September 20, 2020 at 3:01 pm #37222bgkimbrParticipant
September 20, 2020 at 3:47 pm #37224
So, I for one, will have to agree to disagree with this version of JD. I understand what he is saying is written in the accord, but after listening to both Amir (who lives in Israel) and Jan, (Both Jewish and understanding how this must occur), I will agree with them, this division will not happen until AC comes on site and then Daniel’s prophecy will occur. It is part of Gods plan and for some reason JD is missing the piece that brings that to the forefront. At least he mentioned knowledge of the prophecy need to occur. Weird but exciting times we live in
September 23, 2020 at 9:49 am #37379
September 23, 2020 at 10:14 am #37380YohananModerator
JD believes this peace deal will divide Jerusalem. In the deal it states that East Jerusalem will be given to the Palestinians, which is not to be confused with dividing the old city of Jerusalem. It was worded that way to appease (the only thing in the deal that would) them. It would be similar to saying they would divide Washington DC but in reality they are getting Alexandria VA.
September 23, 2020 at 10:28 am #37382
September 23, 2020 at 10:32 am #37383
But isn’t that still dividing, or the possibility of it? Just trying to have a clear understanding! Thank you for your patience ❤️🌹It seems like this deal is highly controversial and JD read the whole document! I don’t listen much to Amir, but I think he is legit…I guess JD‘s and his opinion just differ! What a confusing mess, but the world 🌎 praises the deal…..🤔🧐
September 23, 2020 at 10:44 am #37385
The land gets divided under the AC’s rulership when he either confirms/makes stronger the Abrahamic Accords deal or creates his own.
As long as the Palestinians say NO to the Abrahamic Accords, which they are doing, and Trump said take 4 more years to think it over … there will be no dividing up any land.
September 23, 2020 at 10:39 am #37384
And then if you watch the latest Amir/Jack Hibb’s youtube … they are saying Trump’s Abrahamic Accords is the best thing for Israel. It’s fulfilling Bible prophecy … many Arab nations are now teaming up with Israel just like the Bible said it would in the last days and will make Israel have a false sense of security to have others around them as “friends”. The Saudi and company are afraid of Iran’s threats so they rather team up with Israel and have Israel and perhaps the US take care of that threat. Can’t blame them. Also Trump knows the Palestinians ways and will keep saying no to ANY deal no matter what so he told them to take 4 yrs to think over the deal Brilliant eh? Meanwhile Israel is becoming secured with their neighbors and becoming prosperous, at peace, etc. just ripe for the G/M attack, after the rapture, and will cause “the many” to say from the sidelines have you come to take spoil and only protest as they watch the Lord take care and protect Israel.
All this hast to happen and Trump is being lead to fulfill this prophecy to a T. I’m loving it Can’t stop the motion even if you have a notion… forget it.
September 23, 2020 at 11:05 am #37387
JesusGirl – Geri and Yohanan explained it very well, Trump or Kushner’s deal is brilliant- it is fulfilling Bible prophesy perfectly, how like God!
My disagreement with JD is simple, the nation will NOT be divided and this deal must go through or we are not going home yet! Israel must have peace and then we go home, then it all breaks loose ….
JD may have read the document, but he is not thinking like a Jew or keeping in mind the prophecy timeline … also from a business concept, Trump and Kushner nailed it —- basically, they are going around the Palestinians and using Arab “peer pressure” to move peace forward, although we all understand this is a short lived, albeit, false peace and will certainly clear the path for the AC to come forward —- but remember, we will NOT be here for that either … Keep your eye on Kushner, he is a person of great interest, and has some interesting “bed fellows” from his past that bare awareness. But again, we have no fears, connection, or anxiety related to his ongoing behaviors, cause this all has just opened the door for us to go now!
September 23, 2020 at 12:14 pm #37396
another take on this
if you wrote a document that violated God’s word, is it ok that you do that because no one goes along with it? is it no harm no foul? if lots of people peacefully agree with the document, is it no harm no foul?
that land that is Alexandria VA instead of Wash DC, is part of the promised land that Israel was commanded by God not to abandon to others. When the land is portioned out to the tribes by Jesus in Ezekiel 48, that area is claimed by Jesus to distribute as He wills.
