Hanukkah Rapture Watch

Home Forums Main Forum Hanukkah Rapture Watch

Tagged: 

Viewing 41 reply threads
  • Author
    Posts
    • #8872
      Earthangel
      Participant

      24 Kislev which is mentioned in Haggai seems connected to the start of the tribulation.  I noticed it is the first day of Hannukah this year.  Here is what I read on-line about this date and Haggai:

      “The precise date Kislev 24 is mentioned four times in the second chapter, verses 10, 15, 18 and 20. Twice it is emphasized that “from this day forward I will bless you,”
      and twice Haggai gets a special Word from Yehovah, on this very day. You have to read the whole chapter to get the context, but the message is basically that Yehovah
      will “shake the heavens and the earth and all nations” overthrowing their power, after which He will anoint the chosen one of the line of David (symbolized in that day by
      Zerubbabel), and essentially make Jerusalem the new world capital.”

      Here is some more information found on line about how the rapture and Hanukkah could be connected.  It is anticipated this year.

      The Wrath of God, End Times, & Hanukkah in Prophecy

      “If one accepts, as a fact, that Hanukkah is a replacement feast for Tabernacles, (as I have come to accept), because of the disobedience of national Israel, which occasioned its loss to them as a judgment of God, then it may mean that REGATHERED Israel is born out of due season, as a late baby. Time length, 60 days, the time between the September Feast of Tabernacles and the December Feast of Hanukkah. It may also indicate that the rapture of the Church will be governed by Hanukkah and not Tabernacles, as opposed to Tabernacles, the lost feast. Why do I say this? Because Tabernacles is the single feast of Israel THAT NEVER HAD A FULFILLMENT. All the others did, Tabernacles was lost to them. Why? Because “I hate your new moons and Sabbaths, for with your lips you are near Me, but with your heart, you are far away”. Therefore, God seemingly destroyed this last feast, and gave them a substitute for it. But somehow, we must connect Tabernacles to Hanukkah, using Bible connectors to do so.

      The Feast of Hanukkah is 8 days, the exact same length as Tabernacles, but not nearly as complex. Its major feature is the lighting of the Temple. It roughly corresponds to the Christian Christmas with the lights, giving of gifts, etc. It celebrates the retaking of the Temple from the Syrian, Antiochus Epiphanes, circa 166 B. C.

      It was in practice when Jesus was born. In John 10:22, the scriptures record “And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication (Hanukkah), and it was winter. 23, And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon’s porch. 24, Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto Him, How long dost Thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. 25, Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not; the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. 28, And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand, 29, My Father, who gave them to me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them our of My Father’s hand. 30, I and My Father are one.” Here Jesus asserted His Deity. He proclaimed plainly to them that He is God, the Son, the second member of the Triune Godhead. This was on the Feast of Hanukkah…

      …If Hanukkah is indeed the REPLACEMENT for Tabernacles, it is possible that it is a day for day replacement as well. And since the dissolving of the booths occurred on the 7th day of Tabernacles, it is entirely possible that the resurrection/rapture may occur on the 7th day of Hanukkah. That would be Dec 27/28.”

      https://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2018/12/in-hanukkah-2019-end-times-prophecy-will-be-fulfilled-2501618.html

      In December 2019, during Hanukkah, all major steps in an ancient, week-long Jewish wedding ceremony will be played out by the movements of the sun, moon, and planets in a heavenly wedding.  The giving of the ring to the bride even matches (to the minute) the “diamond ring effect” of the total solar eclipse which is at the right point in the ceremony – while we celebrate Christmas – and it will be visible at sunrise from Jerusalem – fulfilling Isaiah 13:10 very accurately – “the sun will be dark when it rises.“

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8873
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Awesome!  Indeed, great potential for a high watch date.  Or possibly the 5th day of Hanukkah as five is the number of grace, rather than wait for the 7th day.  Therefore putting it on Dec 25th?!  Dec 25th landing on a Wednesday this year.

      Given that Hanukkah week just happens to overlay Christmas Day does seem a convenient coincidence.

      In any event, this does bring us that many days closer to the Rapture.  My hope is in His soon coming.  I’ll let Him pick the day!  Thanks for sharing that bit of hope with us all!

