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    • #79342
      Loz
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      Getting Your Hopes Up About Feast of Trumpets

      Heather R

      Sep 3, 2021

      “Fair Use For Education and Discussion Purposes”

      Loz :]

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    • #79345
      Perhaps Today
      Participant

      But, if John is a picture of the rapture and he is taken to heaven and after he is there, he is witness to the search for anyone worthy to open the scrolls and no one is worthy except Jesus. Then Jesus takes the scrolls and to open them, isn’t that a gap between the rapture and the start of the tribulation? Also, If there were no gap between the rapture and the start of the tribulation, that would mean the antichrist would have to be on the scene and in a position to enforce the peace treaty with Israel because that is the start on the tribulation and I can’t see that happening the same day of the rapture.

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    • #79347
      Loz
      Participant

      All I would suggest is that it’s pretty certain the AC is on the scene now, and that he does not get revealed as such until he desecrates the third temple declaring himself as God.

      Also God is outside of the time He created. :)

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    • #79348
      Geri9
      Participant

      No worries … I’m a Shemetah fan

      1938 – 1945  WW2

      1945 – 1952   Rebirth of Israel

      —————-

      When the clock started the countdown

      1st  7 complete years of Israel rebirth  1952 – 1959

      2nd 7 years   1959 – 1966

      3rd  7 years   1966 – 1973 (6 day war)

      4th   7 years   1973 – 1980

      5th    7 years   1980 – 1987

      6th    7 years   1987 – 1994 (President G.H.W. Bush  on 9/11/1990 speech NWO)

      7th    7 years   1994 – 2001 (World Trade Towers crashed … NWO rising 1 tower)

      8th    7 years   2001 – 2008 (Stock Market crashed)

      9th    7 years    2008 – 2015

      10th   7 year     2015 – 2022

      These 10 sets of 7 =  70 years

      We are in the transition period right now 2021 – 2022 … the rapture is going to occur soon soon soon whether it happens on this FOT or days or a few months later … no worries.  Tribulation hast to start in the fall of 2022 to keep the 7 year Shemetah pattern going … :good:    According to Israel365news … Iran is now near the Golan Heights … preparing their attack on Israel … The church hast to leave soon soon soon.

      11th   7 year cycle   2022 – 2029  Tribulation period begins

      (11 means rebellion, judgment)

       

      12th  7 year  cycle    2029 – 2036  First 7 years into the millennium

      (12 means perfect government or rule)

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    • #79351
      Heather R
      Participant

      The covenant is not a peace treaty. If it was, it would broken when Seal 2 is opened right at the start of the Week. The covenant is merely a restoration to the Mosaic law. That’s how and why the temple factors in.

       

      As for the perceived “gap” while there’s a search in the throneroom for someone worthy. That can be interpreted as a three second conversation just as it’s written.  There doesn’t need to be time involved in between Rev 4-5 and Rev 6. To be honest, the events described in Rev 6’s first 4-5 Seals can be viewed as ramifications of the rapture and the massive disruption that will cause to the world.

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    • #79355
      Heather R
      Participant

      This discusses the whole of Daniel 9.

      https://www.academia.edu/45658704/Daniels_70_Weeks

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    • #79367
      David W. Roche
      Moderator

      I thought I’d weigh in with a few observations: First, Heather has every right to express her view about the rapture and the Tribulation running from spring to spring. She has written about that position on a number of occasions and set out her case for it. I personally favor the fall season for the beginning and ending of the Tribulation, based upon Zechariah 12:10-14 and Matthew 24:30-31. It just looks clear to me that the Great Trump for the Second Coming sounds during the fall feasts. However, it is not something I wish to be dogmatic about, nor to insist it is a settled issue.

      The rapture does not necessarily have to happen on the Feast of Trumpets, I will gladly concede. If there is no “transition period,” and the Tribulation begins on the exact day the rapture occurs, then you would still have to back up 2,520 days from the time of the Second Coming to arrive at a rapture date. That leaves a window of about 35 days after the Feast of Trumpets when we could be caught up.

      Every year, when the fall season passes, I feel at little frustrated at the thought that we might have to wait until the next round of fall feasts to watch. It seems unwise to have God put in a box as to when Jesus is “allowed” to return, whether we think it’s more likely during one season or the other. Yet, if we are convinced that the Tribulation MUST occur at a set time, then the only alternative is to consider there might be an interval of some duration between the rapture and the Tribulation. It’s a valid point to ask what is to be done with those who come to God after the rapture and before the Tribulation kicks off. That is a puzzle, should things happen that way. Alternatively, some have pointed out that there is a great deal to get done if everything has to happen on day one, and a more natural flow of events would be to have a period (perhaps a brief one) for things to get lined up.

