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    • #36845
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Can’t say I’m feeling it for sure, but it’s the closest we’ve been it being a reality!

      TR

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    • #36846
      kmdickinson
      Participant

      All I know is that I haven’t anticipated anything like this since 2012. And that was when prophecy events were a real snoozer (relatively speaking, of course) compared to today.

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    • #36847
      Geri7
      Participant

      I’m feeling it. :whistle:   I just finished watching the youtube of the peace signing event in Washington, DC

      With Bibi saying we’ve been striving for this for years and it didn’t happen until now … and just in time for the Rosh Hashanah the Jewish new year. B-)

      Then the UAE official talking about “Peace, Prosperous and a secure future in the region”

      Wondering now do we need to wait for the others to join?  Or can we go home now? B-)

      And Iran, Turkey, Abbas and company must be stewing.  How long before they make their BIG move to attack??

      Oh and while the signing event happened … we have this … saw this posted on RITA facebook side …

      – Fair Use –

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    • #36855
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Next couple of days will be cliff hangers for sure!

      Working totally by faith now that God knows best and is prepared to come and Capture us for the Rapture!

      TR

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    • #36862
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      Last time I felt so much anticipation was in the Fall of 2015. May it be so this time around!

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      • #36963
        MyWhiteStone
        Moderator

        But without the gut-wrenching sick sinking sad desperate feeling after that.  Right, Yohanan?  I’m still not over it five years later! :negative: :cry:

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    • #36864
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Not counting on fuzzy math (counting disasters) to draw any conclusions!

      Need something more substantial and grounded.

      Indeed anticipation levels are high and with good reason!  But again, we’ve all been here before.

      TR

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    • #36867
      Leaving Soon
      Participant

      Feels like something significant is going to happen any day now.

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    • #36870
      tenderreed
      Participant

      That’s the Hope!

      Ever moving closer to our redemption and wedding!

      TR

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    • #36965
      tenderreed
      Participant

      May it be a glorious RH for sure!

      The world just keeps getting uglier! Father know’s best.

      Interesting to see which day the Lord has ordained for our exit, and why that day alone?!

      TR

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    • #36971
      Tammie
      Participant

      I agree with Leaving Soon, feels like a calm before the storm or the eye of a hurricane- atmospheric pressure is high and you feel the tension but with a unusual sense of calm, waiting, expecting, may it be so! :prayer-hands:

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      • #37006
        Leaving Soon
        Participant

        Well Tammie, For a while I’ve been thinking that the last 3 months of this year are going to be worse than the first 9 months.

        I hope I’m wrong or that it means that we are out of here before October.

        The other day I woke up as calm as can be and had a feeling that everything was going to be just fine. That everything bad going on this year was to force the vaccine on everyone and then everything would just calm down and go back to normal after we all get it.

        But then a few days later I see a headline that says Fauci says things won’t start to go back to normal until the end of 2021 lol

        All I know for sure is that God is telling me not to worry and that He has got this : )

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    • #36983
      Taureauchien
      Participant

      I’ve been trying to convince myself its not going to happen yet, and more needs to happen. Based off the “I come at an hour you expect not” ….. So i’m trying reverse psychology on myself. If I dont think its going to happen this weekend, then hopefully it will :yes:

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      • #36984
        Geri7
        Participant

        Hahaha … using reverse psychology.   Yep, been sooo disappointed and don’t want that feeling to happen AGAIN.

        That phrase “I come at an hour you think not” I’ve never really taken that phrase to mean the rapture but more the 2nd Coming event.  I’ve always held to the view we would know … and its mentioned in that same Matt 24 passage   “So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.”  So now I’m pondering the conflicting statements? :unsure:   And the I Thess passage is warning us to stay alert and watch for when they shall say, Peace and safety, then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

        So my take is if we watch and stay alert the rapture event will not be a surprise to us.

        Since yesterday they have proclaimed their peace and safety speeches and signed a few agreements and more of the many will be joining in shortly … we are definitely in the season and I think we wont be disappointed this time. :whistle:

         

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    • #36989
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Hopefully the calm before the storm!

      Being in the eye of the whirlwind!

      That erie calm I predicted.

      Hope, hope!

      TR

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    • #36997
      Arthur
      Participant

      Not feeling it, to be honest. At least, not yet.