      TR

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8874
      tenderreed
      Participant

      A midweek Rapture!  Go God!

      TR

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8877
      Geri7
      Blocked

      Thanks for sharing this info, Earthangel!

      Gary at Unsealed has a fascinating article too about staying alert for a possible December rapture! :whistle:

       

      End Time Themes Converging This Christmas Season

      The world impasse continues on as coalition talks between Netanyahu and his rival Benny Gantz are once again faltering.  There is no clear path forward, whether by rotating the office of prime minister, holding a third election, or even holding direct elections for that office as some are proposing.  In the United States, Democrats are preparing articles of impeachment against President Trump.  And in the United Kingdom, the future of Brexit is still up in the air pending the December 12th elections.

      However, we may see some major give in these things very soon:

      1. Polls indicate that Prime Minister Boris Johnson may win the snap elections next week, which would result in Brexit occurring on January 31st.  Over three years of “Brexit limbo” may finally come to an end—and we can only guess what the domino effects will be.

      2. Avigdor Lieberman has expressed slight interest in joining Netanyahu for a short-term right-wing government, and there is growing talk of pushing through an immunity bill in the Knesset that could insulate Netanyahu from indictments.

      3. Rumors are growing that the Israeli government may very soon annex the Jordan Valley, which in and of itself would be of prophetic significance on par with the Six-Day War in 1967 or the Nation-State Law last year.

      4. Public support for impeachment has essentially flipped since last month and several Democrats in the House have announced their intention to vote against their colleagues.  If 10 or so others, who reside in Trump-friendly districts, break with their party, then articles of impeachment will fail.

      5. Simultaneously, the Global Spring continues to grow as the Hong Kong protests, which resulted in pro-democracy forces dominating citywide elections, have now spread to mainland China; and the protests in Iran may be spilling over into revolution.

      Finally, #6 is the big “if”.  Will Trump finally unveil the peace plan, recognizing that they can no longer wait for coalition talks to resolve in Israel (in light of the nearness of next Fall’s elections)?  Or is it possible that this prophetic time-bomb is being misread?

      Consider for a moment the possibility that Trump may actually have no intention of pushing a two-state solution.  What if all the peace plan talk has been a head fake to stall for time, allowing Israel to subsume more and more of its God-given territory?  After all, Trump recognized Jerusalem and the Golan Heights, and cut aid to the Palestinian Authority.  It would certainly be in character for how Trump has conducted his other negotiations—à la immigration, China trade talks, etc.  Is it possible that he is God’s man for the hour, to set the stage for the Tribulation?

      We’ve been proposing a basic outline of current events as follows: first, a peace plan is unveiled that if agreed to will establish a Palestinian State, thus dividing the land; second, the rapture occurs prior to implementation, causing global chaos; third, the antichrist arrives on the world scene and confirms/strengthens the previously unveiled plan and the land is actually divided.

      What if the prophetic plan is a bit different?  Perhaps Israel finally annexes the Jordan Valley and key settlement blocks in Judea and Samaria, while diplomatically shielded by the Trump Administration.  Israel would then largely be at the same extent as the united Kingdom under David—and there would still be no Palestinian State.  Then, once Israel reaches its maximum achievable territory (without actually exiling Palestinians from their enclaves), the Jewish people let out a collective gasp of “peace and security,” and then—rapture.  From that point forward, things might proceed as we expect, with war launched against Israel by its surrounding neighbors and the antichrist confirming a covenant in the aftermath.  It should be noted that Israel isn’t subdued until the midpoint of the Tribulation when the antichrist marches into Jerusalem in league with an army of nations.  It’s at that point that the land is forcefully divided and the most cataclysmic period of the Day of the LORD begins.

      – – –

      It’s no coincidence that we see themes of the end of the age fast approaching this Christmas season.  On November 8th, the aptly named “Last Christmas” was released in theaters:

      And on December 20th, the final movie in the Star Wars saga will be released, which will be full of Balaamic messaging as I discussed this past April):

      In terms of heavenly signs, on the day after Christmas an annular solar eclipse will begin in the Middle East and traverse across southern Asia, exactly 3 x 33 days before the historic Venus-Pleiades conjunction on April 3rd.  Remember, the Great American Eclipse occurred 33 days before the Revelation 12 Sign.