Leviticus 25:23-25 New American Standard Bible
The Law of Redemption 23 ‘The land, moreover, shall not be sold permanently, for the land is Mine; for you are but aliens and sojourners with Me. 24 Thus for every piece of your property, you are to provide for the redemption of the land. 25 ‘If a fellow countryman of yours becomes so poor he has to sell part of his property, then his nearest kinsman is to come and buy back what his relative has sold.
God means what He says, and says what He means. Jesus returns and takes back the land. Jesus rids the land of all idolatry. It is because of Israel’s disobedience that they end up going through the tribulation. If they were in obedience to the Lord, not only would they accept Yeshua as their savior (which only some will eventually do), but they would destroy idol worship out of the land. instead, they (except for Jews who have believed in Jesus and are part of the church) reject Yeshua and welcome idolatry into the land, believing this makes them international, like the other nations, morally wonderful. its a great business and economy opportunity. they can strengthen security arrangement with the nations without obedience to God. more votes. there is enough room isn’t there for other gods to be worshipped on the temple mount? the God of Israel only needs a little space. doesn’t He? aren’t the plans good enough to be ok with God?
Deuteronomy 7:1 “When the Lord your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you, 2 and when the Lord your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them. 3 Furthermore, you shall not intermarry with them; you shall not give your daughters to their sons, nor shall you take their daughters for your sons.4 For they will turn your sons away from following Me to serve other gods; then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you and He will quickly destroy you. 5 But thus you shall do to them: you shall tear down their altars, and smash their sacred pillars, and hew down their Asherim, and burn their graven images with fire. 6 For you are a holy people to the Lord your God; the Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for His own possession out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth.
It is because of Israel’s disobedience to God that the time of Jacob’s trouble is ahead. The plan is not God’s way, it is man’s way for peace. Thank God that man’s disobedience does not stop Him from accomplishing His will on the earth. Thank God that He has given us the prophets and Revelation so that we know that God wins and the outline of how He wins.
JD has it correct, the plan is not godly.
Amir has it correct, there is a temporary peace at the time Ezekiel 38 begins.
The bible teachers that say this accord is an indication we are closer to the Lord’s coming are correct. Not because the plan architects are wise and have crafted a plan that is wonderful, but because Israel is in the sort of disobedience and false security that God told us ahead of time would be in place before the tribulation begins.
Deuteronomy 31:19-21 New American Standard Bible
19 “Now therefore, write this song for yourselves, and teach it to the sons of Israel; put it on their lips, so that this song may be a witness for Me against the sons of Israel. 20 For when I bring them into the land flowing with milk and honey, which I swore to their fathers, and they have eaten and are satisfied and become prosperous, then they will turn to other gods and serve them, and spurn Me and break My covenant. 21 Then it shall come about, when many evils and troubles have come upon them, that this song will testify before them as a witness (for it shall not be forgotten from the lips of their descendants); for I know their intent which they are developing today, before I have brought them into the land which I swore.”
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Isaiah 28:18 Your covenant with death will be dissolved, and your agreement with Sheol will not stand. When the overwhelming scourge passes through, you will be trampled by it. 19 As often as it passes through, it will carry you away; it will sweep through morning after morning, by day and by night.” The understanding of this message will bring sheer terror…
Daniel 12:6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? 7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. 8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. 11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. 12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. 13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
September 23, 2020 at 9:40 pm #37423
Thank you very much brothers and sisters! I have a much better understanding now! I appreciate all of you for sharing your wisdom! Yep, it seems like a two edged sword to me…it cuts either way. This deal definitely speeds things up visible for ALL to see that watch! Still praying and hoping for 2020 Rapture!
September 23, 2020 at 9:43 pm #37426
September 23, 2020 at 10:06 pm #37428
That was an excellent video by JD Farag. He used scripture and gave the message with compassion and humility.
