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    • #11693
      Whit
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      Bon Soir!

      Greetings from Spain!

      Interested in your thoughts……all of this Coronavirus hysteria, quarantine, etc ………what does your spirit say?  Is this the real deal and the world crashing event the pundits claim it to be, or is this a lot of hullabaloo about nothing?   After all, we had bird flu-s, Sars, H1N1, etc and they went no where.

      My spirit feels the latter, but i wonder about the former.  I am military in Spain and we have all but shut down due to Secretary of Defense guidelines.

      I am looking up more now as we are at the very door  but what are you guys feeling? Could this be it or no?

      THanks!

      Whit

       

       

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    • #11695
      tenderreed
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      Hard to say.  God is still on the throne.  Pestilence is only one of His tools.  But any international crisis will force more people to accepting a one world government!

      TR

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    • #11697
      BeckyE
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      I’d like to say yes it is! But is it another step in the ladder of total government control? Will this calm down in a month, only to surge again stronger and fiercer? Forced vaccinations. Forced implanted chips. Forced church shutdown for “public health.” Forced digital currency. It could be it! The birth pangs are resulting in delivery! But having had 4 children who took their time to come into the world, I wait with patient expectation. We know this: there is a time to be born. No baby stays in the womb forever. Whether the baby is ready or not, the pains are productively leading us to the day when we see our Savior face to face. May it be today! 💜

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      • #11700
        Whit
        Participant

        I agree with you completely………but there is just too much conflicting information…….is it a bad cold/flu or is it the 1918 Spanish flu all over again (where the world came to a halt with mass death)?

        To me it just feels like much ado about nothing, but it is making me much more excited that it could be something much more.

         

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    • #11698
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Well said.  And we can certainly say that the world prophetically is in it’s third tri-mester.

      TR

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    • #11702
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      Given the way the media is handling it my gut says it’s not as bad as it is being reported. With that said, it may be too early to tell. What I find interesting is the ridiculous knee jerk reactions I see and hear about. One of the most ludicrous being people who won’t drink Corona beer. Not because it’s alcohol but because of the name. It reminds me of the people in this country who showed their support for the ban on French imports by not eating French fries. :wacko:

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      • #11703
        Whit
        Participant

        But I did hear that the word Corona means “crown” :yahoo:

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    • #11704
      tenderreed
      Participant

      As I’ve said in the past.  God can heal all manner of sickness, illness, disease and even death!  But He won’t heal, stupid!

      Sadly, we humans are a goofy lot to be sure.  That said, I am amazed to see the basic level of intelligence for the average and uneducated person to rival that of a sack full of rocks.  But what in God’s name does He see in us?!

      And for those that are educated many still refuse to be schooled!  Go figure.

      TR

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    • #11707
      2ndcoming
      Participant

      I still believe in my own conspiracy theory. This coronavirus is a bio warfare raged against some countries. But it is out of control now. I also believe vaccine has been made available, and is waiting for release soon. Jesus describes people are eating, drinking, marrying and giving in marriage prior to rapture. Right now fear has gripped everyone, stock market crash. Many countries have declared state of emergency. It ain’t business as usual described by Jesus. So a “quick discovery” of vaccine shall solve this virus crisis and life shall go back to normal in many countries. Then bang, booms, rapture !! Hope I am right.

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    • #11708
      David W. Roche
      Moderator

      We’ve all been played so many times over the years.  As you say, it’s hard to know what to believe any more about the news.  I don’t think it’s all been made up, and still there are so many conflicting reports being put out there that the actual level of threat is difficult to determine.  It is even more of a challenge to get to the truth these days, as opposed to previous outbreaks, as the virus is being used by dishonest people to further outside agendas.

      I tend to lean toward the view that it’s being hyped and the panic is unwarranted.  That only means it hasn’t hit where I am yet.  I might feel differently if I were in the midst of it, with neighbors falling ill right and left.  I see the store shelves being emptied out; nevertheless, I can’t say with certainty what amount of precaution is justified at this stage.

      For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.  Luke 21:35

      You don’t know you’ve stepped into a snare until it’s too late.  Otherwise, you’d go in a different direction to avoid it.  I suspect this will burn out and people will breathe a sigh of relief eventually.  It will be bad news for those who are infected with it, nevertheless.  Then something else will come along to induced fear and panic.

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    • #11709
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Ditto!

      TR

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    • #11710
      Geri7
      Participant

      I’m voting this is it … the end of the church age is near! :good:

      I thought I was safe in the mountains of la la land, but nope.  We are feeling the crazy hoarding up here now.  Read a lot last night about the shut downs of schools, offices, etc. on the east coast. They might even extend the tax return date since people are bugging out.  I’m late in doing my taxes and I do them the old fashion way – paper snail trail.  So I went to the local library this morning to pick up the forms/and or print them out from the websites because I got a feeling they “might” eventually close the library, if they start closing the local schools.   Then I headed over to the grocery store.  Wow, what an eerie time it was … mobs of people and pretty much lots of aisles of empty shelves not just paper products and hand sanitizers, but 70% of can goods are now completely gone, and just handful boxes of pasta, chips, cookies, crackers, bread.  90% of frozen meals gone and no frozen vegetables or bags of French fries.  No eggs left and the hot dogs seemed to be a hot item too.  They are also running low in their bakery dept. No flour or sugar either.  And they are running low on the milk and yogurt  I wish I had my iPad with me to take pictures.   They still have plenty of fruits/veggies and condiment items/spices and cereals.  But not sure how people are going to eat cereal without milk. :scratch:    I have never seen it this bad – even the worse blizzard snow storm … the majority of the items are still available to purchase, but not today.  I finally asked a worker what’s going on … are a lot of workers on vacation?  He laughed and said no, its the coronavirus.  He went on and said because the NJ/NY schools and a lot of businesses are closed … they are up here  bugging out in Vermont in their vacation homes and stocking up not just for 1 week but for at least 4-6 weeks.  I said you are going to restock, right?  He said, if we get the shipments in. We don’t know what will be coming off the trucks so he advised me to get what I need NOW.  So I got the last package of Hebrew National brand hot dogs, the last box of oatmeal, the last package of butter …  the last 4 boxes of frozen Stouffer’s meals I like. My favorite tea wasn’t available but I notice they still are well stocked in the coffee aisle.  No temptation there.   Lots of sodas still available but they cleared out of most of the wine, beer, including the Corona brand.  The name didn’t bother them.  They ran out of Poland Spring bottled water … they have another brand still available but I never heard of it and afraid to take the chance not knowing where that water is coming from.  And there is still plenty of Easter candy.