      Furthermore, Christmas Day 2019 will be exactly 726,000 days after the Triumphal Entry if Christ was crucified in 32 AD.  Alphabetized, the 726th Greek word in the New Testament is harpazo (a.k.a. “rapture”).  This is by no means to say that the rapture occurs on Christmas this year, but that we see yet another bit of evidence that we are getting closer than ever before.

      The time is at hand, dear friends.  Look up, for your redemption draws nigh.

      – Fair Use-

       

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8878
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Least of all, what a great time of the year to get excited!

      Certainly that peace initiative could go either way also.  Israel annexes more of it homeland, while Israel’s enemies continue their ardent attacks.  Demonstrating that demonic hatred rather than political advantage is the true measure inspiring their actions!

      I know that I’m getting more excited with each days passing.

      TR

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8902
      yhwhtalmidah
      Participant

      I would be happy to see that happen at Christmas – pretty much the best gift Christ could give us apart from his gift of salvation! :flyup:

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8905
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Not only a personal gift for the Bride, but would also double as a harbinger for the rest of the world! IMHO.

      Indeed, let us remember that it is the lukewarm that the Lord has issues with.  He can certainly deal with everything else!

      TR

      avataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8908
      Tammie
      Participant

      My two cents – it is not an uncommon practice to have a Jewish wedding to be typically celebrated on Wednesday, very happy to have our Bridegroom come on Wednesday, December 25 this season. :prayer-hands:

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8921
      yhwhtalmidah
      Participant

      Hanukkah is called the Festival of Lights… we are supposed to reflect Jesus, who is the “Light of the world.” I love that Christmas is on a Wednesday too… here’s hoping for a pretty out-of-this-world Christmas present.

      Info on Hanukkah:

      https://www.whychristmas.com/customs/hanukkah.shtml

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8924
      Geri7
      Blocked

      Sounds good … I prefer Hanukkah or Christmas Day than waiting for Nisan 1 … April 1, 2020.

      There is a strong indication that on one of the Hanukkah’s the 3rd temple will be ready … I’m losing hope its this year even though they can build it pretty fast.  I wonder what they are going to say 13 days from now?  Perhaps they will be bold and announce next Hanukkah 2020 our temple will be built? B-)

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8926
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Any number of “tie ins” are associated with so many days.  Arguments can easily be made for any number of days.  No doubt one of them has to be right!

      As such, every day that passes and is left behind, we certainly draw one day closer to our highly anticipated redemption.  For the number of days which garner our speculations is indeed dwindling.

      I wonder, as like in childbirth as the Lord orchestrates the physical technicalities that begin the process of birth, does Lord also prepare the unborn and disclose their eventual departure from the womb???

      Perhaps this facilitates the babe to assume the birth position and then drop into place!  No doubt the Lord is in contact with the unborn child.  Perhaps this is also why even the youngest of children seem to demonstrate an innate knowledge of the Lord and spiritual life!

      Perhaps this also a tie in for the teaching that we all need the faith of a child!  Expanding on the work of Zola Levit.

      New thought here, any ideas?

      TR

       

      avataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8931
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Refreshing to get more feedback.

      TR

      avataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8933
      yhwhtalmidah
      Participant

      I thought this author’s take on the understanding of “imminence” was thought-provoking. I grew up thinking that the rapture could happen on any day at any time and we would just *poof*!!! As I have studied the end times, prophecy, and the rapture, I feel that I stand more on the “God has a set date for this” idea. I truly believe that he has already chosen that day that he will call us home and I just don’t have quite all the understanding or puzzle pieces yet to know that exact date. I have high watch dates for various reasons and wait to see the convergence of tribulation signs adding up to the point where it’s crossed those “labor pains” and “birth” is imminent. Let me know what y’all think of the author’s article:

      http://www.thepropheticscroll.org/home/50-editions/general/644-edition-499a.html

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8940
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Indeed when God set the Sun and Moon in the sky, the greater and lesser lights it was for the purpose of time keeping.