      However, things are rapidly moving into place. It can’t be long now. :)

       

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    • #36998
      Kent
      Participant

      Will it be at midnight?!  Matthew 25:6  “But at midnight their was a shout, ‘Behold the bridegroom!  Come out to meet him.’  Israel is 7 hours ahead.  Here in Indiana I’m picking up the dog right before 5!  🙏🙌🏻

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    • #36999
      Kent
      Participant

      Was this another hint from Jesus Himself like when he said that no man knows the day or hour. That’s what they call Feast of Trumpets

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    • #37000
      Kent
      Participant

      And when you look at the 12 names of Feast of Trumpets along with it being three years since the Revelation 12 sign. Then we have the “Accord” just signed. On and on and on…  All types of signs. Some that seem to give a general time, and others that seem more specific.

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    • #37005
      Kent
      Participant

      Signing off for now. See you all at 5 Eastern Standard Time, perhaps. That’s midnight in Jerusalem. And if not, we’ll keep looking up.

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    • #37007
      tenderreed
      Participant

      That’s what I say Kent!  Midnight!

      The midnight train to Beaulah!

      Then again, following that analogy, He actually appears some time later!

      My guess was 3:33 AM!

      TR

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    • #37013
      Tammie
      Participant

      So my two cents— I bring in to play the Boaz and Ruth principle, it fits closer to your 0330 time! I’ll take any time, seriously B-) :prayer-hands:

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    • #37053
      tenderreed
      Participant

      We’re still here!  For now anyway!

      Every indication we have screams RH!

      When will RH be over exactly?!

      TR

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      • #37056
        Geri7
        Participant

        On our calendars … FOT ends Sunday, Sept 20th at sundown.

        If we are still here after Sunday … my next high watch date is Oct 28th … according to this chart … its “get in the ark day” so I’m pondering if we need to wait for “the many” to also join from now until then and will there be  ANOTHER historic signing proclaiming peace and security? :unsure:   Then we suddenly leave because  G/M forces are about to attack? :unsure:

        – Fair Use –

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    • #37054
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Wake up all you dead people already!

      TR

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    • #37057
      Todd Tomlinson
      Participant

      Its 5:30pm on the 17th in Israel right now — sunset is 6:44pm — could we be 25 hours and 14 minutes away?   I’m ready!

       

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    • #37059
      Blue
      Participant

      I found this while investigating when we might hear the trumpet. Has lots of info including that if the first day of FOT is on a Shabbat, then no trumpets are blown until the next day…

      http://calvarychapellehighvalley.org/images/Documents/Rosh-HaShanah-1.pdf

      -Fair Use-

       

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    • #37068
      Geri7
      Participant

      I’m not sure where to post this comment so I think I will post it here in the “Anyone feeling it?”  thread.

      I just had a conversation with the lawn guy.  He’s an old man who ruin my little patch of front lawn last year by dumping tons of fertilizer down and burnt up my grass.  He apologized for his actions and I said I forgive you and I thought all was well.  Until today … he asked where my puppy dog is?  I said he’s inside resting in his playpen … he had to have emergency surgery and tomorrow he gets his staples removed.  His response … “well the Bible must be true … there is no rest for the wicked and starts cackle laughing” while he starts up his riding lawn mower and takes off.  I was shocked with his response.  Little does he know ALL the other stuff that goes wrong in my life but I know a lot of it is demonic inspired.  Goes to show you don’t know what people are thinking even though outwardly they might wave and say hi. I’ve never witnessed to this old man but I felt compelled to do so to his boss (who was not in this conversation – out cutting the lawn elsewhere on the grounds) since he is the brother of my former neighbor.  I reckon he must have said something to him.  Yesterday I had a stressful day and today I was determined to have a better day and all was going good until THAT conversation.  Just shows you the enemy wants to get us down and will use other people to do so.  Actually I was walking my dog earlier and he must have seen the cone around his neck and wanted to know “why” and to rub it in my face.  I’m not down … just a little shocked by the hateful uncalled for comment.  Goes to show you can’t trust anyone and in the future … if we are still here … instead of answering them, I will ask them questions back like “why do you want to know?”

