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    • #116330
      Boulder95
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        That for some reason God will restore the World to Peace before the Rapture and that the Good Guys or “White Hats” will restore power before the Tribulation starts?

        No where in scripture does it say there will be any restoration before the rapture or the 7 year tribulation.

        I would love to see it but in my opinion it just isnt going to happen.

        In my opinion

        We may see the global collapse and the formation of the 10 Kings but that’s it.

        Maybe the destruction of Damascus before the Rapture.

        This dream that Trump will be back in power is an allusion.

      • #116333
        Yohanan
        Moderator

          Agreed!

        • #116334
          Rick Jones
          Member

            What I have seen going on since 2020 is Trump and his followers have implemented a convergence toward a solution that masks God’s real solution. If you try to bring up the coming rapture in Truth Social there is no response, it’s MAGA or nothing. Trump even mentions NCSWIC, “Nothing Can Stop What Is Coming” which implies God’s solution, but never actually calls it that. It’s a mask which brings false hope.

            The harm it’s causing is that MAGA followers that don’t know Jesus are not getting any insight to the real solution.

            A hope that I have is that the rapture will be drawn out over ten days. Seven days for each of the 7 churches to give up their dead bringing attention to nonbelievers and then 3 days for those who remain to witness to their neighbors, a mass revival.

          • #116336
            Kent
            Member

              Some are waiting for Trump and the military to swoop in and save the day. Supposedly he “has it all” as far as the data collected against the Deep State regarding the stolen election, and that he set up continuity of government with executive orders before he left office. I believe the corruption runs wide and deep, and all of that is wishful thinking. In the meantime the US swirls down and down. Our real Savior is the Lord. Keep looking up and up!

            • #116339
              Greg
              Member

                The enemy plays off both sides to keep people lost.  Also, I do believe much of what we see is conditioning to force a desired outcome.  The Hegelian dialectic at work.  Thesis/antithesis/synthesis.  Explains a lot of how the current world structure actually works.

              • #116341
                Terry
                Member

                  Tyler said we’re in the days of Lot; nobody’s going to make Sodom great again.

                • #116342
                  Yohanan
                  Moderator

                    nobody’s going to make Sodom great again.

                    Exactly!!

                  • #116346
                    KolleenWStone
                    Moderator

                      Rick: What I have seen going on since 2020 is Trump and his followers have implemented a convergence toward a solution that masks God’s real solution.

                      Trump is a believer! Looking at the fruit of who has proven he is a patriot who loves God, this Nation and it’s people, is it the Dem’s, the Deep State – or Trump!

                      Trumps “followers” are those who follow God first I believe. They know God is for them and not against them! And they see that fruit also in Trump, loving God, Country and mankind. Trump has matured in the Faith since he became President, but does he have full grasp and knowledge of these end times, the Rapture, the Trib…I don’t know. There is not one of us who does not sin with our tongues, and it is God Who looks upon our hearts, and therefore upon Trumps heart.

                      He is not the one attempting to be god! To gain followers unto himself. To draw people to himself to mask God’s will so that Trump can draw all men to himself! I am a follower of God and Trump! To say that of Trump is to say that of anyone who favors him – over the Deep State and their fruit?!

                      I believe what is missed is that Trump is not broadcasting MAGA in the sense you imply. For the People, by the People and of the People – Trump is saying with the talents God has given him, and the love in his heart for this Nation and it’s patriots, he has the ability knowledge and means to give this land back to us, stopping those who undermining and stealing it. He is not in this for political gain or evil control.

                      If he is not versed in end time prophecy to a great depth, then that is what he would and should say, having a belief in God, and belief in the strengths God has given him to lead people out of destructive powers, and back in to safer freedoms. He is a strong leader who knows his capabilities which are not sinister plans against the people. He is a President – not a pastor; not a biblical teacher. It’s any presidents job to lead the country; it’s the pastors jobs to teach biblical truths. He speaks from confidence and faith in the gifting’s God has given him, to work to bring Peace where he can for the sake of God, goodness and freedom for all.

                      As far as implying the Lost not hearing about the real solution as though the Trump focus keeps them from seeing God as the true and only solution –  that’s just why God mixes the saved with the unsaved, to spread the Word! Because the unsaved see the Light in others and they want that! They see people taking a stand for God first off, and for righteousness sake secondly. Which are the very roads and kinds of situations God uses to draw all men unto Him. So a good prayer would be that many are found through the faith of all the Believers, as the saved and lost “Trump followers” mingle.

                      I can’t speak for every heart of those who “follow” Trump, but it surely appears to me that there is a definite God-fearing difference that they recognize between good and evil between Trump and the likes of the Deep State clan I dare say!