      God, like the workings of His universe and the human body is very precise.  We are also told that much had already been decided even before the foundations of the world were laid.  God had a plan, executed his plan, and keeps his plan on schedule. Indeed the Lord knows in advance what He has already decided and declared.

      Indeed prophetically speaking no declarative sign is associated with the Rapture.  As such we indeed agree to imminence in that sense.  But we can legitimately track the later events involving Israel as a harbinger of the days assigned to the Gentiles.  That’s just a logical leap!

      I am not ready nor have I been to unequivically claim the Rapture to occur on any given day!  Feast day or not!

      Again, the Church and the Rapture were a mystery to the Jewish mindset.  Differing dispensations dealing with differing people groups.  If indeed were the Rapture to occur on a well established Jewish holiday or Feast Day, would it not be immediately recognized as such.  Would not the nation of Israel be able to immediately identify and relate to it?!  Rather they would embrace the AC for 3 1/2 yrs!

      Father God is the husband of Israel, and Jesus is the husband of the Church.

      Again, the Rapture will indeed speak to the nation of Israel like so many other events in their history, but only in HINDSIGHT!

      First the Church is taken out of the way, then Father God deals with Israel.  This is an established given.  The Rapture itself will be used to mark the remaining days of Israel and man, seven years.

      So why then do we join the Rapture and Israel at the hip with the Rapture falling on a Jewish Feast Day?  What purpose does this serve?  This is my opinion does require a leap of faith of sorts, theologically speaking.

      A looser application of the term imminence can easily be summed up like this.  Time is on the side of the Church, our side!

      TR

       

       

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8943
      MyWhiteStone
      Participant

      Thought-provoking… Yes.

      I guess years ago I used to care, yhwhtalmidah, about getting to the bottom of a concept such as “imminence” as related to the Rapture, but by having used my most defensible view of this and soooo many other topics on so many occasions to elegantly forecast and argue logical Rapture dates, I have been hurt by such sharpening of my concepts.  The fact is we’re still here, so what did I know and what difference have the nuances made?  Change an assumption and inadvertently affect a conclusion.  Yeah, okay, imminence is a clue among hundreds or thousands of others.  But I’ve spent time considering both sides of the argument and so far —->  meaningless, or at least grossly inconclusive.  I think I’ll just wait until afterward up there, and then if still interested, which I may not be, I could proclaim, “Oh yeah.  So and so was right on.  Oh well.”

      Please though, I think for others to have the opportunity to examine for themselves the nuances conceivable, it is great that we can pose such questions and find great websites to poke up alternatives so easily.

      Maybe there’s a better explanation —> I’m just old now and willing / wanting / to remain set in my thoughts and assumptions.

      Okay, forget all that high brow prattle.  Here’s an honest admission, the clincher for me relative to that article today, but ask me again next August.  The next Feast of Trumpets is in September and is simply too long to wait!!

      (Phew!  What a catharsis for me — to honestly and finally get today’s deeply felt bias out on the table!!)  :mail: :unsure: :yes:

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8947
      Tammie
      Participant

      Wow, my whitestone that was a pen full :mdrmdr:

      according to Acts 17:31 “because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”

      I bring this up, not that it speaks to the rapture of the church but it states that God fixed the day…. He has everything perfectly planned out….

      Having given birth a few times, I knew the baby would, eventually come as soon as the nine months came, but I did not have the exact day available to me, I could feel and see the physical preparation of my body (the convergence of signs), to allow the birth process….when the time did come, it came suddenly, without warning, the birth pains started and I knew, it was different from the preparation labor pains and they did not stop, but intensified until the baby was born. I say all that to say, even though I hold to an imminent return, God has fixed that day! The convergence of preparation is upon us, soon. Nothing new here, my two cents. :prayer-hands:

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8954
      yhwhtalmidah
      Participant

      TR, I understand your questioning Jesus and the rapture of the church having a connection to a “Jewish” feast day, but I still don’t think they can be separated based on Jesus’ past actions. Jesus died hours before the feast of Passover, thus fulfilling the requirement of being our Passover lamb. He fulfilled the feast of unleavened bread (see: http://nct-blog.ptstn.org/2015/10/14/how-did-christ-jesus-fulfill-the-feast-of-unleavened-bread-feasts-4/ ). Jesus rose to life again on the feast of First-fruits. And he sent the Holy Spirit to the church on the feast of Pentecost. I still see the connection, not just between God and the feasts (thus the Jews being the “bride of God”), but also between Jesus and the church. His death, burial, and resurrection plus his promised gift of the Holy Spirit all happened on feast days. Why then would we say the last three feasts don’t have a connection to Jesus, the rapture of the church, and other unfulfilled prophecy?