      At this point, I simply don’t know, and neither does anyone else. It’s all speculation on this side of the event.

      There is a good bit I can agree with Heather on in her video. I do think it’s equally risky to adopt the position that Jesus will NOT be coming back on any given day, since He said to watch always.

      I don’t look at it as “getting my hopes up” to view the Feast of Trumpets, or the general time frame of September/October as a possibility for the rapture to take place. If it passes, I’ll keep watching just the same, since it is a given that my knowledge is limited on the matter, and God will do as He pleases.

      It should be stated that nothing else has to happen (from our perspective) before the Lord returns for us.

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      • #79372
        Heather R
        Participant

        I understand the differences of opinion which is why I don’t post here anymore. The 70th Week prophecy is a detailed accounting of the specific box God created for the timing of it all. I don’t think we need to look at it as God limiting Christ. I think we need to look at it as God telling us when to expect His plans to unfold. That’s just my take. It’s just a different perspective. He has been incredibly precise and specific with everything else. It would be against His nature to not be so in that case.

        See ya later. You guys can catch me on YT or academia. :bye:

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      • #79377
        MyWhiteStone
        Participant

        Regarding Zechariah 12:10-14 and Matthew 24:30-31, David, what about those two passages suggest Fall to you?  Zechariah 12:10-14 discusses families in Israel mourning over Him whom they have pierced.  I don’t see Fall.  And, just a thought of mine, proving nothing maybe, is that He was pierced on Nisan 14, Passover.

        Also following Matthew 24:30-31, the next two verses continue, “Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.”  That sounds more like Spring.

        Just sayin’ / askin’…

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      • #79789
        regina
        Participant

        David said, It’s a valid point to ask what is to be done with those who come to God after the rapture and before the Tribulation kicks off.

        just thinking. what if the 7 year 70th week of Daniel is a subset of the “tribulation”.

        if the tribulation is the entire time from the exit of the church to when Christ returns in glory to rule being tribulation time, the Spirit is not restraining antichrist during this time. it will all be tribulation time because of the loosened activity of antichrist. then all the believers who die during this time are “tribulation saints”. this would take into account the 5th seal martyrs.

        The 2 witnesses who testify for 1260 days would be here at the start of Daniel’s 70th week but not necessarily coming the day of or the day after the church leaves with the Lord. the abomination of desolation happening mid trib, the day counts in Daniel would all be intact.  :feedback

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    • #79381
      JesusGirl
      Participant

      I see a Imminent Rapture as the best possible solution! Matthew 24 relates to the Jews and the Tribulation! Is it relating to the second coming? Not sure. If it relates to the Generation of the Jews, that’s this might relate to the second coming! I have been listening to Andy Woods and are making this distinction because of the Jews as the audience here and Jesus is relating the events of the Tribulation to them. As the Prophet to the Jews. Just thinking out loud! 🤔

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    • #79382
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      I think the bigger point being missed here is that a huge watch date is days away and people are very, very tired of being here so to have that hope dashed right before the date occurs can be rather upsetting to some. There are many of us whose lives are not so bad but to others every single day is a struggle. I think in light of others afflictions we should be more aware of how we go about positing our opinions. NONE of us know when the Rapture will be and anyone who thinks they do is going against what Jesus has already told us. I have no problems with anyone’s opinions about the timing of the greatest of world events but perhaps we should be a little bit more sensitive to the needs of others. Perhaps the timing of this could have been better?? I remember a time when I went through the very dark valley of depression and the ONLY thing that kept me going was thinking Jesus may return at any moment.

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      • #79383
        JesusGirl
        Participant

        I agree! I have friends that are in a really tight spot right now! I praying all the time for Yahweh to blow the Trumpet! The thought about the Rapture being possible next year is tough for me as well!
        Maranatha!

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      • #79416
        Loz
        Participant

        I understand your point Yohanan, and yes, we should all be careful how we type/speak, I’m as guilty of that as anyone else.

        I’m left handed thus I think differently to your perspective (your now going to tell me your left handed aswell :popcorn ), I think it can be just as damaging either way, I only posted to give a bit of caution and balance.

        The fact is, we are all struggling in different ways, I personally, for my own sanity, decided several years ago to just worry about the day I’m in and thank the Lord for getting me through it.

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    • #79384
      tenderreed
      Participant

      True enough hope is healing, but the let down devastating!  At least until the next watch date!

      TR

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    • #79387
      Tammie
      Participant

      I have never felt it right to be dogmatic on a specific rapture date. We understand that we are in the season. Israel is 73 until May 14, 2022, Psalm 90:10 “The years of our life are seventy, or even by reason of strength eighty; yet their span is but toil and trouble; they are soon gone, and we fly away.”

