.12:6. And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days. – so the woman goes 1260days BEFORE the END (September 16th TRUMP) – Nisan 10 while EVERYONE who later go THROUGH Tribulation get white ROBES [Killed] (Rev.6:11 & Rev.7:14)

      Remnant = Rev.12:17. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

      Both the POPE and the U.N. are IN existence as as a POWER (Little Horn).

      Dan.7:7. After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns.8. I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn [were] eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
      Those FIRST Horns Plucked up were Lion/Bear/Leopard (German/Russian/English)

      The 3 Horns (Europe/USSR/UK) are now going to be UNDER UN Rule. The EU is almost Finished, and Russia is no longer the USSR, and we have Brexit – no longer a UNITED Kingdom.

      Rev.13:2. And the [UN] beast which I saw was [English BODY] like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. :cry:

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    • #10871
      Olaf
      Participant

      Geri, I do not consider that the Letters to the Churches were PERIODS. The MENORA – 7 Candle sticks were the LIGHT of the WORLD – which are ALL PERMANENTLY lit in the TEMPLE, never ONE at a time. No hiding under a BUSHEL!

      Matt.5:14. Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
      15. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

      SARDIS = the 5th CHURCH in the list? Why WATCH if there are still 2 Church PERIODS till Rapture?

      Rev.3:3. Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
      Rev.1:11. Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send [it] unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

      These are ALL in TURKEY – A MUSLIM Nation, so we can assume that there ARE no Christian CHURCHES in Turkey (At least in Thyatira there isn’t) – Thyatira is NOW known as “AK-HISAR” or “WHITE – FORTRESS”.

      Just an aside, WHO is in the WHITE HOUSE that Claims to be a Prophetess and is a “Spiritual Guide” to TRUMP? (Paula WHITE-Cain??) – [See Rev.2:20-23]

      As I stated earlier, the World Government AND Elijah & Moses will COMMENCE on March 26th 2020 and the RAPTURE on April 4th 2020, there are 10 DAYS (Inclusive)?

      Smyrna: Rev.2:10. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast [some] of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
      Could that be connected?

      Rev.1:19. Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
      Rev.4:1. After this I looked, and, behold, a door [was] opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard [was] as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will show thee things which must be hereafter.
      The things that ARE (When John WROTE Revelation when there were no MUSLIMS in Turkey.)

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    • #10860
      Olaf
      Participant

      Geri, I may not have made it clear.

      Rev.11:1. And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
      2. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.
      3. And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

      In a NUTSHELL, the ABOVE 3 verses tell me what Dan.9:24-27 puzzle contains.

      MEASURE = TIME, and NOT linear Measurement, as we have Months and Days in the Measurement Command.

      The First measurement is GENTILE Occupation of Old Jerusalem before 1967 – Given to Gentiles.

      Command > + 62 Weeks (434yrs) > 1967 = Fulfillment of Gentile OCCUPATION.

      Dan.9:25. Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
      Luke 21:24. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

      1967 > + 49yrs (Jubilee Cycle of TEMPLE) > (1967 + 49yrs = 2016) > Messiah Prince + Trouble.

      Dan.9:25. Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
      Dan.12:1. And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation [even] to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

      2016 > Messiah/Michael/Great Prince Stands + Time of TROUBLE > Everyone in Book Delivered.

      1967 + 49yrs = 2016 (Start of TROUBLE) > END/Resurrection [Lasting ONE Week – Bal. of 70Week]

      Dan.9:27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

      2016 + Week of 2 HALVES (Midst of WEEK) Sacrifice + Oblation = Prayers? Cease? Rapture?

      Rev.11:2. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.
      3. And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

      Time of TROUBLE = 7 Years = 42Months HOLY City (New Jerusalem) Trodden + 1260Day Witness.

      That Holy City = the ELECT/Chosen who Worship in Torah (Holy Day Celebrations) & Martyrs. This is Depicted as “ALTAR” in that 42 Months being “Trodden under foot” till “Mid Week” Rapture.

      Rev.11:1. And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

      [The ALTAR Martyrs & Temple Celebration (Moed)]
      Rev.6:9. And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

      My LONG WINDED answer is: – The 2 WITNESSES arrive BEFORE the RAPTURE.