      Mywhitestone… I know!!!! I don’t want to wait until Sept 2020 either… I would love to be way off in my thinking and see us going up during Hanukkah because that’s less than two weeks away. I would love to see us going up in the spring of 2020 if not during Hanukkah… but if FoT is following the pattern of feast fulfillment, then I am praying that we all hang on until Sept 2020 and hoping that it is the rapture!

      I love everyone’s input and speculations… not a theologian here, but still trying to discern what I study… thanks for reading and responding… even if you think I’m bonkers! :rose: :heart:

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8956
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Indeed good points you bring up.  Following that line of thinking then, Pentecost would most certainly be the most likely as it is only a partial fulfillment.  And being the middle candle in the Menorah!  Again, many days stand as likely candidates.  As such, I refuse to be dogmatic about picking only one!

      Point is, I’m trying to default to God’s sovereign will.  Whatever day He chooses I’m good with.  I can just imagine the Rapture occurring on a non Feast day and seeing bewilderment and disappoint mixed with unspeakable joy!

      I’m with you, I’m no theologian either.  God didn’t make me smart, just one of many believers.  The fact that we have been given that Blessed Hope to begin with is reason for thanksgiving!

      TR

       

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8957
      tenderreed
      Participant

      With all that being said, I’m excited by the prospect for this Christmas because of the overlapping of Hanukkah and Christmas!

      God could be killing two birds with one stone, as it were!  Pardon the analogy.

      TR

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

       

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8960
      yhwhtalmidah
      Participant

      Definitely okay with Hanukkah being a rapture watch date, plus Pentecost… these both come well before feast of trumpets… and don’t get me wrong, I would LOVE the rapture to be today and tomorrow at the latest… I wish it truly was and would happily be bewildered and then completely overjoyed at being wrong in my personal interpretation… because it would mean being in heaven with Jesus 9-10 months sooner! I just keep praying for the strength to continue each day I wake up still on earth. :wacko: :scratch:

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8961
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Amen to that!

      It’s all about Him and His love for us!   All we can do is patiently wait for Him.  I agree, may the Lord grant us all the grace to continue until He calls us home!

      TR

       

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8965
      Lee Giblin
      Participant

      Well my newest date is tomorrow, actually tonight.   Full Moon 12/12 at 12:12 am Jerusalem time!  Hope to meet y’all soon!   If not 12/23 will do…. maybe a 10 day wait?

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8968
      tenderreed
      Participant

      May the Lord be blessed by our desire for Him!

      Again, I do so look forward to being with Jesus, and all of you as well!

      Love & blessings….TR

      avataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8980
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      but if FoT is following the pattern of feast fulfillment, then I am praying that we all hang on until Sept 2020 and hoping that it is the rapture!

      In his book “The Oracle” Jonathan Cahn has a very compelling argument for the Rapture taking place on Nisan 1. I have always held to the view of FoT but not anymore.

      avataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #8981
      yhwhtalmidah
      Participant

      Yohanan, so Nisan 1 is sometime around the end of March and beginning of April depending on which hebrew calendar you check? I’ll have to look into what Rabbi Cahn says about it. Is he a pre-tribber? I thought I read somewhere that he believed we went through the rapture, but that might be mixed up with other prophecy teachers… I get them mixed up at times… information overload at times I reckon.

      avataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #9020
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      Hi yhwhtalmidah,

      Jonathan Cahn is a pretribber. I haven’t finished the book yet but it is an excellent read. He does his research well.