      We are instructed to occupy and watch …

      Occupy —- Luke 1913 “Calling ten of his servants, he gave them ten minas, and said to them, ‘Engage in business until I come.’”

      Watch —- Matthew 25:13 “Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour.”

      Isaiah 55:8-9 “ For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.“

      You have to look at the whole of scripture, but sometimes the pieces speak volumes.

      There are studies of all kinds, calendars, codes, seasons, astronomy, volcanism, weather, feasts, correlations of various Biblical events, etc… that lend to our understanding of our Harpazo

      Acts 1:10-11 “And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.”

      Maybe or maybe not FOT, maybe this Wednesday or not! The story of Ruth and Boaz as the kinsman redeemer is very interesting to dissect and the history of a Galilean wedding is extremely interesting and that Christ would use this illustration and process as His last teaching and personal time to the men who would lead the beginning of the age of grace. This would be why I have held to an imminent (any minute) return – just my personal opinion and hope! :prayer-hands:

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    • #79389
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Well said Sis!  Again, it cannot be calculated to a specific day with any degree of certainty!  I have maintained this for years.  And no one will be able to say “thus sayeth the Lord”!

      That said, this is the final generation as we count down days!  Will there be a corporate quickening of our spirits, perhaps! Perhaps not!

      In any event, many there be on the wall and many are looking up!

      TR

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    • #79397
      Geri9
      Participant

      Since the 1980’s I used to only have 2 high watch dates …. Easter, FOT  and then I added Pentecost into the mix a few years ago and then 3 years ago I got really liberal and accept any day as a rapture day.   Well … we are nearing FOT and I got my eyes on that now but I’m ALSO looking at the signs of the times.  If we are still here in 2022 then we can expect world wide famine and mostly empty store shelves.  And what is available … wouldn’t those prices be extremely high?   And beef … will no longer be real meat.  Expect crime to rise and mugging as you come out of the grocery stores and breaking into your homes because people will be starving.   Doesn’t that sound like the Rider on the Black horse? :unsure:

      We got the Taliban/ISIS … only males in their 20’s and 30’s arriving in droves this week via various American commercial airplanes receiving the royal treatment from our government.  I wonder if they will be handed guns and what not …   Do you think they are here to do the dirty work … like going from door to door rounding up those who aren’t vaxx AND if we are Christians?   We also have many slipper cells waiting for thee call to do their sinister terror strikes in various cities.

      Meanwhile the Middle East is a power keg ready to explode at any moment.
      I heard “rumors” that before this year is over … our American flag “might” be changed … to this

      Is this the last straw?  Before God says ENOUGH? :unsure:

      Oh and covid … if we are here much longer … expect getting the shot or going to some FEMA camp to be …..

      I just can’t expect us being here much longer … or else the rapture event will ONLY consist of “dead in Christ”.

      Call me a sucker … I thought the Shemetah  pattern of 7 year alignment was sound  … but I’m probably wrong about that because I’m not a Bible Scholar … if we are still here in 2022 … I will then be expecting the undertaker because I will stand in line for the jab and die that way since I have violent reactions to ANY shots.  Hey, no more troubles ever again … only happiness forevermore in Beulah Land … Sweet Beulah Land. :whistle:

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    • #79401
      David W. Roche
      Moderator

      [Dan’s quote]Regarding Zechariah 12:10-14 and Matthew 24:30-31, David, what about those two passages suggest Fall to you?  Zechariah 12:10-14 discusses families in Israel mourning over Him whom they have pierced.  I don’t see Fall.  And, just a thought of mine, proving nothing maybe, is that He was pierced on Nisan 14, Passover. [/quote]

      https://www.thejoshlink.com/article304.htm

      [quote]

      There are three primary shofarim (trumpets) to be blown at specific Feasts of the LORD:
      (a) “The First Trump” in Shavuot (Pentecost);
      (b) “The Last Trump” in Rosh Hashanah (Feast of Trumpets); and
      (c) “The Great Trump” in Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement).

      It is on Yom Kippur when the Great Trump (Shofar HaGadol) is blown.

      Isaiah 27:13
      So it shall be in that day:
      The great trumpet will be blown;
      They will come, who are about to perish in the land of Assyria,
      And they who are outcasts in the land of Egypt,
      And shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

      Matthew 24:31
      And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet,
      and they will gather together His elect from the four winds,
      from one end of heaven to the other.
      [/quote]

      That points to the fall, specifically to the Day of Atonement.

