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    • #70024
      chondra
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      Picture white horse riding, tapping the red horse (riding together), tapping black horse all riding together, keeping their mayhem succinct with one another…

      *1st white horse: Has a crown w/bow w/no arrow to conquer the world:

      Corona in Latin means Crown, virus shut down *the entire world*.

      White Horse still riding~~~taps red horse

      *2nd red horse: Has a great sword to take peace and safety:

      Virus took everyone’s peace (of mind) and safety (economics).

      Two horses riding together, taps the third, black horse.

      *3rd Black horse: A days wage for a loaf of bread: No food, farms reducing crops back to the ground, cattle/pigs/chickens put to death because of processing plants shutting down WORLD WIDE and locust plagues across many continents.

      Three horses riding about to tap the fourth horse

      *4th Pale horse (all horses are riding together now): Death and (Gates of) Hell, gathers 1/4 of the earth to go out and kill by: famine, sword, pestilence, beasts of the earth (vaccine has mRNA-DNA changer-we’re no longer in the image of God and unredeemable)

      * BLM, AntiFa, Muslim Brotherhood, IMF, WEF, globalist, CFR (their cabal lords-UN) are the army of 1/4 who are going out destroying, killing the entire western cultures.

      * The dragon is China; their mascot is a dragon (and phoenix).

      Just a thought- to get outside the box. Nothing is as we were taught for decades…we shouldn’t be here according to old/past eschatology.

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    • #70026
      Arthur
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      Yeah! Things aren’t exactly unfolding as we all thought. Shows what we know. Lol.

      It’s kind of like a novel with many plot twists and turns. :wacko:

      I must confess that I have seen the end of this novel and it has an absolutely fantastic ending, however. ;-)

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    • #70031
      regina
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      except Jesus is in heaven, not yet having opened the scroll with the seals

      there are elders, crowned (Rev 4), in this great meeting/event that is about to take place (Rev 5). when do the saints gain their crowns, recognition, from the Lord?

      when the Lord comes for the church – 1Thes 2:19, 2Tim 4:8, 1Pet 5:4

      it isn’t the horse riders that signal for another to roll out their baggage, its Jesus who opens all the seals. its all at the timing of the Lord of heaven and earth. Judgement is restrained until God hands the judgement scroll to His Son and His Son opens these sentences (as in legal sentencing that has been determined) one by one

      we  are indeed in very different days than we could have imagined even 2-3 years ago. but the Lord Jesus and His Father knew these days were going to come. thankfully we can depend on His word that isn’t going to change from under us. the church is in heaven, clothed in white raiment, crowned, elders have been designated and are seated on thrones around the throne of God before Jesus gets that scroll from His Father’s hand, before even seal 1 is opened. That first rider is a judgment, living under an unrestrained antichrist is indeed a terrible judgment. the church is not under judgment.

      Rev 4-5

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    • #70035
      churchgal
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      While I am no fan of the vaxx at all, it is not yet the mark. It will only be the mark when worship of the beast is tied to it- it may very well change a person’s DNA to a non human state since taking the mark will certainly keep one out of Heaven and they will seek death and be unable to find it- very scary times for those left behind.

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    • #70045
      David W. Roche
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      I agree with Regina’s explanation. We just haven’t reached the opening of the seals yet, nor has the rider on the white horse been revealed.

      I do understand the desire to place current events within the framework of Revelation, but these are only foreshadows of things ahead. If we take words such as “corona” out of context, then the rules of interpretation can pretty much be tossed out the window. That isn’t meant to come across as a “know-it-all,” or to hold on to discredited interpretation. Clearly some of the things we assumed in previous decades have been shown not to be valid any longer.

      What’s wrong with the notion that the rider on the white horse is the coronavirus?

      4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

      5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

      6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

      7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

      8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.  Matthew 24:4-8

      Covid 19 is indeed a pestilence; yet the first warning Jesus gives is about being deceived. This passage roughly is parallel to what we find in the opening of the seals.  The first rider has more details surrounding him than the following riders, which seem to resemble conditions, rather than an individual.