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      • #37085
        Tammie
        Participant

        The wicked are bolder for sure! Aren’t you glad heaven will be full of us forgiven sinners and earth will retain the righteous evils … poor blind leaders of the blind! Glad little pooch is getting along just fine under you care! Keep listening, hold your head high, you are a Kings daughter! :yahoo: :prayer-hands:

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      • #37113
        Yohanan
        Moderator

        Geri, the best way to get back at this guy is to love him and witness to him. At best, he will get saved. At worst, you will irritate him with the Gospel. Don’t let the curmudgeons steal your joy! I know from past experience when I’ve said something mean to someone and they responded with grace and kindness that I just couldn’t have felt worse for what I said. I’d make a fool of myself stumbling over my words trying to make right. Even if he doesn’t respond like that he will have it burning in his heart. And you will get the blessing of presenting a Jesus witness to him.

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    • #37073
      Blue
      Participant

      Sorry that happened to you.  They won’t be laughing at us for much longer!

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    • #37074
      Blue
      Participant

      Here is another bit of info on FOT. Says that the gates are opened when the trumpets are blown.  So I wonder if they blow the trumpet, then the gates are opened, then we hear His voice.

      The Feast of Trumpets is the Day of the Opening of the Gates!

      -Fair Use-

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      • #37076
        Geri7
        Participant

        Nice find! :good:   Just more confirmation for us we are in the timeframe and/or season.  So encouraging!   :popcorn :popcorn

        The article states the gates remain open until Yom Kippur … hmmm so does that mean we have until Yom Kippur as high watch time? :unsure:

        “The opening days of Tishrei are known as “The Days of Awe” or “The Awesome Days.” Going from the Feast of Trumpets (Yom Teruah) to the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur); there are ten days.”

         

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    • #37075
      Kent
      Participant

      Geri, that comment by the lawn man was extremely rude. Sometimes people surprise you so much that you can’t think of an immediate reply. An indignant “EXCUSE ME?!” will work when you are left speechless. I’d steer clear of that guy.

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    • #37077
      Kent
      Participant

      As far as feeling it, it seems that we should be up and away by now. Things that were anathema when I was young, such as killing babies, gay marriage, socialism/communism, are now part of the democrats’ platform. It’s hard to take. So I want and need to go elsewhere. Only place I see is up!  Keep the faith and keep praying. If we are upset, think how upset He must be.

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    • #37079
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Wonder what time exactly the last trump will blow tommorow in Israel?!

      Then we’ll go!

      TR

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    • #37080
      Kent
      Participant

      Thanks Blue. That info about FOT was very interesting and encouraging

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    • #37081
      Kent
      Participant

      Tenderreed, I looked and couldn’t find the time. Maybe it’s right before sunset?

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    • #37082
      Amy
      Participant

      For the past week I have been getting so convicted by the Holy Spirit and experiencing this overflowing of grace. I have been in tears daily and trying to right my wrongs through God’s amazing grace. I sure hope we fly soon!! Cant wait to meet you all!

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      • #37087
        Tammie
        Participant

        Amy that’s a going trend among the children of God! Hang in there, you got this, the blood covers it ALL, once for all! :prayer-hands: :yahoo:

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    • #37083
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Kent, 3pm ring a bell?!  The last trump of the last trump!  Should be on someone’s itinerary?!

      TR

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    • #37086
      Kent
      Participant

      I don’t have a bell, but I can play the shofar recording. Thanks. Paul said we are taken up at the Last Trump. 🙏🙌🏻

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    • #37088
      Lee Giblin
      Participant

      Ok , i’ve been pondering the day and time for awhile.   My thought is Sat evening the sun goes down in Jerusalem at 6:39 ending the Sabbath, and the moon rises in the morning and sets at 8:18.   So there is a little gap of 1 hour and 39 min so the 2 witnesses can see the sliver of moon to proclaim the new year and blow the horn.  (With both the sun and moon setting in the west so close together it may be be had to see.)  Sunday night there is an extra half hour to see the moon.  But any day soon will be fine.  I’ve wondered about a 3,7,or 10 day boarding pass but I don’t think there will be a wait, as so many are watching.

       

       

      :flyup:

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    • #37089
      Todd Tomlinson
      Participant

      And just so interesting that Israel is going under total lockdown…. you just can’t make all this stuff up!

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      • #37090
        kmdickinson
        Participant

        Given the lockdown in Israel happening at such a pivotal moment, I wonder if Isaiah 26:20-21 is relevant to this?