      The Last Trump is blown at the Feast of Trumpets. Paul says we rise when the Last Trump sounds.
      The Great Trump is blown at the Day of Atonement.  This is connected with the gathering when Jesus comes to the earth.

      10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son. 11 On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be as great as the weeping of Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Megiddo. 12 The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves: the clan of the house of David and their wives, the clan of the house of Nathan and their wives, 13 the clan of the house of Levi and their wives, the clan of Shimei and their wives, 14 and all the rest of the clans and their wives.  Zechariah 12:10-14

      Zechariah 12 is about Armageddon.

      https://jesusplusnothing.com/series/post/DayOfAtonement

      [quote]The atonement day was to be a day of contrition, of weeping, of soul-sorrow for sin, of confession, reformation, and return to God, a day of heart-melting and charity. Without these accompaniments its oblations were vain, its incense useless, its solemnities but idle ceremonies. [/quote]

      http://www.pray4zion.org/HanukkahFeastofDedication.html

      [quote]Yom Kippur is an annual observance that restored the people of Israel as a servant nation to God as a holy people. This complete fulfillment of Yom Kippur is prophesied in Zechariah 12:10-13:1, when our people will look unto Messiah whom we have pierced and then mourn for Him, and then the cleansing is nationally applied, and thus all Israel will be saved, as Paul understood this matter (Romans 11:26-27). [/quote]

      There is one day on the Jewish calendar that the nation sets aside for mourning and repentance of sin. In this case, it will be the rejection of their Messiah for 2,000 years. Jesus was the Passover Lamb of God, but the Day of Atonement was when the nation dealt with its national and personal sins.

      16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.  Zechariah 14:16-19

      What global event will take place that will require the nations to come together each year and worship the King? I would submit that it is the inauguration of the Millennial reign.

      [Dan’s quote]Also following Matthew 24:30-31, the next two verses continue, “Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.”  That sounds more like Spring.

      Just sayin’ / askin’…[/quote]

      That is a parable about how the fig tree putting forth leaves is an early indicator that summer is coming, even if it does not appear obvious from other circumstances. In itself, it does not tell us anything about the precise timing of the rapture or the Second Coming. It is a picture of hope.

      What else?

      15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.  Matthew 24:15-21

      If the seven years starts in the spring, then that puts the Abomination of Desolation 42 months (0r six months) ahead on the calendar. That would be a terrible time to have to run for your life. I believe God will answer their prayer, and the weather will not prohibit their flight from Jerusalem.

      I also think that Passover would be the most likely time for the Abomination of Desolation to occur and the “sacrifices and oblations to cease.”

      27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.  Daniel 9:27

      That would really be an insult to God and the Jewish people, for the Man of Sin to cancel Passover and declare Himself to be God.

      http://www.pray4zion.org/HanukkahFeastofDedication.html

      [quote]Hanukkah is always 75 days after The Day of Atonement and may be related to an interesting prophecy in Daniel 12:12; “Blessed is he who waits and comes to the thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.” (M KJV) 1,335 days is exactly 75 days more than the 1260 days that Antichrist will reign. So, if the Antichrist is destroyed on the Day of Atonement, then the extra 75 days lands us directly on the first day of Hanukkah. [/quote]

      Hanukkah celebrates the cleansing of the Temple, following the desecration of it by Antiochus Epiphanes, the Old Testament prefiguring of the coming Antichrist. It would fit perfectly with the inauguration of the Millennial Temple under the Messiah.

      Now, if the Tribulation happens to be a spring to spring event, all that symbolism is rendered meaningless. I think it makes much more sense for the seven years to run from fall to fall, than to be placed in the time of spring.

      As for the rapture, the timing is an open question, depending on whether you believe it immediately precedes the Tribulation or not. “Sudden destruction” seems to suggest there is not much of a gap in time, if any.

      Nissan 10 is Palm Sunday, which is certainly a holy day on the calendar.  Heather believes (if I recall correctly?) that it should be connected with the reign of kings, since Jesus was presented to Israel on that day. But He was presented as the sacrificial Lamb on Nissan 10. That does not for me necessitate Jesus being crowned as King of Israel on that day. I understand the argument [reasoning] behind it, though I don’t share that view.

      This is a discussion forum, and we all have a right to disagree on details. That’s how we learn, and we should seek to respect one another’s views.

       

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    • #79403
      Arthur
      Participant

      None of us really know so I would say it would be arrogant of any of us to say the Rapture will or won’t happen on such and such a day.

      To be honest, I find a 2023-2025 Rapture the most compelling as that would have Jesus’ Second Coming happen on roughly the 2,000th anniversary of His death, burial and resurrection. We could be here for a couple of more years.