      The color of the horses is important. White is first, and a white horse is usually associated with purity, honor, strength, etc.  Leaders often rode in a white horse. It seems to me that deception is what kicks off the rest of the horses and their riders.

      Red is often associated with war and bloodshed.  Black is a severe color, fitting for a famine, and the pale green horse is perfect to depict death and disease.  The coronavirus would seem to be more fittingly found under this banner.

      That is an opinion, not stated as an absolute fact.

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      • #70053
        regina
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        David said,

        What’s wrong with the notion that the rider on the white horse is the coronavirus?

        In agreement with David’s answer, but also another reason is that in Revelation 6:2, John sees a rider seated on a white horse. John watches the rider being given a crown. The rider accepts and receives the crown after Jesus has taken the scroll and opened up the first seal. This crown is not a virus, but a symbol of authority or victory.

        A crown is given by someone with the authority to give the crown. Who could that be? This rider does not crown himself, but the crown “was given to him”. I’ve heard it said that the crown may be given by spiritual wicked ones in high places, as in Ephesians 6:12

        Satan offered Jesus kingdoms of the world when he tempted Jesus (Matt 4:8-10), or perhaps the crown is given by a higher world human authority to this rider on the white horse. Either way, I agree with David about deception. This present world wants any leadership other than submission to Jesus.

        In Daniel 7:23-25, there is going to be a fourth kingdom. Out of this kingdom, 10 kings will rise, and then another rises who subdues 3 kings.

        Here is the Daniel passage that is relevant to the antichrist gaining power. note that this fourth kingdom devours the whole earth – the people under this kingdom authority will not be valued. there will be great persecution of new believers in Jesus and persecution of the Jews. we know from other passages in the bible.

        Jesus said it would be the worst time in human history:Mark 13:19-26

        https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+7%3A23-27&version=NASB
        Daniel 7:23 (NASB) “This is what he said: ‘The fourth beast will be a fourth kingdom on the earth which will be different from all the other kingdoms, and will devour the whole earth and trample it down and crush it. 24 As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will [a] humble three kings. 25 And he will [b] speak against the Most High and wear down the [c] saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and [d] they will be handed over to him for a [e] time, [f] times, and half a [g] time. 26 But the court will [h] convene for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, [i] annihilated and destroyed [j] forever. 27 Then the [k] sovereignty, the dominion, and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the [l] saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the empires will serve and obey Him.’

        Footnotes for Dan 7
        a. Daniel 7:24 Or humiliate
        b. Daniel 7:25 Lit speak words
        c. Daniel 7:25 Lit holy ones; i.e., God’s people
        d. Daniel 7:25 I.e., the saints
        e. Daniel 7:25 I.e., year(s)
        f. Daniel 7:25 I.e., year(s)
        g. Daniel 7:25 I.e., year(s)
        h. Daniel 7:26 Lit take its place
        i. Daniel 7:26 Lit to annihilate and to destroy
        j. Daniel 7:26 Lit to the end
        k. Daniel 7:27 Or kingdom
        l. Daniel 7:27 Lit holy ones; i.e., God’s people

        Daniel 12:4 But as for you, Daniel, keep these words secret and seal up the book until the end of time; many will roam about, and knowledge will increase.” 5 Then I, Daniel, looked, and behold, two others were standing, one on this bank of the stream and the other on that bank of the stream. 6 And someone said to the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream, “How long will it be until the end of these wonders?” 7 And I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the stream, as he raised his right hand and his left toward heaven, and swore by Him who lives forever that it would be for a time, times, and half a time; and as soon as they finish smashing the power of the holy people, all these events will be completed.

        Then King Jesus will come, when Israel finally looks to the Lord following the failure of all their power and allies to rescue them, and they will welcome Him, saying blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord

        Matthew 23:37-39

        Rev 19:11-21

        we know the “different” king in Daniel is the antichrist because of what he does and for how long.

        Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished for a time, times, and half a time, away from the presence of the serpent.

        Rev 13:1 Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten crowns, and on his heads were blasphemous names. 2 And the beast that I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like thoseof a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne, and great authority. 3 I saw one of his heads as if it had been fatally wounded, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; 4 they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?” 5 A mouth was given to him speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him. 6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.

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