      I then went to the other grocery store in town (much smaller place) was surprised it was relatively more calmer over there and they still had items so I picked up what I couldn’t find from the other store and stocked up.

      Its just a weird feeling today while trying to shop …

      Also one of my neighbors listed his condo for sale a few weeks ago … he removed the listing earlier this week.  He was going to move back to Boston and perhaps has 2nd thoughts since the virus outbreak.

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    • #11714
      2ndcoming
      Participant

      If things get worse, Government will order shut down on all the restaurant, bars, social gathering. Italy already did this. There is no eating, drinking in public places, marrying and giving in marriage. This is not the normalcy described by Jesus before the rapture. If rapture does happen this year, I expect the virus may go rampant for few more months, then it goes away. It may due to summer arrives, temperature heats up, the flu season is gone, or a quick discovery of vaccine. Things go back to normal. Then all of sudden rapture comes!!

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      • #11751
        Whit
        Participant

        I tend to agree Geri and that is what I am talking about .  I am on leave this week and went to the commissary on Tuesday.  I bought about two weeks worth of stuff and put it in the freezer with the goal being to shop as i normally would, but have two weeks in the freezer if we went into lockdown.  Thursday and Friday has been insane in the stores.  Loaded baskets, empty shelves, etc.  Everything is closing, churches not having worship, all gatherings cancelled, declared a CDC pandemic, presidential state of emergency, etc.

        This just seems to be so different than anything else we have experienced before, but I am reading a lot about the virus not being that bad.

        I am feeling like this is just another fire drill, but it could be more.  Like pastor JD says, when you see Christmas lights go up you know Thanksgiving is near.  If this is not “the one” it sure is a good dress rehearsal.

        I guess we wait and see :good:

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      • #11753
        Geri7
        Participant

        I got a niece who is getting married in Miami in 7 more days. Last August when she visited me with her fiancé  I joked with her and said that is the perfect time for the rapture to happen.  She replied it better not.  Bwahahaha  … I have a hunched her wedding will get postponed since her parents and the pastor and his family, along with her sister, etc. are all flying down and the thought of them being stuck in Florida during lockdown will not be pleasant.  They all despise extreme humid climate.

        I’m going to be brave and head back out to the grocery store again today … but the items I need hopefully are not hot items … need more baking soda, lemon juice and shampoo.  Oh and the pet shop … can’t forget to stock up my dog’s favorite treats.   :whistle:

        I worry more that our heating fuel will run out … we still have cold weather here.  I think it will be wise for us all to fill up our gas tanks and to have extra money or should I say “dirty” money from the ATM’s to have on hand in case the banks close.  There might be one or 2  7/11 stores still open during lock down time …

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    • #11717
      regina
      Participant

      Whit, I don’t know how to rank this virus with 1918, the information coming out has not been reliable (for example, where no testing is done, the numbers that are given do not reflect the actual rate of infection or severity)

      yesterday while waiting for a flight home in an international US airport, myself and others present in a waiting room witnessed a woman who obviously must have had mental health difficulty going chair to chair in the waiting room, wiping her hair with her hands, and then wiping each chair seat and arms of the chairs with her hands, one by one. Two airport staff watched her do this with no concern for either her safety (mental health wise, was she homeless? why was she at the airport wiping every seat in the waiting room? had she eaten? did she know her name or story?) or for any concern about spreading germs. One was a uniformed security person in the airport, the other was staff by her uniform, but I do not know her role.

      So if it is 1918 all over again, how come airport personnel are wearing gloves at the point where your ticket is scanned before boarding but no concern is show when someone walks into the waiting room and starts wiping down chairs? So it does not make sense to me. If it is 1918 again in the severity of this virus, it has not been logically explained with facts that are reliable. When 1 in 31 people approximately came down with hospital acquired infections according to CDC, how come hospitals are not cleaned better or the public warned not to go there without taking precautions? I haven’t looked up nosocomial infections in Spain or other countries, but you can count on the fact they are out there. Whatever the health ministry or disease control place is in your country, check what their numbers are for numbers who got flu or died from flu in other years, or if they publish the rate of hospital acquired infections and compare it to the number reported to have Covid19 now in your country. Compare the response.

      what does make sense is that governments are not going to let this crisis go to waste, to squeeze out of it pressure on countries they have a beef with by cutting down transportation of people and goods, more control over the population freedom of mobility and freedom of association…

      A baby gets born when mom is dilated to 10cm. we are not there yet, but the pressure is rising. What will it take for Israel to say “blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord”? It will take the 70th week of Daniel, aka the tribulation, that’s what it will take. We are not in the tribulation time yet, but this virus is one more thing that is bringing changes in how government and people interact with one another. If it is 1918 in likeness, we would be wise to take it seriously; if it is overblown for governments to grab more control, we would be wise to not be deceived.

      Pray about everything and trust Jesus. He is our savior and provider.