        20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

        21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

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    • #37092
      Kent
      Participant

      The “evidence” keeps piling up. This is exciting!

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    • #37093
      DonnaDonna
      Moderator

      Don’t know if any of you read Robert Ackerman’s take on how close the rapture is , , interesting for sure ~ ~

      “The way it might go down with this new Abraham Accord peace treaty between Israel and its Arab neighbors with a few more interested in doing the same could be in the following.

      The Rapture could occur before the Presidential election and take Trump and Pence, very likely Christians, with it.

      With the Restrainer out of the way, then the Antichrist could CONFIRM the agreement with many after the conclusion of the Ezekiel 38 War.

      One impetus for this colossal war will be United States military being decimated by the Rapture making for a severe shortage of personnel and giving the go-ahead for the attack.

      It looks like the momentum of the election is with Trump but the Rapture could clear the way for the Great Tribulation. I am not a prophet but just a Watchman on the wall. We will see. Let’s hope the Rapture is soon.

       

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    • #37096
      Vicki
      Participant

      <p style=”text-align: center;”>Who is Robert Ackerman?</p>

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      • #37106
        Geri7
        Participant

        He is a watcher over on the RITA facebook side.  Here is his post

         

        All I know is …  it looks like its going to get ugly if we are still here in November … according to Geoffrey Grider …

        – Fair Use –

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    • #37097
      TheWay
      Participant

      I am definitely feeling it! I can’t recall there being so many checks at once: peace and safety, peace agreement, lawlessness, fires, riots, spiritual deception, the super inflated love of self, the fact that so many christians are oblivious or unreceptive to the evidence of our soon depature, etc.

      I find it almost impossible to talk to fellow believers about the rapture. There is no real interest in the subject, or it is too subjective or divisive, or it will all pan out. It basically isn’t that important or real for many believers.

      I find that I can’t think of future plans at all as the prophetic is coming to a head. I am concerned that if the rapture doesn’t happen by next spring (May 14th), I will truly be baffled. On the other hand, if the rapture happens in the next few days, I imagine a whole lot of unsuspecting believers will be baffled. One thing has changed over my last decade of watching: we (watchers) see the day approaching with greater clarity and conviction. :flyup:

       

       

       

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    • #37098
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Ditto Sis!

      TR

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    • #37107
      tenderreed
      Participant

      What’s the mood @ Ritan Facebook?!

      Captured for the Rapture! September to remember!

      Let it be!

      Hope to busy hugging the saints soon!

      Jesus first!

      TR

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    • #37108
      tenderreed
      Participant

      How many hours till the end of RH!?

      TR

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    • #37110
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Before Sabbath!

      Pray your flight be not in winter or on a Sabbath!

      TR

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      • #37115
        Tammie
        Participant

        I’m praying certainly by Sunday, after Sabbath—- yes! We certainly got us a great family here, I’m not on FB (just no time to listen to chatter & have not found it a productive value for my time), so can’t speak to that platform, but love this one, informative, Knowledgeable,  compassionate, loving, group of born again, blood bought, believers, with the same focus, watch, pray, believe, look up, expect and encourage! What a great eternity we will all have, praying it begins soon :prayer-hands: :prayer-hands:

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    • #37112
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      TR, the mood on the FB Ritan is all over the place. There is a large population over there and some are sensitive to the Holy Spirit while others are rather carnal. This group feels more like family to me.

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    • #37118
      tenderreed
      Participant

      I agree Johanan!  Informal, personal and real with no personal agenda’s!

      That’s the way Christ was!

      TR

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    • #37121
      Todd Tomlinson
      Participant

      Its 6:49pm in Tel Aviv and sunset today was at 6:43pm on Sept 18th.    Lets get ready to raaaaaaapppppppttuuuuurrrrreeeee!

       

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    • #37122
      kmdickinson
      Participant

      Yep, it’s here!

      https://torahcalendar.com/HOUR.asp

      I’ll  be more interested in whether or not it was visually sighted.

      http://whenisthenewmoon.com/

       

       

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    • #37125
      Lee Giblin
      Participant

      The moon sets in 45 min, I hope they see it!

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    • #37126
      tenderreed
      Participant

      I’ll leave the light on for you!  Tee,hee,hee

      TR

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      • #37128
        TheWay
        Participant

        I seem to recall that if the sliver of moon is sighted on a Shabbat that the shofars are blown the next day.