      However, I think this verse throws everything up in the air. God is going to shorten the days. Is it the Tribulation period being shorter? Is it the Tribulation starting earlier? We really don’t know.

      Matthew 24:22

      New King James Version

      22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

      We just don’t know. God has the perfect time and that’s that. Hoping it is Yom Teruah 2021. There is no reason it could not be. :yahoo:

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    • #79407
      David W. Roche
      Moderator

      Arthur, the expression about the days being shortened means that the Father has already set a time limit upon them from eternity. The time given is the time it will take. It’s saying God knew to the day how much the human race could withstand and won’t allow one day more than that to pass.

      In Greek, the sense of it is: “If those days had not already been shortened, no flesh would be saved.”

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    • #79427
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      I personally, for my own sanity, decided several years ago to just worry about the day I’m in and thank the Lord for getting me through it. 

      I’m right there with you, my brother! I live each day looking for the Hand of the Lord in my life and see each day as another opportunity to be conformed into His likeness for I believe that is the meaning of life.

      I’m left handed thus I think differently to your perspective

      I am right handed. Together we can row the boat on a straight course. I do appreciate your perspective!

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    • #79431
      regina
      Participant

      i cant imagine the church having no hope in Christ returning except for one day a year in a particular year. Paul said to comfort one another with the knowledge of and hoping for the return of Jesus for the church.

      abomination of desolation has to happen not on a sabbath or in winter or Jesus wouldn’t have suggested praying that.

      if abomination of desolation begins at start of passover, sundown apr 12, 2025 (hebcal) – 1260 days is oct 30 2021.

      from oct 30, 2021 add 2520 days is sep 23 2028. that is called Shabbat Shuva, the sabbath between Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur. sabbath of return

      https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?m1=4&d1=12&y1=2025&type=sub&ay=&am=&aw=&ad=1260&rec=

      https://www.timeanddate.com/date/dateadded.html?m1=10&d1=30&y1=2021&type=add&ay=&am=&aw=&ad=2520&rec=

      thats “if“. 2021 isn’t over till its 2022.

      the world is reforming into the shape of the 4th beast in dan 7, the feet of iron and clay of dan 2.

      Jesus is coming too, first for the church. He is certain so hope in His calling us home. we can get thru each day as it comes as Loz does, depending on God for the day. seek His face in this storm we are in.

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    • #79435
      Geri9
      Participant

      Well … the way I look at it … we need to just observe the signs of the times to gauge how close the rapture is.  Here’s an example … this past Thursday  and yesterday … there are talks of dividing up Jerusalem very soon … :yes:

      Perhaps we will hear “peace and safety” as early as this month? :unsure:

      :popcorn :popcorn :popcorn

       

      From the Jerusalem Post

      A delegation of four US Democratic senators visited Israel on Thursday and Friday, in order to meet the new government and discuss regional issues, including the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
       
      “We expressed our hopes for the success of the new government and our strong support for a two-state future,” tweeted Senator Chris Murphy (D-Connecticut) after his delegation met with Foreign Minister Yair Lapid on Thursday.
       
      Murphy chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee panel dealing with the Middle East, and was the head of the delegation that included Senators Richard Blumenthal (D-Connecticut), Chris Van Hollen (D-Maryland) and Jon Ossoff (D-Georgia).

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    • #79438
      regina
      Participant

      from the article about Shabbat Shuva

      Only one Shabbat can occur between these dates. This Shabbat is named after the first word of the Haftarah (Hosea 14:2-10) and literally means “Return!” It is perhaps a play on, but not to be confused with, the word Teshuvah (the word for repentance).

      maybe its between these days of repentance before Yom Kippur that Israel says to the Lord God, blessed is He who comes in Your name ( representing You). Then Jesus returns. If He returns on a sabbath, He will be giving Israel rest from all her enemies on the day of rest. That would be a type of fulfillment for Psalm 118:22 because both the rulers who wanted control of Israel when Jesus came the first time and the builders of modern Israel rejected Jesus. Yet He returns as King of Kings and Lord of Lords to save Israel alive and establish God’s kingdom, capitol city Jerusalem. Jesus will found the kingdom of God on earth.

      A stone which the builders rejected
      Has become the chief cornerstone.

      I don’t claim to know the day of the rapture or the day of Christ returning to earth, but lets hope for the church seeing His face soon

      Return O Israel. Matt 23:39 For I say to you, from now on you will not see Me until you say, ‘Blessed is the One who comes in the name of the Lord!’”

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    • #79439
      Geri9
      Participant

      Per Keegan Fernandes   … he’s been keeping up with this push …

      Israel:  The Apple of God’s Eye!  A Two State Solution:  Dividing God’s Land!