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    • #11720
      Arthur
      Participant

      IMHO,  this is bio warfare.  It is also a gigantic psy-op.  A trial run before the Tribulation.  As it is,  a birth pang.

      I don’t believe it is as bad as it is being hyped.  It is designed to cause fear and panic.

      Also,  it could be the cover for the roll out of 5G.  5G went online in Wuhan on October 31st,  2019. 5G is extremely bad for your health and is classified as a military weapon. Flu like symptoms are reported from 5G exposure.

      So,  they may be doing a trial run on using a virus in combination with 5G,  which greatly taxes your immune system.

      Perhaps,  they can get the grids up quickly in the most important places for them while everyone is quarantined in their homes.

      Whatever the case,  the evil people behind this (ie.  Bill Gates)  won’t win.  May they repent before it is too late.

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    • #11725
      Leaving Soon
      Participant

      Greetings Whit ! And welcome to this forum !

      I think this is very bad and about to get a lot worse here in America !!! The latest I’m hearing is that Trump is going to shut down America for at least 4 weeks within the next week or 2 possibly as soon as this Sunday in some areas. When/if that happens all hell is going to break loose here !!!

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      • #11739
        Geri7
        Participant

        Hmmm … will Trump say we are doing this for your “peace and safety”?

        Please Lord :prayer-hands:  we don’t want to experience hell on earth … please rapture us out soon!   :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup:

         

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    • #11732
      Arthur
      Participant

      Where are my manners? Yes, welcome to the forums Whit!

       

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    • #11734
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Likewise, but it’s as if you have always been here!

      TR

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    • #11752
      Whit
      Participant

      LOL  thanks.  I have been around a while and made a few posts, but I usually sit back and read.  I am one who views almost everything through the prophetic lens and sometimes it makes sense (such as Turkey in Syria or Syria heating up), but sometimes it doesn’t….like the Corona hype.  Thats why its good to get the pulse of you guys……….I am not anxious and not panicking by any means but there is a lighter spring in my step as thinking this could be it and we could soon be arriving at our final destination.

      I am so impatient.

      Thanks again!

      Whit

       

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    • #11770
      Tammie
      Participant

      Hi Witt! So my two cents, I am an advanced practice RN. With many fancy degrees behind my name. I work in administrative role with in an acute care facility with two EDs. I belong to a very large health care organization in North America. I have been in more meetings, calls, webinars on COVID19 than I care to think about. To give you a bit of back ground, it is man-made, it did originate from China (whether intention or accident – another discussion), it is 1 of 4 of the Coronavirus strand. This is Novel (new) corona 19 (2019). Three others of this family, SARS, MERS, common cold.
      it is a heavier corona (therefore, it falls once outside the host). It is destroyed with normal cleaning and HAND WASHING. It does not survive outside the host for even as long as the common cold (48-72 hrs ).
      The problem: it survives longer in the host (14 days therefore more spreading)

      The elderly, immune compromised, respiratory compromise, are the most affected, no different than any other flu.

      Those who have died of COVID19 have had other co- morbidities that contributed to their death.

      More people have died of the general flu as of today, than COVID19.

      To answer if this is from God, don’t know, but people are coming to Christ because of their fear. Is it a plague, obviously, much like the locust now covering 4 countries, like the earthquakes in diverse places. IT IS Not part of the tribulation, that will be far worse.
      We have not been given a spirit of fear, to fall back into sin, but of love and a sound (wise) mind.

      Stop the panic (no thanks to the medianites), WASH your Hands (soap and water for 20 seconds) more frequently , don’t touch your face in public, PRAY for those living in fear. If you are sick, stay home and hydrate.

      Seeing this, makes me very thankful I will be raptured. Our home going is so close, the trumpets are warming up :prayer-hands:

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      • #11793
        Whit
        Participant

        Thanks Tammie, you are my new BFF.  :good:    Yours is the most thorough, understandable, and in depth explanation that i have heard heretofore.  Thank  you.

        I guess the bottom line is no one knows what the trajectory is for this thing, but whatever it is is likely in the very early phases.  It is just too early to tell if it is a fire drill or not.

        But I do agree with Geri, this could very well be it.  If not, it is a great dress rehearsal with the final act shortly to follow.  Either way something momentous and tectonic plate shifting is happening and our world will not be the same after this (ie more government control, etc).  Feels kind of like it did on 9/12.  As I said, many things are pretty clear when it is happening prophetically, but sometimes it just takes a bit to see how the puzzle piece fits.So we wait [im] patiently and keep looking up.

        Thank you all for your thoughts and input.

        Blessings!

        Whit

        :yahoo:

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    • #11777
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Thanks Sis!

      TR

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    • #11795
      Tammie
      Participant

      Whit and TR you are welcome and blessings to all. My daughter, (Heather, she is on too) and I were talking. She mentioned something very similar to Geri’s thoughts. The service lines are very strained with certain product lines being completely out of availability (totally not made). I know for my healthcare organization, we have pulled personal protective equipment (ppp) out of the public reach for the safety of our staff (John Q public was literally running into our hospitals and medical practices and grabbing masks, sanitizer. Just craziness!

      You are correct when you stated, this is not over! Although this virus is not that bad (no worse than the regular flu), for the majority of humans, the media has filtered out SO much miss information to create a world wide panic.

