April 28, 2019 at 5:10 pm #4221
I can’t believe how many Christians think we are going to be happy spirits floating around in heaven when we die. They don’t know that we will be resurected again, have youthful bodies and live on this earth, worship God, fellowship with each other and have things restored to the way it used to be.
I just told a Christian that we will have resurrected bodies, we might be around Jesus’s age and live on the new earth. He asked me: Is this in the Bible? I said yes. (and that is coming from a guy who does read the Bible)
When I notice that this is news to so many people, it makes me wonder if we are wrong.
That this world is not all there is keeps me sane.
can you please point to scripture about these things. I don’t want to start wondering and lose hope.
thank you so much.
April 28, 2019 at 5:57 pm #4223tenderreedParticipant
Get a bible app and google resurrection and resurrected bodies. I Thessalonians tells us that we shall be changed in the twinkling of an eye. When our mortal bodies will be given immortal ones. The O. T. also informs us that no man (in the flesh) can see God the Father and live. His glory is just too great. No one knows what age we shall be. That we will all be around 30 yrs old is a speculation and a myth.
April 28, 2019 at 6:07 pm #4225
April 28, 2019 at 7:08 pm #4227
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
I Cor 15:17-23
And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
I Cor 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
As far as what age we will be in heaven … I personally am leaning towards we will be 20 or 21 years old. Reason #1 is I asked the Lord if my mom saw her memorial service and if so, if He could show me. I had a vision/dream of her looking down from the clouds at the service and she looked exactly like a picture in her wedding album … at the age of 21. She also looked that way at 20 as well.
(Note: I know others lean towards we might look like 33 … I guess we just need to wait and see. )
Reason #2 is the Lord considers the age of accountability 20 and above. Age of 19 and below is still considered innocent. Check out these verses …
Every one that passeth among them that are numbered, from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering unto the LORD.
Your bodies will fall in this wilderness—all who were numbered in the census, everyone twenty years of age or older—because you have grumbled against Me.
April 28, 2019 at 7:20 pm #4228
Here is another passage you can share with your friend …
For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
April 28, 2019 at 9:44 pm #4233Watchman35Participant
We are due for a serious body upgrade…
1 Cor 15:50-58
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”
55 “O Death, where is your sting? O Hades, where is your victory?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.
This is very good news!!!
April 29, 2019 at 10:46 am #4243tenderreedParticipant
April 29, 2019 at 12:49 pm #4244
25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:
27 Whom I shall see for myself, and mine eyes shall behold, and not another; though my reins be consumed within me. Job 19:25-27
This is a resurrection verse from the Old Testament.
28Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice 29and come out—those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment. John 5:28-29
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2
So what was Jesus like in His resurrection?
37 They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. 38 He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? 39 Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”
40 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and feet. 41 And while they still did not believe it because of joy and amazement, he asked them, “Do you have anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate it in their presence. Luke 24:37-43
Flesh, bones, able to eat.
42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. 43It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.
1 Corinthians 15:44
No mention of apparent age is given, only that we will be in a physical body that is powerful. I understand that to mean, at a minimum, we won’t look like 90-year-olds.
2I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying: “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will live with them. They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. 4He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the former things have passed away.” Revelation 21:2-4
God brings His city down to earth, which we will inhabit.
April 29, 2019 at 6:01 pm #4249
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April 30, 2019 at 8:28 am #4266
here is part of an email that I got from a relative after quoting most of the scripture here
“If the bible says so. But then again: I hope they had a good translation of the Greek version!
What does that mean for now, for people who donate organs or for those who choose cremation?”
all I can say for now is : do you think He who created the universe will not be able to ressurect someone who has been cremated? Will he get confused not knowing how to deal with the issue of organ donation?
However, I would still like your thoughts.
April 30, 2019 at 8:56 am #4267
Ah Lord God! Behold, You have made the heavens and the earth by Your great power and by Your outstretched arm! There is nothing too difficult or too wonderful for You.
“Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh; is there anything too difficult for Me?”
Since we know the graves will be open … to me this means the bones will rise up including those who were cremated. They are going to come back to life and fuse together with the same DNA we were born with … however it won’t be corrupt DNA. I’m talking about DNA in the sense of what we look like – same hair color, eye color, our height that we were originally born with. I’m not sure about if our skin will be the same because the unsaved will sadly be getting a body that can burn but won’t be consumed. I’m assuming our bodies will be able to fly and perhaps go through walls? I don’t think we will have blood flowing through our veins … I think it might just be water. That is why I still ponder about all the organs … I think we still need them – heart, liver, etc. this is why I’m not a donor.