      Will Israel finally be divided under the Biden-Harris administration? Almost certainly. But don’t lose heart, Israel must be divided and Israel must go through the time of Jacob’s trouble in order for God’s judgement to be fulfilled on His chosen people, to redeem them and restore them to the land. These things are not negotiable. But woe be unto that person who does these things, God will not hold them guiltless, by no means.

      📖Joel 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

      📝Bennett and Biden on collision course over dividing Jerusalem!: The East Jerusalem consulate, which was initially established to serve the ‘Palestinian’ population exclusively, would erase Trump’s historic accomplishment of recognizing a united Jerusalem as Israel’s capital. A consulate in East Jerusalem would relations between Washington and Jerusalem eight years back to the Obama era when Washington recognized Tel Aviv, not Jerusalem, as Israel’s capital. After Trump recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, Biden now needs Israel’s consent to reopen the consulate. But according to the report, Bennett also would rather avoid embarrassing Biden. The issue is currently under discussion between the two parties. Upon hearing about the development, chairman of the Religious Zionist party, Bezalel Smotrich wrote on Twitter: “As part of Biden’s efforts to erase Trump’s accomplishments, Biden is moving forward with a plan to reopen the American consulate for Palestinians in Jerusalem and therefore, nullifying the recognition of a united Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.” Smotrich believes that Bennett will agree to Biden’s aims adding: “As of now, the leftist government of Bennett-Lapid-Abbas is going with the flow and is dividing Jerusalem.”

      📖Zechariah 2:8 For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

      📝These news articles say it all!!…

      📌Lapid declares support for 2-state solution before EU foreign Ministers!: In his remarks, Lapid said it is “no secret” that he supports a two-state solution between Israel and the Palestinians, but he noted that the conditions are not currently in place for a peace agreement.

      📌Macron: France willing to contribute to efforts to achieve “Two-State Solution”!  “We know the parameters to reach a two-state solution, and France stands willing to contribute, while respecting the legitimate aspirations of each party,” asserted Macron.

      📌Biden vows to help “rebuild” Gaza, insists on a Two-State Solution Biden: There is no shift in my commitment to the security of Israel. Biden the added, “But I’ll tell you what there is a shift in: we need a two-state solution. It is the only answer.”

      📌After restoring aid to Palestinians, Biden endorses Two-State Solution!:  US President Joe Biden on Wednesday promised to press for a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, as he restored aid to the Palestinians. In a call with Jordan’s King Abdullah II, a longstanding US ally who recently faced down dissent within the royal family, Biden “affirmed that the United States supports a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict,” a White House statement said.

      📌UN Chief calls on Israel, Palestine to return to negotiations for a 2-State Solution!: The UN chief on Sunday called on Israel and Palestine to end “senseless cycle of bloodshed, terror and destruction” and return to negotiations for a two-state solution of the conflict.

      📌Internal Biden memo said to back 2-State Solution along 1967 Lines!: :wacko:  The Biden administration will reportedly push for a two-state solution based on the pre-1967 lines, with mutually agreed upon land swaps, reinstating US policy on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to more traditionally held positions than those of former president Donald Trump.

      📌Biden says he will reopen Palestinian mission in Washington, and fully support dividing Israel and Jerusalem to create Two State Solution!

      Biden’s Middle East policy “will be to support a mutually agreed, two-state solution, in which Israel lives in peace and security, alongside a viable Palestinian state,” Mills said.

      📖1 Thessalonians 5:3  For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

       

      – Fair Use –

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    • #79441
      Blue
      Participant

      I listened to MFATW last night.  He said all the technology for the MOB will be in place in six weeks. He also said we will  be hit with some space objects that will cause fires in the next few weeks. Maybe this is the sudden destruction? That seems to agree with the Watchman of the Dragon video I posted on the Watch Dates thread last week. I’m watching and hoping every day  to miss all the excitement down here!

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      • #79443
        Blue
        Participant

        Also MFATW said that there is going to be some evidence presented that will cause some people to leave their faith and move to the one world religion.

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        • #79704
          Regen
          Participant

          What is MFATW?

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          • #79709
            Arthur
            Participant

            Mike from around the world. He is a regular guest on Paul Begley’s prophecy show. He makes a lot of wild predictions which usually don’t pan out.

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    • #79442
      Blue
      Participant

      Regina, do you mind adding these articles over on the Watch Date thread so they are easy to find?  Thanks!