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    • #37129
      Lee Giblin
      Participant

      From the link above:http://whenisthenewmoon.com/  Thanks km!

      New Moon Sighted In Israel – Happy Feast Of Trumpets!!!
      Shalom Y’all!

      The New Moon was sighted this evening, Friday, September 18th, 2020 by many observers who were looking this evening…

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    • #37135
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Slight wait at the gate (Jesus), as we verify passenger list and seating for flight 777 Jeshua airlines!

      Boarding will commence momentarily!

      Hope you have a glorious flight!

      Construction accommodates every seat with a view!

      With prevailing winds we will arrive at our destination on schedule!

      Please avail yourself and get acquainted with our resort area.  And enjoy the best buffet this side of Heaven!

      Awards ceremony is RSVP!  For whosoever will.

      Mocha coffee served on arrival!

      TR

       

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    • #37230
      Leaving Soon
      Participant

      I’m feeling disappointed and feeling some anxiety that we could be here for another 8 months.

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    • #37232
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Agreed!  But God has got this!

      With every day that passes, we are one day closer.  My consolation!

      Even with all the evidence, I was never really sold on RH!  The 73rd year of Israel born again as a nation still holds much weight with me!

      Yet ever hopeful it will be sooner!

      Again many models to chose from, many differing feasts, many types and shadows also!

      Still the Lord can choose on a day we think not!  Odd that this statement was made!

      To our way of thinking and calculating we are not able to definitively identify that day!  As we’ve been told!

      Again, I just wait upon a word from the Lord, should He so be inclined!

      I truly have wanted to  “feel it” many times, yet have not.  Truly there is always a date which looms before us!

      So I guess I’ll just have to trust God!  Not a bad place to be, just difficult!

      TR

       

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    • #37233
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Indeed we must however keep watching and looking!

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    • #37236
      tenderreed
      Participant

      The most prominent of high watch days has yielded nothing, let alone no guaruntees!

      Perhaps we should try to find the least likely of days!

      May our hearts stay centered on Him!

      Many simply don’t have the luxury of studying of days do to their life circumstances!

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    • #37239
      Kent
      Participant

      He has us, and we have Him. We  can enjoy Him now through prayer, scriptures, and fellowship. That is the main thing. Walk with Him, and either by death or Rapture we will eventually be with Him.

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    • #37240
      Kent
      Participant

      Hang in there troops!

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    • #37241
      Kent
      Participant

      In the meantime let’s enjoy each other’s company and keep looking up. We are good and faithful servants.

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    • #37242
      Tammie
      Participant

      Just to give you a bit of encouragement, we are still in the season, closer than yesterday … according to Ken Johnson the fall equinox is not until this coming Tuesday per the corrected calendar, which means we are still in the window until at least October 15, 2020 or a bit longer … God is so exciting to know and He is often known as the God of the last minute :yahoo: :prayer-hands:

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    • #37243
      Kent
      Participant

      One more thing (Columbo), I believe we were called by Him to the difficult but rewarding task of being watchmen.  Let’s fight disappointment and enjoy the journey. We are special. Hope I don’t sound too sappy.

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    • #37245
      Tammie
      Participant

      Kent — it just can’t get anymore exciting and suspenseful! My soul is just bursting with knowing that soon we will be in the presence of the Lord. :yahoo: :prayer-hands:

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    • #37246
      Geri7
      Participant

      Yeah … I’m VERY disappointed … all the convergence signs were here … it seemed like the ideal time to fly away. Obviously not.  (Sad trombone sound) Wah wah wah waaahh

      We even heard the famous “peace and safety/security” speech last week but I reckon that wasn’t it … must hear lots more … (Sad trombone sound) Wah wah wah waaahhh

      I know now we aren’t leaving until the very last second before the sudden destruction. (Sad trombone sound) Wah wah wah waaahhh

      I just hope now we are leaving BEFORE the roll out of the vaxx … I dread the thought of being taken from my home and put in a “camp” to be tortured and die. (Sad trombone sound) Wah wah wah waaahhh

      I read it “might” be 2 more months before the rest of the Arab nations are on board.  They are waiting for the Saudi leader to die, then the prince will be in agreement with Trump’s Abrahamic Accords and the rest of the Arab nations will quickly join in.   That would make it around November … but with the other crazy junk happening with the protests and chaos IF Trump wins  I was hoping to be long gone from this crazy world. (Sad trombone sound) Wah wah wah waaahhh

      Sorry to be a Debbie Downer tonight  :-(  I’m afraid to weigh myself with the amount of chocolate I ate this weekend. B-)  (Sad trombone sound) Wah wah wah waaahhh.

