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    • #11272
      Geri7
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      Interesting article here regarding the horses and the rapture connection.  And from the sources this writer uses there is a strong possibility that people in Enoch’s day did see him get taken up. Just wondering your thoughts on the horses and rapture connection.   :feedback

      I Saw The Horses :: By Jeff Van Hatten
      Published on: March 1, 2020 by RaptureReady

      Scripture is filled with narratives about horses and chariots, but few have ever realized that horses play an integral part in a rapture. Both scripture and other books clearly show that each rapture witnessed by others was also accompanied by horses. Let’s take a closer look:

      Elijah and The Fiery Horses

      2 Kings 2:11-12 – “As they were walking and talking, a chariot and horses of fire appeared and separated Elijah from Elisha. Then Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind and Elisha cried out, My father, my father – the chariots and steeds of Israel.”

      After visiting two schools of prophets, Elisha followed Elijah across the Jordan and then watched him enter the chariot and ascend into Heaven while fifty of the prophets watched from a distance as they stood by the Jordan River (2 Kings 2:7). When Elijah was raptured (taken up) in a whirlwind, he ascended into heaven in the accompaniment of horses [sûs סוּס H5483] of fire! Seeing this, Elisha cried out: “The chariots and steeds [parash פָּרָשׁ H6571] of Israel.” Elisha and fifty others were witness to this rapture accompanied by horses of fire.

      Yeshua and His White Horse

      Luke 24:51 – “And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.”

      Acts 1:10-11a – “And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel who said, ‘You men of Galilee, why are you gazing up into heaven’?”

      Acts 1:11b – “Yeshua will return in exactly the same way as you watched him ascend into heaven.”

      Revelation 19:11 – “Next I saw heaven opened, and there before me was a white horse and sitting on it was the one called Faithful and True.”

      According to Luke 24:51, when Yeshua was raptured, he was carried into heaven; and Acts 1:11 then informs us he returns the same way. In order to find out how he was carried, we have to go to Revelation 19:11 which tells us that Yeshua returns on a white horse. Therefore, there can be absolutely no doubt that Yeshua was raptured on the back of a horse – most likely the same white horse which will carry him back at his second coming. The apostles were witnesses to his rapture accompanied by his white horse.

      Do We Have A Third Witness?

      Scripture does not give us any qualifications about the two or more witnesses other than they must be honest about their testimony. Genesis, Jude, and Peter all quote from the Book of Enoch which tells us that Enoch also was accompanied by horses and whose rapture was witnessed by many. Perhaps we do have a third witness, so let’s take a closer look at this account:

      Enoch and The Flying Horse

      Jasher 3:36 – “Enoch ascended into Heaven in a whirlwind with horses and chariots of fire.”

      We know from Genesis 5:24 that Enoch was raptured (taken) by Yahweh. We also know from the Book of Enoch 81:5-6 that Enoch was taken from the midst of his children. Jasher 3:34 tells us that some of the king’s men remained with Enoch when he went to the place where he was to be raptured, Jasher 3:36tells us that Enoch was raptured in a whirlwind in the accompaniment of horses and chariots of fire, andJasher 3:27 tells us that the horse paced in the air, waiting for Enoch to climb aboard! Enoch’s children and the king’s men were witnesses to his rapture accompanied by horses of fire.

      Question: Do Horses Accompany the Bride in Her Rapture?

      1 Thessalonians 4:17 – “Then we who are alive, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. So we will be with the Lord forever.”

      Revelation 19:14 – “The armies which are in heaven followed Yeshua on white horses.”

      Scripture tells us that there is an army of people that follows Yeshua, all of whom are riding on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, at his return. Among these people are the previously raptured Bride of Yeshua. Since the Bride meets Yeshua in the air, and returns in the air on white horses, it is safe to envision that when they are raptured, they will be accompanied by horses just as were Enoch, Elijah, and Yeshua. No doubt the people who are the Bride of Yeshua will be watched, too, as they ascend on their white horses.

      Conclusions

      Enoch was the first to be raptured, and that event set the pattern for all future raptures in scripture – all involve horses. Enoch was raptured in a whirlwind in the accompaniment of chariots and horses of fire. Elijah was the second to be raptured in a whirlwind in the accompaniment of chariots and horses of fire. Yeshua was raptured and carried to heaven by a white horse – no doubt the same white horse on which he will ride at his second coming.