      The beauty is that the human race is waking up to realize their own mortality and many are coming a saving knowledge of our Lord Jesus. As Paul says (to paraphrase) … whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is proclaimed …. what man promoted for evil, God will use for good (the spread of the gospel).
      Today is National Day of Prayer for North America, and we as watchers and totally aware of the times, should bind together to pray to the a Lord of the harvest, to send forth laborers into His harvest….reap the lost, precious Lord, that the Father will be Glorified through Christ.
      I had a great discussion with one of the epidemiologist who sat near me for one meeting with the state health department— her comments were very helpful— this virus is not even as strong as the regular flu. The only thing this virus has going for it is that it survives longer (14 days) in the host, therefore it spreads to more people. BUT, she affirmed, clean surfaces with normal cleaning products, wash hands (20 seconds), cover your cough. Many people will and already carry the corno viral bug, but may never be affected.
      If you have another health disease (diabetes, heart condition, respiratory compromise, immunodeficiency), you need to be careful. Your sustainability is greater. This is SARS-2.

      As Amir tweeted “be encouraged, the virus was made in China, it won’t last long….” loved that!

      It is time for the church to rise up and be examples, pray, seek out your neighbor who may be hurting, give food and aide to those who are without work because of voluntary quarantine. Think of the kids who are out of school now! Pray they have opportunity to step away from TV, video games and hear or read about Jesus.

      Phil 4:7 :prayer-hands: Come Lord, your servant waits!

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      • #11799
        Whit
        Participant

        Thanks……….I agree………I wonder on this virus though……maybe you have better insight.  For education sake I watched the PBS American Experience 1918 flu show online.  What made that flu so deadly was it kept changing in each host and the doughboys took a mild(er) form to Europe, but when they came home it had changed and changed some more until  it was much more powerful and like a category five hurricane.  I wonder if something like that is going to happen here.

        I am not the least bit anxious or nervous about anything.  Truthfully, i have not sung anything sadder than “zippity doo dah” for the last couple of days.  Not because people are sick, but because it has the potential to make us that much closer.  Plus my Presbyterian faith tells me that God’s got this……..God is sovereign…….and none of us go through life like tennis shoes in a dryer.  B-)

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      • #11801
        Whit
        Participant

        Another aspect is this is all in the spiritual realm.

        “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

        I have believed for quite some time that there is a battle in the spiritual realm that we cannot see.  I believe that is what happened to the president in the impeachment and I believe that is what happened to Kavanaugh.  Something a lot bigger and evil…was working which was much bigger than just the facts as they were presented.

        This just feels different.  I did not feel this way with SARS, or Bird FLu, or H1N1.  This seems to have a deeper meaning……….what that is may have to be borne out over time but it sure feels different.

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    • #11803
      tenderreed
      Participant

      In all that the Lord does, all I can do is marvel.  He never asks for my permission nor does He always explain to me His ways!  Some call this faith.  I just say that I’m not as smart as He is!

      Indeed opportunities for accepting and drawing near to the Lord can always be found.  The Lord sees to that.  All we need to do is to open the door to His every possible opportunity.

      TR

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    • #11805
      Tammie
      Participant

      Whit – a virus (any virus) by its very nature is designed to mimic the host cells. The body then will recognize it as self and not unite an attack against it. This gives the virus time to invade the rest of the body.
      You see our bodies have a wonderfully designed and amazing attack system known to clinicians as the complement protein C cascade. This amazing system is a group of “warrior” cells that begin the fight against foreign invaders. Sometimes, things go wrong in the body, the body fights against itself in disease states like lupus.
      As a holistic clinician, I could go on and on with how we have taken such a wonderful temple and destroyed it with lifestyle choices, but I won’t :cry:

      This virus is no different, because a virus by its very nature can mutate, it makes it difficult to develop any cure. We can develop a type of the RNA strand of a virus to help break down the DNA surface shell that would allow the body to initiate a reaction. Once this occurs, your body builds immunity (recognition) of the virus.  There are so many different “strands” of the common cold, therein is why we will still catch it :wacko:

      My best advice besides the previous is to boost your own fighting ability. Hydrate well, H2O is awesome, green teas are great, increasing vitamin C (be careful not to overdue this, diarrhea is never a great side affect), I personally love Braggs Apple Cider vinegar. I drink a teaspoon twice a day (keep it low as changing the bodies normal pH is dangerous), and gargle with it as needed. I use echinacea at times ( never go too long, can cause the body to turn on self). Exercise, this helps pump the blood to move the sludge. For those who have respiratory history, should do deep breathing exercise twice daily or more, same for the elderly, move unnecessary creation up and out of lungs, plus we stop using those lower lungs and they start hardening for lack of this use. I get sick very rarely, typically not in years. Lots of non, expensive stuff to do! I have never believed we should just be a band-aide society to cover up, its best to get to the reason why and fix that if possible. My opinions only.
      still praying – Lord come quickly :prayer-hands:

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    • #11821
      Watchman35
      Participant

      Seems to me, imho, at “best” this will prove to be a significant incremental step towards a one-world totalitarian government.

      On a related but different note, I agree with 2nd Coming that it does seem like the current environment defies the “as it was in the days of Noah”/business-as-usual description that the scripture speaks of before sudden destruction shows up.  That makes me wonder if this is a last attempt by the Lord to warn/wake the world up, before some sense of normalcy returns just prior to the harpazo.

      At the risk of stating the obvious, this can be a stressful time for all of us.  However, for those of us who struggle with asperger-esque tendencies that make change of routine even more difficult, this is quite disruptive.  Makes me want to scream at God, “Stop moving my cheese!”

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      • #11831
        Geri7
        Participant

        I hear ya … I don’t have asperger’s but living alone frightens me whenever things aren’t calm.  I have nobody human to talk to while these calamities unfold. I’m also frightened of snowstorms and long power outages from wind storms.  Now add on the latest calamities of food shortages and if fuel deliveries might be behind schedule … my mind wonders to “what if” these shortages eventually triggers home robberies or muggings on the streets?

        I never had this fear before when I lived with people.  Fortunately the other day when I was going into a fear attack … I looked up at the moon and saw the cross rays shining out and the Lord immediately gave me His peace and settled down my fears.