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    • #37248
      Kent
      Participant

      I think the Rapture is very soon. I don’t think Jesus wants His Bride vaccinated with that nasty vaccine. And what is the probability of all of these MANY events converging?!  I still think we are being reasonable in hoping for a 2020 departure.

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    • #37263
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      I know now we aren’t leaving until the very last second before the sudden destruction.

      Actually, we will have been gone at least three and a half years before “sudden destruction”. That occurs midway through the Trib when Israel signs the “death accord” with the AC.

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      • #37267
        Geri7
        Participant

        I agree there have been a few temporary peace deals with Israel that fizzled out.  But the “peace and safety” I was referring to is in I Thess 5 … not sure if the sudden destruction is the rapture event … or we are raptured while they are saying those words and the sudden destruction is the G/M war and God’s wrath is the sudden destruction?   Then doesn’t the AC show up and makes stronger the deal that Trump has put on the table to include the go ahead for the Temple construction?  The temple can be build fairly quickly … I think its like 6 months or less?  By mid point the AC will then break the covenant and defile the Temple so there hast to be a Temple built earlier and yes there will be sudden destruction then as well and many Jews flee to Petra.

        I’m confused … are you saying this passage below about sudden destruction refers to the AC going into the temple mid point and the Jews fleeing to Petra or is this referring to a peace deal earlier before the rapture? :scratch:

        I Thess 5

        For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

        For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

        But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

        Ye  are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

        Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

        For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

        But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

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    • #37264
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      “Peace and Safety” have been tag words now for at least a decade or more. Just because they are saying it today doesn’t mean sudden destruction will follow. Just like the coming vaccine is not the Mark of the Beast (you have to have a Beast before you can have the Mark of the….) neither is sudden destruction going to follow until the Beast is the one with the covenant for Israel to sign and no matter what anyone may say about Pres. Trump, he is not the AC. There have been at least two other peace deals made in the Middle East. One hosted by Jimmy Carter, the other by Bill Clinton. Having a peace deal does not equate to the covenant signed with the AC, though, some of these men seem to be in league with him.

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    • #37270
      Tammie
      Participant

      Yohanan is so very right —- Satan uses the “similar“ to try to confound and confuse …. If you become discouraged, depressed, and sad because we are currently still here, in spite of the “signs” —- he achieved his purpose! Jesus said in 1 John 2:18 “Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour.”

      We need to remember our peace and joy! We will see the Father, sooner than later, we are the terminal generation—- keep the lamp burning bright with God’s holy light! :prayer-hands:

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    • #37271
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      I’m confused … are you saying this passage below about sudden destruction refers to the AC going into the temple mid point and the Jews fleeing to Petra or is this referring to a peace deal earlier before the rapture? 

      Well, neither. Let me explain. A peace deal will be signed with the AC, but this will not happen until after the Rapture and after the Battle of Ezekiel 38; the deal that causes “sudden destruction”. This is not the Deal put forth by Pres Trump. It could evolve into that or it could be an entirely different deal. I tend to think it’s an entirely different deal because the current one favors Israel. There is no dividing of Jerusalem in Trump’s deal nor is there a real two state solution because there is no way the Palestinians will do what they need to do. That it’s a different “deal” is just my theory. But it’s the suddenness of the destruction that I’m referring to. In modern English “sudden” and “instantaneous” are interchangeable.  The Greek for sudden in the verse is αἰφνίδιος, which also translates to “unaware”. The destruction will not come instantaneously with the signing of the deal.  But once the temple has been desecrated it will indeed be quite sudden as stated in Mat 24:15-23

      15 “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18 and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.

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    • #37272
      Geri7
      Participant

      :groan  Another scenario … very interesting one too. B-)

      It doesn’t help that J.D. often quotes that passage … when they say “peace and safety” we go up as destruction occurs.  Then you have J.D. claiming the Trump’s Abrahamic Accords is a 2 state deal … but Amir saying its not because the Palestinians are not accepting it … so its all in Israel’s favor right now.