      Therefore, I conclude that the Bride of Yeshua will be raptured and accompanied by horses as well. Enoch, Elijah, and Yeshua were witnessed as they were raptured. No doubt, so too will be the Bride. What do you say?

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    • #11283
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Interesting and thought provoking, but I don’t see ample evidence that horses will be around at the Rapture.  This is simply an assumption on our part.

      That said, the Rapture will no less glorious without the horses.  And no more glorious with them!

      TR

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    • #11287
      David W. Roche
      Moderator

      The ascension of Christ described in the gospels does not mention horses; it says He was taken up out of their sight.  I would not describe this as a “rapture,” as the word implies “to seize with force.”  It is not relevant that Jesus returns with the saints on white horses at the end.  There is no mention of us riding horses when we are “caught up” into the clouds.

      Jesus did not require a white horse to take Him up to the Father; He is Lord.  He can go anywhere at will, on His own.

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    • #11288
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Many years ago I was accused of having just enough scriptural knowledge to get me into trouble.  Sadly, that is still the case!

      TR

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      • #11290
        Geri7
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        LOL … but this is how we learn. :yes:

        I agree with David I don’t see the horse appearing in the Acts 1:11 account … only at the 2nd Coming being on horses … but I was intrigue about this writer’s theory of Enoch’s sudden departure and perhaps having eye witnesses?  But how credible can we rely on the book of Jasher or book of Enoch if they are not canonized …

         

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    • #11292
      tenderreed
      Participant

      No doubt that as an historical record they may contain a modicum of truth.  But they just didn’t simply advance the cause of Christ.

      We are told that the Word of God is profitable in many ways.  Correction, reproof, exhortation, doctrine and even to the bringing of conviction.  That said, I think the Word’s greatest asset is that it reveals God’s heart!  This is what I glean for when reading the Word!

      Certainly it is not given for private interpretation!  In any event I am saved by God’s blood and grace, not by my intellect.

      TR

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    • #11301
      David W. Roche
      Moderator

      https://www.compellingtruth.org/book-of-Jasher.html

      There was once a Book of Jasher.  There isn’t any reason to think what exists now is the one from the Bible.

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    • #11313
      Tammie
      Participant

      So as much as I love the idea of riding a horse and having a chestnut mare about 19 hands high accompany me to heaven, scripture does not back the presented article. The book of Enoch and Jasper are good historical reads, but they are not God’s Word. They can be in the same class as Hammurabi’s Law, which is what some believe is what Moses developed the Torah from instead of giving God the glory for giving the law to Israel. Every turn, satan tries to twist truth. Yet another sign of the last days, sway from, add to, take away from God’s Truth. :prayer-hands:

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    • #11321
      MyWhiteStone
      Participant

      Enoch and Elijah didn’t directly ride the horses; instead they climbed into fiery chariots.  No?  And were they just passengers or were they actually involved in directing the horses using fiery reins… :good: :mail:

      Would the dead in Christ who rise first also need fiery chariots, or would they be reserved just for us rapturees?   And how many resurrectees or rapturees could we get into a single chariot?  :unsure:   Maybe that would be like the question, “How many angels can you fit on the head of a pin?”  :mdrmdr:

      Also, a fiery horse would not be able to eat hay.  Just as soon as they bent over their lips would set it ablaze.  Right?  :unsure:

      Naw – too much trouble.  Don’t want to go there.  Whatever gets my new body off the ground I presume will be invisible.  Some force, maybe electromagnetic in nature.  I’m hoping not to have and need wings. :whistle: :negative:

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    • #11323
      Arthur
      Participant

      The Rapture is serious business. No horsing around! :whistle:

       

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      • #11324
        MyWhiteStone
        Participant

        Hahahahaha!  Good one, Arthur!  :mdrmdr: :mdrmdr:

        What did Donald Trump used to say?  “You’re fired!”  But I’ll bet he never said that to a horse.

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    • #11328
      tenderreed
      Participant

      God is pure light.  And as our bodies are transformed it could be done through the vehicle of particle light.  Then we shall beam up as a light beaming into the Heavens.