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      • #79449
        regina
        Participant

        moved them over blue :rose:

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    • #79444
      JesusGirl
      Participant

      Is anyone familiar with a 30-40 Gap theory after the Rapture before the Tribulation  happens? It was mentioned on Andy Woods YouTube channel! Andy Woods claims that Babylon still needs to be built! I disagree! But this info about those events and Babylon are swirling around in my head! Andy Wood is really solid, but even he can’t know and discern the whole Counsel of the Bible correctly!
      :feedback

      :thankyou

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      • #79445
        Blue
        Participant

        Yes, I heard this recently also.  They related it to purification after male childbirth in Leviticus 12.

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        • #79450
          JesusGirl
          Participant

          What are your thoughts on this? I think sudden destruction is pretty clear! I find this a far fetched theology and is not in harmony with the Eschatology we have learned for years! Noah set in the Ark 7 days and it started to rain! Days, that’s what Genesis says! Israel would be destroyed by the anti christ and what about the Daniel Tribulation Timeline? I think drawing conclusions from Leviticus, Torah, is far fetched! Still there are patterns and types in the Old Testament we have to consider! Since the Rapture and the details were really made clear by the Apostle Paul, via Revelation by Jesus Himself, I think we should look at this closer than the Book of Leviticus! Just thinking 🤔 out loud!

           

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      • #79452
        regina
        Participant

        In Rev 4-5, the church is present when Jesus gets the scroll and opens the seals. Its not clear how much time that is, or if like Heather was saying, because God is outside of time it may all be what we would call very brief between the catching up of the church and those seals getting opened. Some teachers do teach a length of time between the rapture and tribulation beginning. From what I’ve heard Pastor Woods say, I didn’t think Andy Woods taught something would have to be in place before the rapture of the church. Could you post a link to the teaching about 30-40 day gap?

        These are him about Babylon that I know of. The first is from 19:44 – 27:21 from yesterday 9/3/21

        https://youtu.be/t5UbbshQJqs?t=1183

        and from 2009,  The Role of Babylon in Bible Prophecy

        He posted more recently about Babylon in 2 parts, but each are about an hour. They are called Babylon: The Bookends of History from a study of Revelation, #52 & 53. I listened at the time but don’t recall enough to summarize them. Just he believes Babylon will have a literal prominent role in the tribulation.

        This is him about the rapture, When Is the Rapture, or could Jesus come back today?

        Philippians 3:20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;

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    • #79451
      Blue
      Participant

      What I heard was just someone saying there was a theory and it had to do with Leviticus 12. I didn’t hear the whole theory or how they might have related it to the end times.  Maybe they related it to the Revelation 12:1-2 sign?  I think there are things we just won’t know until they happen. It did rain for 40 days and nights after Noah entered the ark.  Maybe someone could pull a theory out of that.  People make calculations and they seem to be 30-40 days from adding up, but I think this could be made up for if the earth is shaken back into a 360 day year.

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    • #79455
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      From all I have read and heard, we live in modern Babylon. No place on earth can match the description of Babylon like the USA. All in all, I stopped watching youtube eschatology. It just gets contradictory and confusing. Who is right? They all can’t be. But my spirit is moved now like it has never been moved before and I feel a calling and purification by the Holy Spirit like I’ve never felt in all of my life. What I do feel is correct is that time is very, very. VERY short.

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      • #79457
        JesusGirl
        Participant

        Amen! I agree! Maranatha! :rose: :heart: :flyup:

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      • #79458
        Tammie
        Participant

        Yohanan— agree! We are truly at the door, I suspect the Father will be calling us home in short order!!!! It is just something that is now felt and goes beyond all “study” — the spirit himself yearns to guide us home and this feeling permeates our very soul, especially to those who are watching — this is just my opinion, but I agree we are leaving and it is exceptionally close!!! :yahoo:

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      • #79524
        churchgal
        Participant

        Amen and Amen!!! I agree! and Tammie you also said that perfectly…”it is something that is now felt that goes beyond all “study” ”  YES!!!  As I read all of your words here, tears come to my eyes, as I get more confirmation that what I have been feeling is not just wishful thinking but the Spirit speaking Truth to all of us and this time we are in, and how very close we are… I am moved beyond words for how grateful I am for each and every one of you…and I am gonna give everyone the biggest bear hug ever when we finally get to meet!! :heart: :prayer-hands: :flyup:

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    • #79459
      Blue
      Participant

      I love YouTube even if there are some crazy ideas.  There are some good ones on there too. It gives me encouragement that there are so many watchers out there. I love to read all the comments.  People are watching and excited for Christ’s return.

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    • #79462
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      Blue, there is nothing at all wrong with watching youtubes and seeking answers. For me, my spirit is just tired and so I seek rest in Him instead. Doesn’t mean anything other than I’m just tired so I hope no one takes my comments as a knock against looking for answers. It’s quite fascinating! I’m just tired.

