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    • #81092
      bgkimbr
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      Five Doves September 26th, 2021 Letters.

      http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2021/sep.htm

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    • #81098
      Geri9
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      Oh wow … this is a REALLY good article.  In another thread yesterday,  Earthangel was also giving us the heads up about a possible rapture occurring on Feast of Tabernacles.

       

      What intrigues me about this is Jonah … after warning Nineveh to repent or else judgment … he made a booth and sat in it.

      And the trib saints will have palms in their hands when they are seen in heaven dwelling with the Lord and worshipping Him … here I was thinking the timeframe in the spring (Palm Sunday) … but here it could also refer to Feast of Tabernacles because they use palms to cover their booths.  Hmmmm   B-)

      So if Jesus’ earthly birth landed on Feast of Tabernacles … is there any way to find out if that year the feast landed on Oct 31st? :unsure:

       

      And … since some feel we might be a month off with Feast of Trumpets … we got the 2nd round on   :mail:

      October 7-9  – Feast of Trumpets

      October 21  – Creator’s calendar – Feast of Trumpets

      When is Feast of Tabernacles?  Will it fall on Oct 31st?   B-)

       

       

       

      Jesus in a Cattle Stall (at Tabernacles?)

      By Lisa Taylor

      This is the time of year when I think of the prophetic possibilities for the Fall Feasts.  Tabernacles (Sukkot) is my favorite and there must be something significant connected to it because all of the nations of the world will be expected to celebrate it in the future, according to Zechariah 14:16-19.

      As you may know, Leviticus 23:39-40 requires the people to dwell in temporary structures or booths called sukkah for 7 days. “Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths: That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.”  Leviticus 23:23-43.

      Now, some scholars believe that Jesus was born in the Fall, during the Fall Feasts.  I would like to propose that Tabernacles as a good birthdate for the following reasons:

      Jesus in a Cattle Stall

      We all know the Christmas story, Mary and Joseph were forced to stay in a stable when there was no room available for them to stay in.

      Important background information: back in the Old Testament, Jacob built booths for his cattle.  Genesis 33:17. “And Jacob journeyed to Succoth, and built him an house, and made booths for his cattle: therefore the name of the place is called Succoth.” Notice that the name of the town is a variant of the word sukkah – because it was named after the cattle stalls that Jacob built.  So, cattle stalls are actually tabernacles ….

      Now if Jesus was born on the Feast of Tabernacles, His family would have dwelt in a literal tabernacle (an animal stall) on the Feast of Tabernacles.  And there’s a good chance that they were there for the full 7 days of the Feast since they may have waited until the time that Jesus was to be circumcised.  Wouldn’t it be something if the Feast of Tabernacles also pointed to the birth of Christ and that Jews have been unwittingly recreating the setting for it for thousands of years?  God surely has a sense of humor.  Just remember this Feast the next time you see depictions of a Jewish family living in an animal stall on your neighbors’ lawns next Christmas season.  Ironically, it is more a picture of the Feast of Tabernacles than anything else, and perhaps a clue to the birthdate of Christ.

      Christ/God tabernacles with man

      John 1:14 states: “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”  Significantly, the word “dwelt” in this passage means to fix one’s tabernacle.  So, Christ’s dwelling in a body of flesh could be a fulfillment (or a partial fulfillment) of the Feast. Someday God will tabernacle with us for eternity.  Revelation 21:3: “And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.”  Which will probably be the final fulfillment of the Feast.

      Possible Transfiguration Connection

      If you recall, at the time Jesus was transfigured, he took Peter, James and John up a high mountain.  There they meet Moses and Elijah.  Jesus is transfigured before them while they are enveloped by a cloud and hear the voice of God.

      Does the shape of this look familiar to you?  It should.  Someday we who are still alive (like the disciples) will meet Jesus high up in the clouds where we will meet the dead (like Moses) while our bodies are changed or transfigured into immortal bodies.  Also, the voice of God, which has been known to sound like a trumpet, will sound.  See Exodus 19:16 and 19; Exodus 20:18.

      Exodus 19:16: “And it came to pass on the third day in the morning, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the voice of the trumpet exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled.”

      Exodus 19:19: “And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long, and waxed louder and louder, Moses spake, andGod answered him by a voice.”

      Exodus 20:18-19: “And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.  And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.”

      Now, notice what Peter says after the Transfiguration:

      Mark 9:5: “And Peter answered and said to Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.”

      Why did Peter ask if they should build tabernacles?  It is an odd thing to say unless it happened to be around the time of Tabernacles.  Why else would booths be on Peter’s mind?  But the word is here in Scripture and I think on purpose.  Now, I don’t know if the timing of the Rapture will be around the Feast of Tabernacles, but this passage may suggest a connection.

      Jonah in a tabernacle

      We remember Jonah because Jesus said he would be a sign to the Jews.

      Matthew 12:38-41“Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.  But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.  The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.”

      If the men of Nineveh repented at the preaching of Jonah, who repented at the preaching of Jesus?  I would argue it is the predominantly Gentile Church.  Note that after Jonah preached his message of impending judgment he made himself a shelter.