        We are told “as in the days of Noah” … well his days were filled with violence  … “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”

        We don’t know how long this crisis will last … perhaps this will be the every day norm from here on out until the rapture happens?  The problem is there are many that are hoarding waaay to many things and then trying to sell them on the internet at high prices to take advantage of people for a profit.  Fortunately they are cracking down on people like this guy …

        He Has 17,700 Bottles of Hand Sanitizer and Nowhere to Sell Them

        On March 1, the day after the first coronavirus death in the United States, brothers Matt and Noah Colvin set out in a silver SUV to pick up some hand sanitizer. Driving around Chattanooga, Tennessee, they hit a Dollar Tree, then a Walmart, a Staples and a Home Depot. At each store, they cleaned out the shelves.

        Over the next three days, Noah Colvin took a 1,300-mile road trip across Tennessee and into Kentucky, filling a U-Haul truck with thousands of bottles of hand sanitizer and thousands of packs of antibacterial wipes, mostly from “little hole-in-the-wall dollar stores in the backwoods,” his brother said. “The major metro areas were cleaned out.”

        Matt Colvin stayed home near Chattanooga, preparing for pallets of even more wipes and sanitizer he had ordered, and starting to list them on Amazon. Colvin said he had posted 300 bottles of hand sanitizer and immediately sold them all for between $8 and $70 each, multiples higher than what he had bought them for. To him, “it was crazy money.” To many others, it was profiteering from a pandemic.

        The next day, Amazon pulled his items and thousands of other listings for sanitizer, wipes and face masks. The company suspended some of the sellers behind the listings and warned many others that if they kept running up prices, they’d lose their accounts. EBay soon followed with even stricter measures, prohibiting any U.S. sales of masks or sanitizer.

        Now, while millions of people search in vain for hand sanitizer to protect themselves from the spread of the coronavirus, Colvin is sitting on 17,700 bottles of the stuff with little idea where to sell them.

        “It’s been a huge amount of whiplash,” he said. “From being in a situation where what I’ve got coming and going could potentially put my family in a really good place financially to ‘What the heck am I going to do with all of this?’”

        Colvin is one of probably thousands of sellers who have amassed stockpiles of hand sanitizer and crucial respirator masks that many hospitals are now rationing, according to interviews with eight Amazon sellers and posts in private Facebook and Telegram groups from dozens more. Amazon said it had recently removed hundreds of thousands of listings and suspended thousands of sellers’ accounts for price gouging related to the coronavirus.

        – Fair Use –

         

         

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      • #11877
        Geri7
        Participant

        Update

        The Tennessee Attorney General’s Office is getting involved to seek appropriate penalties for the unreasonable prices they were charging on sanitizer, masks and other items.  The remaining unsellable items were donated to a local church in Kentucky.

        One brother received death threats and had to leave his home after strangers showed up at night.

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      • #12393
        Leaving Soon
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      • #12412
        Tammie
        Participant

        Leaving soon – that’s not hospitals. Let me explain, 90% of hospitals contract out over 90% of labs to Lab Corp, Sun Crest, and several other large lab corps. Labs are like big pharma, they are owned by boards who jack up tests cost according to supply / demand theory. Even if you go to a hospital to have labs drawn, the bulk of those tests are typically contracted out. Look on your bill, you will see the name of the company your hospital / doctor uses. Example: Six weeks ago I went to my hospital to have annual labs done with several new ones, I used my company insurance, my labs were sent out to Sun Crest and after insurance, I had a $500 bill. Not from my hospital, the draw fee, which is minimal, was 100% covered by insurance.
        You watch, if the President had not stated the emergency order, the big pharm would be selling this “cure” for a much higher cost. Some of this drug is a simple Z Pax that typically cost $35 for a 10 day supply (I took one over seas on a mission trip, just in case).

        Just putting in perspective, truth. Critical Access hospitals (CAH), in rural America, have to contract out. Large hospitals like Mayo, Johns Hopkins May keep more internal, but typically they contract out as well.

        :mail: :thankyou :prayer-hands:

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    • #11822
      tenderreed
      Participant

      I think the something different you may be referring to has to do with the timing of it all.  I think that it is a spiritual harbinger of even worse things to come!

      TR

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    • #11825
      Tammie
      Participant

      Awe yes! We will be changed, in a moment in the twinkling of an eye….this imperfect must put on the perfect and this mortal (hallelujah) must put on immortality… yes I know a squirrel moment from this main topic, but it seemed appropriate… Watchman, get ready for the grandest change of all – with unveiled face, we will see the King of Kings and Lord of Lords! Can’t get any better than that! :yahoo: :prayer-hands: :flyup:

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    • #11867
      Geri7
      Participant

      Tomorrow, Tomorrow ”the trial” vaccine starts on the people in Seattle Washington …

      Coronavirus vaccine trial to start Monday in Seattle
      Public health officials say it will take a year to 18 months to fully validate any potential vaccine for COVID-19.
      Arutz Sheva Staff 3/16/20

      A clinical trial evaluating a vaccine designed to protect against the new coronavirus will begin Monday, a government official told The Associated Press on Sunday.

      The first participant in the trial will receive the experimental vaccine on Monday, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because the trial has not been publicly announced yet.

      The National Institutes of Health is funding the trial, which is taking place at the Kaiser Permanente Washington Health Research Institute in Seattle, the official said.

      Public health officials say it will take a year to 18 months to fully validate any potential vaccine.

      Testing will begin with 45 young, healthy volunteers with different doses of shots co-developed by NIH and Moderna Inc. There is no chance that participants could get infected from the shots, because they do not contain the virus itself.

      The goal is purely to check that the vaccines show no worrisome side effects, setting the stage for larger tests, according to AP.