If Moses is one of the 2 witnesses, which I believe he will be … this verse shows his body is needed …
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Randy Alcorn said this
In heaven we will have the same flesh bodies. But we will be without sin. 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 gives us four things about us that will be different: (1) we will be incorruptible—that is, we won’t ever again be sick or die; (2) we will no longer suffer shame, because we won’t sin; (3) we will have strong powerful bodies, bodies that will not be overcome by disease or fatigue; and (4) we will no longer have a natural body; we will have a spiritual body. This does not mean that our bodies will be pure spirit. But it does mean that they will not be quite the same as they are now; they will not be subject to natural laws.
So I would say that our bodies will look the same. And basically, I think they will be the same; but they will be upgraded to last for eternity.
And we won’t be limited by natural laws. We don’t know exactly what we will be able to do, but our bodies will be like the resurrected body of Jesus. Think of what He did after He was resurrected. He ate food, yet He was able to walk through walls—and fly (remember? He ascended up into the clouds). I’m sure we won’t have the same powers as He has; but one thing is certain: we won’t have the same limits as we do now.
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April 30, 2019 at 1:10 pm #4269
Heidi wrote: [quote]
here is part of an email that I got from a relative after quoting most of the scripture here“If the bible says so. But then again: I hope they had a good translation of the Greek version! [unquote]
Certainly, there are some passages which present problems with translations. Mostly these do not fundamentally change the meaning of the text, dealing with verb tenses, or subtle points. That there will be a physical resurrection, and a transformation of the heavens and the earth is not a disputed matter.
Sanhedrin 90b and 91b provide an example of this formula. When Rabbi Gamliel was asked how he knew God would resurrect the dead he replied:
“From the Torah: for it is written: ‘And the Lord said to Moses, Behold you shall sleep with your fathers; and this people will rise up’ [Deuteronomy 31:16]. From the Prophets: as it is written: ‘Your dead men shall live, together with my dead bodies shall they arise. Awake and sing, you that dwell in the dust; for your dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out its dead.’ [Isaiah 26:19]; from the Writings: as it is written, ‘And the roof of your mouth, like the best wine of my beloved, like the best wine, that goes down sweetly, causing the lips of those who are asleep to speak’ [Song of Songs 7:9].” (Sanhedrin 90b)
Rabbi Meir also answered this question in Sanhedrin 91b, saying: “As it is said: ‘Then will Moses and the children of Israel sing this song unto the Lord’ [Exodus 15:1]. It is not said ‘sang’ but ‘will sing’; hence the Resurrection is deducible from the Torah.”
The idea of a disembodied existence of the spirit is a Greek concept, not a Hebrew one. It goes back to the notion in Greek philosophy that the material world is inherently evil. That is not what God says, for in Genesis He pronounced what He had created as “good.”
[quote]What does that mean for now, for people who donate organs or for those who choose cremation?”[/quote]
God does not require the original atoms to recreate someone’s body, nor does He need to grab someone’s donated kidney and put it back in a resurrected person.
But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Matthew 10:30
If God can number the hairs of our head, He also is perfectly capable of putting those hair follicles back on someone He raises from the dead.
Heidi, you answered him well.
God is not limited by time or space. He is just as aware of how we were put together thousands of years after we become dust as He was when our bodies were conceived in the womb. In a simple analogy, I can print a document off my computer that I saved to memory years after the original paper was destroyed.
When Jesus turned water into wine, there was also an implied history. Wine has a complex chemistry, and the taste is produced by the grapes it came from. The point is that God has no limits and His attention to detail is perfect.
April 30, 2019 at 2:13 pm #4271
I don’t want to derail this thread but I’m curious about the miracle wine Jesus performed at the Cana Wedding. He was able to change the molecular composition of the water into wine and the governor at the feast certainly noticed the difference by saying the owner kept the “good wine” until now. Does that mean this was fine wine that wasn’t fermented and people couldn’t get drunk on … or do you think it tasted more like non-alcoholic grape juice “fruit of the vine”?
April 30, 2019 at 2:45 pm #4273
I think this is a good article, addressing the issue. That the wine was praised as being better than what was previously served indicates it wasn’t grape juice.
April 30, 2019 at 4:27 pm #4277
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