      But I can see your scenario happening with the AC either modifying this deal or coming up with his own for the 2 state division.

      So to sum this up … we really don’t have to wait for “the many” to get on board to hear “peace and security”?  Rapture can still technically happen at any time?   B-)

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    • #37273
      Geri7
      Participant

      Just wondering should we be gauging the timing of the rapture with when the vaxx gets roll out vs. any peace agreement updates? :unsure:

       

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    • #37274
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      Rapture can still technically happen at any time? 

      Absolutely! There are no events that need to occur before the Rapture. It could happen any day and is not necessarily tied to any Jewish feast day, though it could be. No one knows that. It is speculation. I have always been a firm believer that if it did occur on a Jewish feast day that it would be FOT, but I’ve never subscribed to the idea that it has to be on a feast day given that we are not Israel.

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      • #37277
        Geri7
        Participant

        Well I hope it doesn’t fall on FOT because who wants to wait another year?  Unless … we are using the wrong dates for FOT?  Perhaps the Lord is using a different calendar and FOT is on the horizon still? :unsure:

        But I’m liking the Yom Kippur Jubilee theory … 7 days from now … :mail:

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      • #37282
        Tammie
        Participant

        Tabernacles and the fall equinox and the full moon and oh, so many other things are still in the game and up for grabs! 2020 is not over yet! :prayer-hands: 2 Peter 3:9 “The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.” —- obviously, still work, watching, praying, witnessing still to be done! :prayer-hands:

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    • #37276
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      Just wondering should we be gauging the timing of the rapture with when the vaxx gets roll out vs. any peace agreement updates? 

      Personally, I wouldn’t tie it to either. The peace agreement that brings about the destruction of Israel will not occur while we are here and the vaxx is not the Mark of the Beast so both events that you have mentioned could happen while the Church is still here. i hope not, but there is nothing in Scripture that suggests either way. Neither are in prophecy, though both certainly foreshadow what is to come. Think of it more as a dress rehearsal.

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      • #37283
        Geri7
        Participant

        Even though this Vaxx is not technically the mark of the beast just yet, I still wouldn’t want to freely get it … I think its still harmful junk inside it. So I’m hoping the church is gone before they plan to roll it out.

        What is alarming is the Fox article update where Trump says he is using his military to give the shots out … are they going from door to door?  Is this why they were insisting we complete the 2020 Census?  This kind of reminds me of the Nazi’s going from door to door rounding up the Jews.  History repeating itself?  Will they mark our homes or give us something to wear to say we refused the vaxx?  Just rather be gone for the dress rehearsal B-)

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    • #37278
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      It doesn’t help that J.D. often quotes that passage … when they say “peace and safety” we go up as destruction occurs.  Then you have J.D. claiming the Trump’s Abrahamic Accords is a 2 state deal … but Amir saying its not because the Palestinians are not accepting it … so its all in Israel’s favor right now.

      I seldom disagree with JD. He is quite the scholar. But in this case I do not agree with his comment. Jack Hibbs and Amir both really explain the Trump peace deal in better detail and have, in my opinion, a better understanding of what it says and why it says what it says.

      I think he it taking the word “sudden” to mean instantaneous, which I do not believe it will be. That would mean the ink on the parchment isn’t even dry yet. I think “unaware” is the better translation and makes more sense.

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    • #37279
      Tammie
      Participant

      Geri,

      If indeed this Vaxx, as everyone is calling it, rolls out, as believers, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit  —- Ephesians 1:13 “In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,” — what that means in basic terms, is we have already received “our mark” —- we are in Christ. Therefore, it doesn’t really matter if we get this vaxx or not (I personally believe we will be gone), because we are sealed by the Holy Spirit, we have a level of protection. Satan can’t alter (DNA/RNA) that God has marked already! 1 John 3:2 “Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.”
      The change that will occur to <u>nonbelievers</u> as a result of the mark of the beast, is because they are giving an allegiance (giving their heart and soul) to the beast —- FYI, the beast WILL NOT be revealed until we (the bride) are out of here —- and that is at ANYTIME! :yahoo: :prayer-hands:

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    • #37281
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      Well I hope it doesn’t fall on FOT because who wants to wait another year?  