      Dozens of research groups around the world are racing to create a vaccine as COVID-19 cases continue to grow. Importantly, they’re pursuing different types of vaccines — shots developed from new technologies that not only are faster to produce than traditional inoculations but might prove more potent.

      Some researchers even aim for temporary vaccines, such as shots that might guard people’s health a month or two at a time while longer-lasting protection is developed.

      Last Thursday, Medicago, a biopharmaceutical company headquartered in Quebec City, Canada, announced it had successfully produced a Virus-Like Particle (VLP) of the coronavirus.

      Production of the VLP is the first step in developing a vaccine for COVID-19 which will now undergo preclinical testing for safety and efficacy. Once this is completed, Medicago expects to discuss with the appropriate health agencies to initiate human trials of the vaccine by July or August of 2020, the company said.

      – Fair Use –

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    • #11868
      Boulder95
      Participant

      Complete over reaction I think because the G7 is soo out of control debt wise. I think they will use this virus for a global economic reset.

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    • #11875
      Arthur
      Participant

      Some more information on 5G technology and how it relates to Coronovirus.

      Pretty interesting video:

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    • #11886
      David W. Roche
      Moderator

      Great comments, everyone!  I also think that whether this situation is the prelude to the rapture or just another in a series of trials, it is making some people consider how fragile life in this world truly is, and that it only takes a little thing to disrupt our lives in a tremendous way.

      We haven’t had to face this sort of threat very often, where everything is affected suddenly.  The effects may well be long lasting, prompting societal changes, such as what happened in the wake of 911.  While I hope people don’t become sick, I also pray they will consider the brevity of this life and how they ought to put God above all.  There is nothing material you can truly count on to be around tomorrow. Sometimes it takes a thing like this to drive home to people just how temporary it all is.

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    • #11890
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Indeed David, for normal thinking people.  But for those who are so spiritually deceived, common sense and critical thinking skills simply fly out the window!

      TR

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    • #11902
      Tammie
      Participant

      Arthur – thank you for sharing such a powerful video. As a healthcare worker, I can absolutely validate that much of what Dana brings to the table in this video makes total sense, especially in the light as NO ONE can agree on why this has become such a crazy event, created unrealistic and unfounded public panic, and it’s just a simple common cold type virus.

      David – I would agree, just another stepping stone toward eternity. Trumpets are sorely needed! :prayer-hands:

       

       

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      • #11934
        Arthur
        Participant

        You are welcome, Tammie. I am glad an expert such as yourself vetted the video. I am certainly no expert. :wacko:

        It really speaks to the lateness of the hour and how increasingly desperate the evil, bloodthirsty cabal is to get things started.

         

         

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    • #11908
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Because it was the politically correct thing to do!

      TR

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    • #11914
      Tammie
      Participant

      I listened to this video twice now and boy those left after we are raptured will seriously be in deep poo! No where to hide, underground a heat signature will be there, no buying, the grid of service line down, oxygen low….Lord the lost need to accept you now, please Father reach even the unreachable by the power of your Son and for your Glory for the finished work of the Lamb. :prayer-hands: :prayer-hands:

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      • #11935
        Arthur
        Participant

        Yes, Tammie. It’s literally going to be hell on earth.

        Really scary stuff.

        Praise the Lord that we have overcome the world by the victory of Jesus Christ our Saviour. :)

         

         

         

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    • #11927
      tenderreed
      Participant

      I’m sure the Lord’s heart is already grieved for those who simply won’t receive Him and His love.  Perhaps more than we might ever know.  True His wrath shall indeed be manifest.  But I can only imagine with tear stained eyes!

      As like any reluctant and broken hearted parent who administers discipline or deals with a family member who has broken fellowship and left the family!  As I have asked before, who will collect His tears?!

      TR

       

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    • #11941
      Arthur
      Participant

      Initially I hesitated about 5G being the real deal as I thought Iran was too economically crippled and backwards to have 5G. However, they are rolling out 5G there.

      IRAN
      There are a few mobile network operators in Iran, the largest of which is Mobile Telecommunication Company of Iran (MCI). MCI currently offers “4.5G” internet, which shows that they’re on a path to providing 5G in Iran. They also signed an agreement with Nokia in 2017 to develop 5G technology in Iran.

      Iran’s second-largest provider, Irancell, provides both mobile and fixed wireless internet services. In late 2017, in collaboration with Ericsson, the two performed their first 5G test in Tehran and said that 5G will be available in Iran in 2020.

      https://www.lifewire.com/5g-availability-world-4156244

      I have heard that there will be no 5G in Israel. Maybe they are aware of the dangers of this technology?
      Considering quite a few leaders in Iran have supposedly contracted the Coronovirus, they could use this as an excuse to attack Israel. Perhaps they’ll say that 5G is a Israeli plot to destroy them?

      As mentioned in the video, many of the cruise lines have installed 5G. It was brought online in Wuhan on Oct. 31/2019. It is in Hong Kong, Italy, Seattle and South Korea.

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    • #11942
      David
      Participant

      I watched Dana’s video yesterday and found it very compelling. I first got suspicious a few weeks ago when I watched video footage of people in Wuhan China suddenly dropping dead in the streets. People seemed to be walking down the street, or picking fruit & veg from a market stall one moment and the next moment they fell over dead or passed out. I remember thinking to myself at the time that it did not seem to be consistent with flu like symptoms.

      I think that there is very probably a connection between 5G being rolled out and this “Pandemic”. Maybe the Wuhan deaths were initially 5G related and then the “powers to be” released a virus as a smokescreen. I cant know for sure, just brainstorming here, but I have also read that 5G technology can interfere with our DNA and genetic makeup and therefore could have possible “mark of the beast” and Revelation 13 implications in the future.