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    • #79467
      regina
      Participant

      What I do feel is correct is that time is very, very. VERY short….I’m just tired.

      :agree

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    • #79488
      Tammie
      Participant

      Yes! Very tired in spirit, weary, but a note to encourage … Galatians 6:9 “And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up.”

      Remember Twila Paris? The Warrior is a Child …

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    • #79554
      Tammie
      Participant

      This song has brought a lot of comfort to me when I am really heavy with burden for the lost and weary waiting..

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    • #79653
      kmdickinson
      Participant

      Well, I’m always ready to listen to points made from Scripture. So for anyone who holds to the Nisan 10 as the start and stop of the Tribulation, can you tell me what the purpose of the fall feasts are?

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    • #79782
      Loz
      Participant

      All the feasts point to Jesus Christ and were fullfilled in Him.

      Charlie Garrett at Superior Word alomg with our Heather R have done bible studies on this.

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      • #79813
        kmdickinson
        Participant

        I’m thinking there must be a double fulfillment, then, since Paul wrote to the Colossians (2):

        16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

        Paul is indicating that God’s Feasts (holydays) are yet a shadow of what is to come and they are all about Christ. Hmm, and even in that vein, it could be that there is yet another type of fulfillment for the “spring” feasts, given Paul’s language here. Very interesting……

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    • #79793
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Indeed, anticipating any given extrapolated date is a set up for disappointment!

      TR

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      • #79795
        Geri9
        Participant

        That is why I started looking at ONLY the signs of the times to gauge the nearest of the rapture event.   Don’t get me wrong though … I am always on EXTRA high alert for Feast of Trumpets but if it passes and still here … I’m not giving up watching and waiting … Luke 12 tells us to stay alert … Jesus is coming at an hour we think not!

        I posted this in the covid thread …. but it applies here too

        Yep, I was always wondering what would divide up a close family in the tribulation time that Luke 12 describes.  Sure looks like COVID vaxx is it …plus add on … later willingly standing in line to receive the mark of the beast.   Since we are already seeing the prelude of the division of the family … this gives us hope the rapture door is about to swing open!

        Luke 12
        52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.

        53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

         

        And prior verses are about the rapture …

        Luke 12
        37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.  (Aka marriage supper of the Lamb?)   :whistle:

        40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

        45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;

        46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.

        47 And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will,

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        • #79796
          Tammie
          Participant

          Geri, I agree with you, every day, every minute is a probability for rapture, imminent!

          I have often read that we are going by the incorrect calendar and are off by about 30 days. So it speaks to many more option possibilities :unsure: :prayer-hands: ready in season and out :good:

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    • #79797
      tenderreed
      Participant

      How about putting our hands in the hands of the man from Gailee!

      TR

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    • #79799
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      Also, the Feast days are for the Jews, not the Church so ANY day is a very viable Rapture day.

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    • #79800
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Ditto!

      Consider, if that day can’t be calculated, and Feast Days are appointed for the Jews!  And we take our cues from the worlds landscape.  What options are left?!

      To hear from the Lord alone!

      TR

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    • #79804
      David W. Roche
      Moderator

      Loz: [quote]All the feasts point to Jesus Christ and were fullfilled in Him. [/quote]

      The feast days appear to have had several occasions throughout history that echoed their meaning. In my view, it would be a mistake to assume that there is nothing more remaining that could happen on Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Feast of Tabernacles, or even Hanukkah.

      In no way am I discounting that there are connections with those dates that were (at least) partial fulfillments. The issue would be stating definitively that nothing future remains to be done on those dates. That is where I find my greatest point of disagreement.

      It seems just as much narrow thinking to insist that the rapture must NOT occur during the fall season, as to insist that it must. We watch unceasingly because we are told to do so.

       

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    • #79807
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Well said brother!

      Hoping to wake up one day and be so totally detached and convinced that today I will be going home!  Having no doubts whatsoever!

      Knowing in my heart it is finished!

      And as much as I desire this, I know it can only come from the Spirit of the Lord!

      Again, so reassuring to be with so many of like minds and hearts!  The joy we share here with each other is truly an oasis, for each of you is a river of spiritual life!

      This is not hyperbolic sentiment, but truly heartfelt!

      TR

       

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    • #79814
      kmdickinson
      Participant

      I’m thinking there must be a double fulfillment, then, since Paul wrote to the Colossians (2):

      16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

      Paul is indicating that God’s Feasts (holydays) are yet a shadow of what is to come and they are all about Christ. Hmm, and even in that vein, it could be that there is yet another type of fulfillment for the “spring” feasts, given Paul’s language here. Very interesting……

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