      The reason I don’t get down (anymore) when we miss a High Watch Date is because I believe it could happen any day and doesn’t need to be tied to a feast date. I know there are many, many, excellent studies on feast date raptures and many are very compelling, but we do not know that it will be on a feast date. That is a base line supposition for these theories, but that is all they are…theories. I still vote for Wednesday afternoon! ;)

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      • #37284
        Tammie
        Participant

        I agree, Wednesday’s are the top choice for Galilean weddings …. :yahoo: but hey, I’ll take a Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday as well … :wacko: B-)

        Did you know that per Ken Johnson and the latest discoveries from the Essenes and the newer digs, we are approximately 1 week off on the correct calendar? Hey, who knew! Oh wait for it, didn’t God say in Ecclesiastes 3:11 “He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also, he has put eternity into man’s heart, yet so that he cannot find out <u><b>what God has done from the beginning to the end</b></u>.”

        What a great day to fly away :prayer-hands:

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    • #37285
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      he has put eternity into man’s heart

      Yet man labor’s diligently to build his empire here. Seems like such a waste when it will all be gone. It will all go to someone else who did not earn it or to the ravages of decay. Truly, if we understood eternity, how much more we would strive to build there.

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    • #37286
      Geri7
      Participant

      Yep, its all going to burn up.  This would really rattle the unsaved if they knew this verse since they are trying to save the planet and would rather sell their soul just for a few more years of fame or wealth vs. accepting Jesus for eternal life and all that heaven hast to offer.

      II Peter 3:10

      But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

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    • #37289
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      That’s right! All these “things” we hold so dear will be burned up. And yet man puts so much undue affection in them. There’s nothing wrong with things, its how much of a place they hold in our hearts that can get us unbalanced. God has blessed many with material goods, but they should always remain in their proper place…..the burn bucket! Lol :mdrmdr: :mdrmdr:

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    • #37291
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      Okay, I’m getting a little silly now. :wacko:

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      • #37294
        Geri7
        Participant

        No, not silly … “burn buckets” are metal incinerator barrels up here – we used to have one … my dad would burn anything he could.  Went too far though with placing plastic stuff (like disposable razors) inside them.  Woa, the smoke fumes quickly became toxic. :wacko:

        I can’t believe its 96 posts and nobody talked about food, not once … so I think its time to continue the trend.  Sorry Arthur.   Well …I’m down to just 3 fun size York peppermint patties … I believe in miracles but I seriously doubt they will keep me awake for the 7 day watch of the “Jubilee Yom Kippur” theory … B-)   Gotta go to the store for more chocolate …

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      • #37296
        Tammie
        Participant

        And to think, we will be walking on and living in, what people value most here, up there is simple construction material :mdrmdr: :mdrmdr:

        I can’t decide if I want a mostly purple Amethyst or sprinkled with diamonds (to tone it down) or just go with a multi jeweled room in the Fathers house! I love ruby red and blue sapphire as well, my birth stone is blazing yellow topaz. Decisions :mdrmdr:

        You need to make a chocolate run. I made corn bread for dinner tonight with Almond butter on top.
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        Sorry picture did not come thru – it’s lovely though

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      • #37299
        Geri7
        Participant

        I say go with the purple and diamonds! :good:   My bedroom walls are purple. After 3 years, I’m still not tired of the color … my brother says the color is LOUD  and surprised I haven’t changed the color yet. Hey, he is a guy so what does he know? B-)

        Oh that corn bread sounds delicious … we are experiencing colder weather up here and I could go for some warm comfort foods out of the hot oven right now.  As well chocolate. B-)

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      • #37300
        Tammie
        Participant

        Love it! Maybe throw a few blue sapphires in the walls here and there, got it! You should have been a designer..

        hey, I couldn’t get the Cornbread picture to show?  :scratch:

         

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    • #37301
      Geri7
      Participant

      Thanks.  For some reason retrieving and posting pics are taking longer … I thought it was just on my connection …

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    • #37310
      Kent
      Participant

      That’s what happened to me. And you all gave me a thumbs up for an empty box! :mdrmdr:  Makes me feel secure

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      • #37319
        Geri7
        Participant

        We reward for effort! :mdrmdr:

        Personally the first thing I thought of when I saw the empty box post was the rapture must be happening in real time for Kent and he doesn’t have time to write or paste a picture … just enough time to press the submit button. :mdrmdr:

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