      Has anyone read a book by Doug Hamp called “Corrupting the Image” ?  I found it a fascinating study.

      Many blessings and my prayers that we all stand fast during these times in Psalm 91 and 2 Tim 1:7

      David

       

       

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    • #11943
      Arthur
      Participant

      Yes,  I have heard Doug Hamp’s teachings on the subject. Good stuff.

      5G does effect your DNA.  Along with their ability to create a surveilance/police state,  it’ll likely fit hand in glove with the Mark of the Beast.

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    • #11951
      Geri7
      Participant

      Just finished watching the youtube.  Very informative and makes sense! Thanks Arthur for sharing it.

      My network provider last Sept forced their customers to switch out and upgrade their Modem/Router so its all ready for the 5G roll-out.   Their sales pitch was if you keep your old Modem/Router you could experience interruptions in your service.  I’m wondering if it helps to keep a window open at all times so when they do turn on the high frequency network it wont suck out all the oxygen in our homes?  Or will it not matter because just by walking outside the air quality will be just as dangerous to breathe from lack of oxygen?   I already have radon fumes coming out of a pipe they installed  near my trash can shed … now just mix in the 5G waves :wacko: I reckon all plant life and animals will die too. :cry:

      Back in 2017 I was a greenhorn when I purchased this small garden shed.  I had plans to use it indoors in my condo to keep my broom/mop and cleaning supplies in since I lack closet space. However, there was one big problem … I didn’t realize the “wood” was saturated with formaldehyde because I assembled it outdoors.  I even left it outdoors 3 months before moving it inside my condo.  I was moving things over slowly by myself.  The next day when I went back over … I immediately experienced a migraine headache, my eyes were watering and I had trouble breathing.  I knew the cause of the bad air was coming from that garden shed.  So I opened up a few windows and removed the shed and just trashed it since it was of no use outside either.  Any strong wind gust would continually knock it over.  LOL it was an expensive piece of junk. :negative:   I waited a couple of days before returning to the condo and the air quality was, thankfully, back to normal. Whew.

       

      Anybody know when the 5G roll-out is planned for America?  Perhaps that timeline will give us a heads up clue of when the rapture will happen?  Glad to hear Israel is not accepting the 5G program.

       

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    • #11956
      Tammie
      Participant

      Geri,

      So sorry to hear about your “luxury” purchase. Many caustic chemicals still get leeched into products and sold to unaware consumers. Very sad! Remember the gypsum board from China several years ago…..?
      To answer your question, Verizon and T-Mobile in most larger cities is now 5G. Remember it’s not the phones and tools, it’s the towers that produce the waves. Per my hubby, who used to work in the military with such, the waves are short and have to connect in a “straight” line from tower to tower, therefore crisscrossing across the space. The more towers, the more waves. So it’s almost like we’ll be sitting inside a giant O2 microwave, sucking away at our O2 consumption as it merrily hums it’s wave action across the blue yonder.
      Also do you remember CERN with its “666” symbol and statue of the demon goddess outside their facility? They produced the Hadron Collider to “reach” into the cosmos and the depths of the earth for “research”. They also produced the super conductors and particle accelerators. Same thing folks! Visit their home page at cern.com to read about the web addition to their work and antimatter research, very global stuff with results to destroy humanity. Yep, we are soon outta here! Thank you Jesus! :prayer-hands:

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      • #11961
        Geri7
        Participant

        Thanks for explaining things, Tammie.

        Eek … all I have to do is open my front door and this is my “lovely” view of the Verizon cell tower directly straight ahead. :wacko:   There is a small parking lot down the hill with a store and then a 1 lane highway.  Then you see the telephone pole in the picture and just a little distance up the mountain from the pole is the toxic cell tower.  I reckon all along we were getting zapped … but the Lord is keeping my dog and me safe.   The towers are miles apart … 10 miles south is the next tower and north of here a few other towns refused to have the towers installed because they are afraid of cancer so the cell service is spotty when traveling the highway until you get to the bigger cities.

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    • #12089
      Loz
      Participant

      It was an interesting video.

      I believe this virus is real and is being used to “target” those with medical conditions.

      The 5G scenario is for after we are Raptured, the world be heading full speed to a total reliance on digital technology which will be fully realised by the mid point of the tribulation.

      The kings, queens, presidents & prime ministers of this world are the “actors” in the scene, while the “directors” manipulate world affairs in the shadows.

      This crisis is being used to give governments more control over the populace, crash/weaken the global economy & usher in a global economic reset.

      I have faith that our Blessed Hope is so much nearer now. :yahoo:

       

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    • #12095
      Whit
      Participant

      Barry Scarborough says this could be the perfect cover for the rapture.  Everyone home. No one outside.  Can easily be explained away by « they died. ».   Which tells me we are so much closer!

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      • #12173
        Leaving Soon
        Participant

        Whit,

        Also if every one is home and no one outside then the aftermath of the Rapture won’t be as bad as it would be under normal circumstances. Imagine all the travel/traffic disasters the Rapture would cause if things were normal when it happens. Like maybe God is using this to put everyone where He wants them to be when The Rapture happens.

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      • #12187
        Geri7
        Participant

        Yep, less planes, trains and automobile crashes to contend with.  Also … if we are out and about when the rapture occurs our wallets and keys will be left on the ground for anybody to pick up and can you just picture them heading to our homes to steal things?  It wouldn’t be good for the safety of those who still have unsaved family living in the same household.

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    • #12114
      Tammie
      Participant

      Whit – that speaks with credibility and is a high probability!
      I’m still very connected to my healthcare organization and my local facility, so if I’m not online at 0830 for the first daily webinar, people might say, hmmmm :unsure: if I miss the 0930 safety webinar, someone might call me :unsure:  if I miss any other webinars or calls, they would send a police man to my home.