      I have always maintained that the Rapture is a personal and intimate moment in time when Bridegroom and Bride are united.  The unbelieving world will see evidence of our departure, while yet it being hidden from them!

      Though Enoch and Elijah as well as Christ were seen when lifted off the Earth, I think this was done for the benefit of believers!  That we may know our end and the direction of our departure.  The world who has been blinded by their sin will not be able to witness our escape.  IMHO!  Again this will be an intimate rendezvous.

      TR

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    • #11333
      Geri7
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      Hmmm …  a flaming chariot with a horse power engine :scratch:

      “suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.”

      A whirlwind sounds an awful lot like a tornado with lots of clouds and aren’t we meeting the Lord in the clouds?   :whistle:    And didn’t the Lord use a pillar of cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night to guide the Israelites during their exodus?   So could it be the same thing for our exodus as well?

      And personal chariots sure sound good … it would then have plenty of room for those who have domestic animals they want to bring up to heaven. :whistle:

      Swing low, sweet chariot
      Coming for to carry me home,
      Swing low, sweet chariot,
      Coming for to carry me home.
      I looked over Jordan, and what did I see
      Coming for to carry me home?
      A band of angels coming after me,
      Coming for to carry me home.

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    • #11372
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Again, this brings up the question, will those that are left behind also physically see us rise into the clouds, or not?!

      I’ve expressed my opinion on the matter, what say You?!

      TR

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      • #11374
        Geri7
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        I’m leaning the left behind will see our departure :good:

        They probably won’t hear the command “come up here” because Jesus says “my sheep hear my voice” so the unsaved will probably only hear loud thunder …

        But picture this scenario … they are looking up at the sky as we leave and immediately after we are out of sight … BAM the demonic UFO’s come down.  It will be sooo easy for satan to deceive the world into claiming the aliens took us away vs them not seeing with their own eyes that we flew away.  Now I’m wondering if the flying vehicle that takes us home is some type of UFO aircraft … long silver airplane “wings of eagles?” B-)   Because satan is a copycat … if the demons are using UFO’s then God has the angels using them as well.

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    • #11376
      David W. Roche
      Moderator

      https://sacred-texts.com/bib/boe/boe017.htm

      I am not endorsing anything, only noting that this is an ancient literary account of a trip in what would appear to be a flying vehicle.

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    • #11381
      Olaf
      Participant

      2 Witnesses?

      Rev.11:11. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
      12. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

      Rev.12:14. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
      Rev.13:6. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and THEM that dwell in heaven.

      [Whom does he KNOW DWELLING in Heaven? Elsewhere in Revelation it is ANGELS = Angels]

      Helicopters or Quad-copters = Sound like horses running, Wings like women’s hair in Ponytails?

      Rev.9:7. And the shapes of the locusts [were] like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads [were] as it were crowns like gold, and their faces [were] as the faces of men.
      8. And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as [the teeth] of lions.
      9. And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings [was] as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
      10. And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power [was] to hurt men five months. (Sting – Looking Tail rotors?)

      Multiple warhead Missiles? = Snake-like? Killing 1/3 of Humanity?

      Rev.9:18. By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.
      19. For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails [were] like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

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    • #11383
      Tammie
      Participant

      Personally, I believe that they will see you in one twinkle and then they won’t see anyone the next twinkle. There in is why they will believe the strong delusion, for if they see you go up, it might awaken the knowledge that you were right and the rapture just occurred. I think the whole world knows the word “rapture” and so they scoff at our faith in Christ return.
      next, the verse in I Cor. 15:53 “For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality” – not a uncommon passage in chapter 15 beginning with verse 51….I believe that the putting on will occur in that twinkle, then I won’t need a horse or anything to rise up to see my Jesus… Just my opinion. :prayer-hands:

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    • #11386
      tenderreed
      Participant

      And their enemies beheld them!  I could be wrong about the Rapture being witnessed.  If it is, it could cause many to desire the same and make a decision for Christ!

      But seeing one or two people as opposed to billions disappear could be another matter.  Now I am on the fence and in the air with regards to this issue.  Hmmm

      TR

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      • #11389
        Geri7
        Blocked

        I noticed there is at least 1 believer in the immediate family or within distant relatives.  So when that believer and children get snatched out … they will know and finally believe the rapture was true after all.

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