      Yes, I believe it is April 1 (how appropriate would the Rapture be on the Day of Fools!)

      avataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #9037
      tenderreed
      Participant

      In any event whenever the Rapture occurs, it will still be filled with the unceasing brightness of His glory.  Kinda like a white Christmas every day of eternity!

      Because of Christ’s birth we shall forever be giving presents even throughout eternity, IMHO!

      TR

      avataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #9052
      yhwhtalmidah
      Participant

      So I did not realize how many books Rabbi Cahn had written. I read The Harbinger years back. I am starting with The Mystery of the Shemitah and going to read through the other books so I have a better context before jumping into The Oracle. Looks like some fun Christmas break reading!

      avataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #9184
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Although I’m not (feeling it) or expecting the Rapture during this Christmas season, it would certainly be a most liberating surprise!

      Trying to zone in on the day of the Rapture IMHO, is kinda like God playing hide and seek with us all!

      May the Lord’s heart be satisfied in all things.  All things according to His perfect will and plans!  As such, all the greater blessed shall we all be!

      TR

      avataravataravataravataravatar
      • #9202
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Yeah … I’m not feeling it either for 2019, however, we still might get a pleasant surprise :whistle:

        I don’t have rapture dreams but I sometimes ask the Lord for signs … and today while driving to the post office … I asked the Lord if the rapture is going to happen VERY soon.

        This time no men’s dress suit laying in the parking lot … however, inside the post office they have this huge bin to toss your junk mail and magazines in.  As I was walking past it this magazine cover really caught my attention …

        This put a smile on my face as I picked it up … but that’s not all … the magazine right underneath it was the clincher that made me  burst into giggles of joy!   :mdrmdr: :mdrmdr:   What are the odds of both magazines being on top of each other like this?

         

        avataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #9204
      Earthangel
      Participant

      Geri, that was a God wink for sure!  Thanks for sharing.   Makes me think maybe the rapture could still be this year!?

      avataravataravataravataravatar
      • #9207
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Yep definitely a God wink. ;-)    I can kick myself though for not being more specific in saying will the rapture happen in 2019 or 2020.  Well, we know the Lord has a sense of humor. :yes:

        In the Departures magazine its a whole bunch of exotic hot vacation spots.  Such beautiful destinations and yet our heavenly home is going to be sooo much better than this old sin cursed world.  I can’t wait to leave this all behind!  The best is yet to be for all of us!  I’m not going to give up on 2019 … we still have 8 days left … if its not Hanukkah or Christmas … perhaps its New Year’s Eve?

        avataravataravataravataravatar
    • #9209
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Great find Sis!   Silly girl, ask the Lord to be specific!

      Being a gentile, I can hear myself saying:  What’s a Hanukkah?!  Heavenly language for GONE!

      Just became a great grandpa for the third time yesterday.  My oh My!  Her name is Hosanna!

      TR

      avataravataravataravataravataravatar
      • #9211
        Geri7
        Blocked

        This morning I  finished writing out Christmas cards (yeah I’m late this year but got them out before Christmas Eve  hee hee).  Some of the people I wrote to lost loved ones this year – a husband, a daughter, etc. so I was trying to encourage them all of the soon great reunion in the air. So that is why I was asking the Lord today but just wasn’t expecting a response so quickly.  I’m now wondering if my guardian angel was up to some sneaky tricks in rearranging those magazines? B-)

        Very interesting that Hanukkah means “GONE!”  I was just looking at the dates … even though it started last night …. the holiday doesn’t end until Monday evening, Dec 30th … and if we are not GONE by then … there’s always the next evening … New Year’s eve. While the unsaved party and get drunk … perhaps the church does a disappearing act?  :whistle:

        Woohoo …. congrats grandpa!  Hosanna … what a beautiful name!  Looks like you guys are already enjoying an early Christmas! :yes:

        avataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #9213
      tenderreed
      Participant

      I’d rather celebrate the Rapture!  But Christmas has always been beloved by me.

      Once again God’s goodness always amazes me!

      Personal blessings to you Sis, and your loved ones.  May the Lord grant an Angel to kiss your cheek!

      TR

      avataravataravataravataravatar
    • #9233
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      Congratulations TR!