      I say that because I’m still very connected, but you and Barry are correct, social isolation is very real, approx. 70% of the population in the US and may be higher globally. Very interesting thought! :prayer-hands:

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    • #12415
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Whit, I also agree and have made the same statement.  God is not handpicking which nations to trouble to pump the well to bring in a world government but seems to be distressing all the nations.  First the cup of trembling then distress.

      TR

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    • #12418
      Geri7
      Participant

      A friend sent me this …  right now its the left hand they are stamping … but we know the right hand will be reserved during the tribulation …

       

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      • #12434
        MyWhiteStone
        Moderator

        Then I suppose they are told not to wash their hands any more so they won’t risk losing the stamp.

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      • #12435
        Leaving Soon
        Participant

        Geri7 I still think the mark of the beast could be a tattoo or a brand like whatever Cain had.

        And also in India they use their left hand to wipe themselves if that means anything to this story : )

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    • #12439
      MyWhiteStone
      Moderator

      So India must not be as affected by toilet paper shortages as we are, Leaving Soon.  Hmmmm.

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    • #12459
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Don’t eat with the same hand you wipe with!!!

      TR

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      • #12460
        Tammie
        Participant

        TR in many cultures that is a taught belief, but for a different reason you mention. Bringing in all that TP issue —— in other words, if you prominently use your right hand to toilet yourself, you do not eat with that hand as your prominent hand. :mdrmdr: Just a bit of cultural trivia :mdrmdr: as related to hand use. :groan

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    • #12461
      tenderreed
      Participant

      I knew that.

      TR

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      • #12637
        Geri7
        Participant

        Hey, speaking about toilet paper … Dollar General has it! :good:

        Their brand (quilted like Charmin) package of 4 rolls for only $2.00.

        Since you’re talking about … using your left hand to clean  … I’ve been meaning to ask … is this a home bidet or a fancy home urinal?  If it is a bidet, there is no toilet seat so are you suppose to actually sit inside this thing? :scratch:

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    • #12632
      Arthur
      Participant

      Some more articles with the 5G – Coronavirus connection:

      http://stateofthenation.co/?p=7828

      http://stateofthenation.co/?p=7673

      May the perpetrators of this evil be brought to justice in this world or the next.  May they repent before it is too late.

       

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    • #12636
      Arthur
      Participant
      1. Whoops!  Read the articles and links with caution.  They talk about Khazarian Jews in one article and Zionist Jews (in the perjorative sense)  in another. I think the basic information is good but they seem to be off track in regards to Israel.
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    • #12642
      Arthur
      Participant

      State of the Nation seems to be on the level.  They have links to articles to The millenium report.  The Millennium report is absolutely off the rails.  Do not read anything from them.

      Sorry for the trouble.

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    • #12676
      Geri7
      Participant

      I just saw this posted … check out the words of the first stanza … sure describes the conditions the entire world is in today, eh?   B-)

       

      The King is Coming
      By Gaither Music

      The marketplace is empty
      No more traffic in the streets
      All the builders’ tools are silent
      No more time to harvest wheat
      Busy housewives cease their labors
      In the courtroom no debate
      Work on earth is all suspended
      As the King comes thro’ the gate

      O the King is coming
      The King is coming
      I just heard the trumpets sounding
      And now His face I see
      O the King is coming
      The King is coming
      Praise God, He’s coming for me

      Happy faces line the hallways
      Those whose lives have been redeemed
      Broken homes that He has mended
      Those from prison He has freed
      Little children and the aged
      Hand in hand stand all aglow
      Who were crippled, broken, ruined
      Clad in garments white as snow

      O the King is coming
      The King is coming
      I just heard the trumpets sounding
      And now His face I see
      O the King is coming
      The King is coming
      Praise God, He’s coming for me

      I can hear the chariots rumble
      I can see the marching throng
      The flurry of God’s trumpets
      Spells the end of sin and wrong
      Regal robes are now unfolding
      Heaven’s grandstand’s all in place
      Heaven’s choir now assembled
      Start to sing “Amazing Grace”

      O the King is coming
      The King is coming
      I just heard the trumpets sounding
      And now His face I see
      O the King is coming
      The King is coming
      Praise God, He’s coming for me

      – Fair Use-

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      • #12708
        Tammie
        Participant

        Geri — great minds — I thought of this song the other day! Couldn’t remember all the words so thank you for locating it.. :prayer-hands:

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      • #12718
        Geri7
        Participant

        I shared the song with a cyber friend and his reply was “One of my all time favorite Gaither songs when it came out in 77 or 78 – on 8-track!!!”

        I didn’t realize how old this song is … certainly spot on with describing our last days right now!  I had to google to see what an 8-track was. :mdrmdr:    I recall vinyl records and cassette tapes and VHS tapes but not the 8-tracks.  I guess you needed a boom box to play them on? :unsure:

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    • #12680
      regina
      Participant

      hi Whit & all, previously in a post I said I did not know what to make of this virus.

      This doctor, David Forrest, is a christian who is an infectious diseases doctor in the city where I live. this is his comments about the virus. where you are, numbers will be different, but maybe his comments about what to do to try and avoid getting it or spreading it would be helpful. pretty much what has already been said on media

      http://Dr David Forrest, Infectious Diseases, on COVID-19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfSOY_kEuU0

       

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    • #12681
      regina
      Participant

      :unsure: cannot figure out how to post the video and now the post doesnt say edit

      try try again

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfSOY_kEuU0

      or

      <iframe width=”560″ height=”315″ src=”https://www.youtube.com/embed/SfSOY_kEuU0&#8243; frameborder=”0″ allow=”accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture” allowfullscreen></iframe>

       

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