                      The truth, the fruit, the heart, discernment; and trust that God is working His power and plans through frail men, is good.

                       

                    • #116349
                      Yohanan
                      Moderator

                        My understanding was that he was calling out the MAGA followers who think Trump will defeat the global elitist and usher in a new golden era of peace and prosperity. In other words, the Q Anon adherents.

                      • #116350
                        KolleenWStone
                        Moderator

                          I see nothing of that in Ricks post.

                           

                        • #116352
                          KolleenWStone
                          Moderator

                            Boulder, this might help from Grace through Faith:

                            When someone gives a prophecy that disagrees with the Bible, we’re supposed to believe the Bible. It doesn’t speak of a last days revival before the rapture. It says in the last days many who previously appeared to be part of the church will fall away 2 Thess, 2:3.

                            Some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits 1 Tim. 4:1, while others will have only a form of godliness but will deny its power. 2 Tim. 3:1-5  They will not put up with sound doctrine and will turn their ears away from the Truth to follow myths. 2 Tim. 4:3-4 What remains of the true Church will have little strength. Rev. 3:8  These prophecies have been coming true right before our eyes in the Western Church (Europe and the US) for years now.

                            There does seem to be a great move of the Holy Spirit in places where the gospel has not made inroads in the past. We hear reports out of Africa, the Middle East, India, China, and other places to confirm this.

                            Revival means bringing new life to something that’s has been dying, so what’s happening in the East technically isn’t a revival. I believe God is issuing a supernatural ‘last call’ around the world before He takes the Church home in the rapture.

                             

                          • #116354
                            Kent
                            Member

                              Kolleen, I really appreciate what you are saying about President Trump. I was stunned when President Trump “lost” the election. I was even more dismayed with the January 6 debacle (I pray daily for the release of the political prisoners and call Congress often), and the subsequent refusal by courts and state legislators to examine all of the election “irregularities.” (AKA theft). I appreciated President Trump’s presidency: energy independence, prosperity, and peace. He supported Right to Life, talked about God and family a lot, and is the only president to attend the January Right to Life event in DC. So he had a few mean tweets. Look who he was dealing with!

                              Anyway, I don’t think my post reflected my true regards for him. It sadly reflects my recent lack of hope in a Trump comeback. I just am afraid that there is too much corruption across the political spectrum, and am thinking there aren’t enough people in important places to help him pull a comeback off. It would be nice to see that before the Rapture. But God….

                            • #116360
                              Yohanan
                              Moderator

                                I think the bigger reason Trump will probably not be re-elected is because God has other plans, namely the rapture. Once that happens to world will be thrown into the Tribulation and America as we’ve known it will be gone. I do not see that bringing back American values is in God’s timetable. Like any God fearing Christian I want to live in a world of virtue and Judeo-Christian values but the time we are appointed to live in right now is as a witness to the closing of the Church age. We will get those values back when Christ is on the Throne on this earth in the Millennial Kingdom. Until that time I personally do not think we will see anything but a steady or even rapid decline in the country we once had.

                              • #116361
                                Rick Jones
                                Member

                                  When God blows his trumpet, it will be a different world. People will no longer know only know God through faith but through sight. If you don’t know it’s coming, then you will tremble.

                                • #116363
                                  KolleenWStone
                                  Moderator

                                    I so appreciate your comment Kent – truly!

                                    I pray also for the release of the J6 prisoners, and am sickened by the Left entangling and entrapping lawyers and so many others with their evil.

                                    Regarding Trumps tweets, I so agree with you – “look who he’s dealing with.” Could anyone of us deal with what he has had to! I believe God raised him up for these times.

                                    Like you, I agree too re: his comeback. The forces of hell are against his regaining the presidency, in every way shape and form. Including possible harm to him.

                                    We can hope this new UN Israeli Peace Plan news will result in the Rapture that will remove us all to finally be with Him!! :rose:

                                     

                                  • #116367
                                    Avatar photoDonna
                                    Member

                                      I so agree with you, Kolleen re:  Trump . .  as well, I ‘see’ Trump sheltered and kept fearless at the moment in Christ’s  Protection . .  . .  Seemingly Trump knows this.    Too, I have respect for Dr. Robert Jeffress and his support for Trump and his prayers  .

                                       

                                      I think it’s  such a cool thing how Trump’s mug shot helped his campaign.   So like our Lord to turn things around . . . .

                                    • #116470
                                      KolleenWStone
                                      Moderator

                                        So appreciate your comments Donna!! :rose:  

                                         

                                         

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