      Geri, if you had asked for a more specific date then you my have received an Einsteinian puzzle as a reply ;)

      avataravataravataravataravataravatar
      • #9237
        Geri7
        Blocked

        LOL  the way my prayers are getting answered I think you’re right Yohanan … it would be a secret coded  “Einsteinian puzzle of a reply” in return.  The thing is I’m not even picky about the date … I would be thrilled and just satisfied with knowing only “thee rapture year”.   I can just see it now though when going back to the post office … and finding:  an old 2019 calendar along with a brand new one that’s a  2 year 2020/2021 calendar right underneath that some rich guy or corporation didn’t want.  This would be me :cry:  in total frustration!

        Say … how about I leave that task for someone else to pray for … and be on alert to how the Lord answers?  Perhaps you will be more successful and can share?   :whistle:

        avataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #9253
      tenderreed
      Participant

      You all know that I’ve already opted for a universal divine disclosure.  This way no one’s ego gets involved  and no one but God can take credit.

      TR

       

      avataravataravataravataravatar
      • #9256
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Hey I’m all for that universal divine disclosure with the high watch date! :good:   What an exciting confirmation that would be to all come up with it at the same time!   Hmmm … I wonder now could part of the blockage problem have been from not drinking our daily quota of Ovaltine to keep our minds sharp and alert to every mi-NUTE clue?   B-)

        avataravataravataravataravatar
    • #9262
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Wonder when Hanukkah ends?  Survived but one more Christmas here on Earth!

      Surely the next six months will give us all a better picture of the Lord’s plans.  We must continue in the Lord’s grace and mercies.  Perhaps He will refrain from using the “pause” button too often.    Rapture in 2020 and His second coming in 2027, those numbers work for me!

      Whenever the Lord is ready I always expected to go out with a bang, rather than a whimper.  Seems like the longer our wait, the less bang I have!  Even so Lord, come quickly!  The Lord’s goodness just keeps me going.

      TR

       

       

      avataravataravataravataravatar
    • #9279
      Earthangel
      Participant

      I think the universal divine disclosure will be the last trump.

      1 Corinthians 15:51-52 American Standard Version (ASV)51 Behold, I tell you a mystery:We all shall not sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

      avataravataravataravataravataravataravatar
    • #9305
      tenderreed
      Participant

      A very appropriate application for sure.  But just as like the call at midnight, there may be a short span of time between the Trumpet blast and the Rapture.  In any event, my theory has long been that the Lord will indeed be very specific with regards to His Bride!

      Well now we can knock off this year’s Hanukkah date off the watch list.  Again there does seem to be a lot of “intended” ambiguity with the Rapture’s exact timing.  Faith will indeed get us to Heaven’s gate but the Lord must still lead us the rest of the way!

      TR

       

      avataravataravatar
      • #9310
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Whaaat?  “… we can knock off this year’s Hanukkah date off the watch list” … but the holiday is not over with yet.  We still have until Monday, Dec 30th at sundown. :mail:    Or are you only going by the middle of the candelabra lighting being symbolic for the church rapture day?

        I agree with ya about expecting more of a universal heads up notice besides when the Trumpet blows.  In fact I expect our pets and the animals outside to give us a heads up.  They have such good hearing … my dog can hear the train coming long before I can.  He stops what he is doing and runs to the front window to jump up on the wooden bench.  As he is  looking out the window he then starts howling like a wolf.  Then I start hearing the train and the horn blast.  I expect the same thing to happen at the time of the rapture. B-)

        I’m still pondering this passage … “peace and safety” “sudden destruction” ”not appointed to wrath” but we are commanded to “watch” and “be sober”.   So do we need to hear the peace and safety speech?  Since we are not appointed to wrath looks like we get raptured out prior to the G/M war and/or Psalm 83 war?  Or are we out of here loooong before all these events unfold?  :unsure:

        I Thessalonians 5

        2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

        3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

        4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

        5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

        6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

        7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

        8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

        9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

         

        avataravataravataravataravatar
    • #9332
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      I still believe there will be no notice. I believe we will be transformed instantly. One moment we’re here and the next, in a twinkle of the eye we will be transformed. I like surprise parties! ;)

      avataravataravataravatar
      • #9338
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Well … I agree with you partially that the transformation process is instantly quick. :good:

        I disagree though on not getting a heads up notice since we all already have invitations to the King of king’s wedding and banquet feast … I lean we will know the actual day as it approaches.  The clues will be unscrambled and crystal clear then … plus officially today I’m adding the Ovaltine powder into my hot chocolate drinks for more alertness :scratch:  to the clues since  I despise surprise parties :negative:

        With that said … I pressed the like button but its technically just a half like. ;-)   Perhaps Richard can create a broken heart button to indicate half likes? B-)

        avataravataravataravatar
    • #9342
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Indeed the change will take place in a twinkling, but if we review the whole of the teaching we can easily see the passage of time as the full picture shows an obvious sequence of events.  Just like counting 1,2,3 in that the time it takes to count 1,2 and three don’t happen simultaneously!

      TR

      avataravatar
    • #9373
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      Perhaps but it doesn’t explain away Matt 24:36 and 24:42. The Greek word “hora” is translated into English as “hour” but the very same word is used in Luke 2:38 to mean “instant”. So if Jesus doesn’t know the instant of His return, how could we?

      avatar
    • #9377
      Geri7
      Blocked

      Ok … after 3 cups of  hot cocoa … here are my thoughts :wacko:

      Even though Enoch is a type of the church by suddenly disappearing before the flood judgment … I don’t think he was given the warning to watch, to stay alert.  Unless he was by personal conversations with the Lord that we just don’t know about? :unsure:  Then we have God telling Daniel to seal up the book until the time of the end.  We all can agree we are living in the last of the last days so the Lord wants us to be knowledgeable and to look out for clues and to try to figure out his return date. :mail:   I think He is going to make it clear as we see the day approaching.  It will be so obvious and shinning in our faces for all those who were faithfully watching :popcorn … like the Bethlehem star was for the 3 wisemen. :whistle:   Meanwhile the believers who have their heads in the sand and weren’t the least bit interested in prophetic  news will be caught off guard and will be ashamed at Jesus coming because they wasted time collecting burnable treasures.  But they will still be raptured out … once saved always saved.   Also we are promised a Crown for longing for His appearing … was Enoch promised a Crown?  And how about the O.T. Saints?  Or is that Crown only reserved for the Church Age believers? :unsure:

      Jesus not knowing the day or the hour.

      Luke 2
      And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. They found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
      And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers. And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

      I’m leaning towards God the Father kept that date from His knowledge so that people wouldn’t get discourage and not go about the Great Commission.  How  discouraging would it have been if Jesus did reveal to his disciples He wasn’t coming back until year 2020? They would have been shell shocked.  He knew his disciples would have then gone back to their nasty trade of fishing vs. being a fisher of men. The Lord is a rewarder to them that diligently seek Him so we know He is going to enjoy handing out crowns to his sheep so that is probably why He is keeping back the special day.  However … I‘m leaning towards that special day will be revealed when our work here is done and that last Gentile/Jew gets saved … we will have special knowledge from the clues we’ve been given just like the 3 Wisemen figured out the arrival of Christ’s birth.  I think it will be a short calm before the storm … just like Noah and his family got a 7 day warning (Gen 7:4) before the rain started … I think it will the same calm before the tribulation storm … but will it be a 1 day, 3 day, 5 day or 7 day notice to be ready and stay alert while eating popcorn or cracker jacks!!!!    :popcorn :popcorn :popcorn :popcorn :popcorn :popcorn :popcorn :popcorn

       

      avataravatar
    • #9383
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Bless your heart Sis.  May we all hold on till the very end, whenever that might be.

      May our “midnight” call which ends one day and begins a new one, be given to us that we may prepare our hearts.  One dispensation ends, another begins!  Our lives here on Earth end, and our new life in Heaven begins.  Our lives here are terminal now, then to be changed into eternal!

      For all that the Lord hath done and will do, bless His holy name!  Bless His name for who He is!  Blessing the trinity’s heart which is marvelous!

      TR

      avataravatar
Viewing 41 reply threads
  • You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

Pin It on Pinterest