      The Dates to watch are: –

      Set up of U.N. ABOMINATION of DESOLATION – 1290Days Before END [February 26th 2020]

      42Mths that Pope Francis/UN World Govt. CONTINUE (Rev.13:5) before End [March 26th 2020] (and the 2 WITNESSES appear ON THAT SAME Day to be killed after 1260Days) ^^^^^^^^

      Nisan 10 Go to Promised Land (Joshua 4:19) Palm Sunday (also Matt.23:39) [April 4th 2020]

      2 Wittnesses DIE after 1,260Days Witnessing – 8 days BEFORE Resurrection. [September 8th 2023]

      For the ELECT/Chosen/144k – Read Mark 13:20. And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

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    • #10794
      Olaf
      Participant

      (OLAF) – All good information! I suggest that we NOT look at the PAST [B.C. Dates], and onto OUR times [A.D.]

      As was suggested, where Jesus read from Isa.61, it MAY be that HISTORY has been tampered with by the enemies of our Lord, and I have read that there is speculation of the crucifixion being A.D. 32. – Thus, if we see that Jesus left out the following, does intimate that Isa.61 was a DUAL prophecy.

      I put forward a suggestion that Dan.9:24-27 was ALSO a DUAL Prophecy of the FIRST as WELL AS a SECOND Advent. Please note – there are MORE than 4 Commands to REBUILD Jerusalem walls. This can be verified on the Internet. The LAST 2 Commands are a little VAGUE as to a DATE or even YEAR of Command issue. The reason I believe, is that we are NOT encouraged by the devil to calculate the APPEARANCE of our KING of Kings!

      Those LAST TWO occasions of a RENOVATION taking place were 1535-1538 A D. By Sultan Suleiman and the LAST Renovation finished 2019 by the present Israeli Government. Wikipedia has some info on it….  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walls_of_Jerusalem

      Let us ASSUME that the TIME measurements given in Daniel 9 are points of events to mark,- we can use the following MARKERS. 62 SEVENED [434yrs?] 7 SEVENED [49yrs?] ONE SEVENED [7yrs]

      Since they all ADD together to make 490yrs, it is imperative that we START on the CORRECT year!

      If the ISSUE of Command is BEFORE work commences, we can assume that 1535 start of rebuilding brings us to 2025 for the END of the 490yrs.

      On further examination, this ISSUING of a COMMAND to rebuild MUST HAVE to have been 1533, and NOT 1535 – as NOTHING happened in 1969. [1535 + 434 = 1969]

      June 7th 1967 was the UNIFICATION of Jerusalem in 6-Day WAR. [1533 +434 = 1967] – End of “GENTILE OCCUPATION” which FULFILLED Jesus’ Prophecy in Luke 21:24. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles [OCCUPATION ?] be fulfilled.

      This GENTILE Occupation is symbolically given in the PARALLEL prophecy of the 490yrs Daniel wrote about. Rev.11:1. And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God [Temple 49yrs], and the altar, and them that worship therein.
      2. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles [OCCUPATION of 434yrs?]: and the holy city [NEW Jerusalem?] shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months. [Holy City (Bride) persecuted Rev.3:12 & Rev.21:2]
      3. And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. [Moses & Elijah Mal.4:4-6 & Luke 9:30]

      Don’t Measure 434yr Occupation – Measure from 1967 – Then 49yr (Temple Cycle) to 2016 – 42M to 25th March 2020 – 26th March to 8th September 2023. {Elijah & Moses Killed} (Rev.11:7)

      8th September 2023 till New year Trumpet of 5784 (Rosh Hashana) – Last Trump = 8 Days.

      Leviticus 12:3. And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.  And in – 1Cor.15:50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; …

      ON the 8th Day = Resurrection/Advent/Last Trump 1 Cor.15:52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. :prayer-hands:

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    • #10767
      Olaf
      Participant

      Thanks White Stone.

      I have other Bible facts that also points to 2023 as the YEAR when the LAST Trumpet is Blown – on Hebrew Calendar 5784 – (the Rosh Hashana Trumpet) 1 Cor.15:52. In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
      I am not of the “FIVE DOVES”, but do post some of my findings there at times.

      To save space here, see my article on: – http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2020/olaf29.htm

      or see Attachment on my article: – http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/feb2020/olaf22.htm :mail:

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