      Jonah 4:5: “So Jonah went out of the city, and sat on the east side of the city, and there made him a booth, and sat under it in the shadow, till he might see what would become of the city.”

      God spared Nineveh from judgment while Jonah was sitting in a sukkah.  I do not know if this will be a pattern for us or another sign of Jonah.  But perhaps another group of people will escape judgment at a time when people are sitting in tabernacles.

       

      Festival of Bodies

      Did you know that our bodies are tabernacles?  Both Peter and Paul refer to their bodies as tents or tabernacles.

      2 Peter 1:13-15: “Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance; Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.  Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.”

      We all long for the time when God will provide us with immortal bodies in place of the earthly bodies, or tabernacles, we are dwelling in: 2 Corinthians 5:1-8: “For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.  For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.  For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.  Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.  We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.”

      So, if bodies are tabernacles, then the fulfillment of the Feast of Tabernacles could include a time of resurrection where we receive new bodies.  Since Jesus may have received a body of flesh on the Feast of Tabernacles; we may will receive heavenly bodies on a future Feast of Tabernacles.  It will be a Festival of Bodies and another birth day. (We got a body on our first birth day; we may get another body on our second birth day.)

       

      The Great Multitude

      The passage about the great multitude in Revelation 7:9-17 looks like a celebration of the Feast of Tabernacles.

      According to Leviticus 23:40, the people are to take tree branches and celebrate before the Lord: “And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.

      Revelation 7:9: “After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands …. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?  And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.  Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.”  [You guessed it, the word “dwell” used here means to tabernacle.]

      Not sure what my point was in writing this post, except to share my excitement for the Feast of Tabernacles.  We are going to dwell with God someday.  Can you imagine it?  What always gets me is that God wants to dwell with us.  Even now the Holy Spirit is dwelling in believers.  (Perhaps another fulfillment of the Feast.)  We are going to fellowship with God face to face.  How wonderful is that?

      We have so much to look forward to.  I can’t wait to see how Bible prophecy will be fufilled.  I also can’t wait to meet you all at the Five Doves table at the Wedding Feast (and don’t get me started on how a Jewish wedding chuppah is a type of tabernacle).  Maranatha.

      – Fair Use –

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    • #81105
      Donna
      Moderator

      These days it does feel like our hearts are feeling earthquaking beats  ~~~ we’re reeling over the speed and signs obvious ~~ with inspired outlook for our Beloved Lord’s return ~ ~  Honestly feeling it’s fair, in the midst, to ask:  “why IS the church still here .

      .   In all the decades of watching, I’ve never sensed such urgency  ~~~ Christ’s 2nd coming is looming,   . . .  Jesus said we’d know . . and so,  by the signs . .   IT’s TIME, LORD, catch us up amdist our longings for Your return, for we do stay looking up so in watch for YOU,  ~~

      . . and so we close our eyes, embracing our senses, asking:   how much deeper must the setup/reset times show in this world before we see You, Lord, face to Face?

      Oh, Majestic Jesus deliver us up and catch us away out of and from this world soooooooooooo on the precipice for Your 2nd coming  ~ ~  Mighty Righteous Holy Creator God, we await Your rapturous call . . ~~

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      This from 5 doves, by Fay . . . .  surely this world is headed to its final showdown  ~ ~http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2021/fay926-13.htm

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      “I have been watching the Melbourne protests this week with shocked disbelief. I have watched footage of the immigrants clamouring on America’s southern border – with shocked disbelief.

      We have been seeing news of valuable members of the medical community and armed forces having to leave their jobs because they refuse to have the vaccine. I could list dozens of things that have shocked the senses this week. Including the ridiculous farce unfolding at the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA).

      If this was a movie, I would be wondering why the people were so slow to realise they were being taken over by a profound evil.

      Stepping out of the woods to see the trees, it takes a fresh pair of eyes to observe events with clarity.

      The most powerful nation in the free world has been tricked into a malevolent governmental takeover. True democracy was stolen right under the noses of the American people. With a POTUS who can barely string a sentence together, the future looks dangerous.

      Here in the UK, it’s clear we have a bunch of pampered, delusional clowns as leaders. These idiots are sitting pretty as there is no viable opposition.

      The Middle East has entered a new, highly dangerous phase. Iran is on the point of having a nuclear weapon – which will then force Israel to act. It seems that this is exactly what the democrats are aiming for! . .  “

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    • #81108
      Geri9
      Participant

      Yeah … it’s heartbreaking to see all the free countries being striped of their rights and forcing our military, police force, health care workers, etc. to step down and resign because of the demonic mandates.  This is going to bring lawlessness.

      Based on this passage … I’m encouraged because I think we are in the last stages before departure! :popcorn

      II Thess 2:1-7

      1  Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him

      That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

      3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

      4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

      5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

      6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

      7   For the mystery of iniquity (aka  lawlessness) doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

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    • #81183
      Earthangel
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      Another good article about Tabernacles as a possibility for the rapture at Fivedoves is here:

      http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2021/ellioth926.htm

       

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