These Abrahamic Accords are an abomination. I suspect JD Farag has been attacked for speaking against them and Trump.
JD Farag raises an excellent point. How would people react if it was Obama in office with this “peace” agreement. Yeah…
The trouble is that it’s a false dichotomy. They say, if you don’t support Trump then you support the evil liberal, communist left! Nonsense. Calvinists use the same approach. You aren’t Calvinist? Ok, you are Arminian. This too, is nonsense.
I am neither Calvinist or Arminian. I don’t support the radical left nor do I support Trump who clearly is pushing to divide Israel and advance the interfaith one would religion.
September 23, 2020 at 10:20 pm #37429
Amir Tsarfati has been brought up a number of times. I think he needs to put aside Bible prophecy and get back to Bible fundamentals.
For starters, stop touring with and ending his support for the New Apostolic Reformation Steve Berger who advocates and endorses necromancy.
September 24, 2020 at 1:11 am #37433
when my dad died many years ago, I dreamed of him talking to me. sometimes I would be in the house and all of a sudden his smell would be there. it was like he was in the room with me. I was a believer at the time and had to remind myself what the bible said, that there is a gulf between the living and the dead that we cannot cross. i remembered Lazarus and the rich man. Eventually these things stopped. my dad changed his mind about Jesus and was going to church at the time he died. I know he is saved and I will see him again in heaven. it isn’t and wasn’t scriptural that he could “visit” me after his death
September 24, 2020 at 8:21 am #37435
September 24, 2020 at 10:45 am #37439
Yep, the demons have the capability to take on the voices of our loved ones and friends. They can do the impersonation act of both male and female talking even when that person is still alive. I’ve been a victim of a few demonic attacks – at least 3 of them used my mother’s voice as they chanted out my name. Since one was on top of me and choking me … I silently said JESUS and then got instant relief. Another time I was at a store with my mom looking at the 75% Christmas discount items … I clearly heard her call out to me. So I found the aisle she was in and said “what do you want?” She said I didn’t call you. She knew about my demonic attacks and said you need to stop dwelling on this stuff. We then went to pay for our discount items. Mine came to … $6.66. I then looked over at her. Anyway … the unsaved that go to fortune tellers/seances are being tricked into thinking their departed loved ones are communicating back with them.
September 24, 2020 at 11:00 am #37441
Familiar spirits! That’s what they are called! I learned a lot of the dark kingdom by studying this subject of spiritual warfare! They know how to copy loved ones etc., even in dreams! Sadly many Christians are very untaught about such things. An unpleasant subject, but very real! What is forbidden 🚫 in the Old Testament is still forbidden 🚫 in the New Testament and I pray that all Christians involved in this repent!
September 24, 2020 at 11:34 am #37442
Same can be said about “yoga”. So many Christians think this is just an innocent stretching exercise and you meditate on God. I got a problem with that thinking because yoga has dark roots in the occult.
There is a satanic shop that opened up in another town on the Main Street. The 2 big store front glass windows show – one side has the Ouija board and potion bottles on display and in the other window has the yoga mats and exercise blocks on display. That clinched it for me to stay far far away from yoga workouts.
September 26, 2020 at 10:10 am #37520YohananModerator
I copied the following from Arthur’s link and have to say that I have a very big problem with what is written here. I have been watching Steve Berger online for years. I’ve attended his service once while in TN. I have been listening to Greg Laurie for decades as well as Chuck Smith. So now all of a sudden these men are evil???? REALLY????? This reminds me of the time a woman approached me to see if I was saved. When she found out I didn’t attend her church she told me I was going to hell. I guess the Apostle Paul is in hell because he didnt go to her church either. Point is, if you are high visibility then someone with a “word from the Lord” is going to strike you down. I haven’t read any of Berger’s books but I seriously doubt these accusations.
Not to be too nit picky, but Grace Chapel is in Franklin, TN not Leipers Fork. If the The Discernment Research Group is going to bash fellow Christians then they should do their due diligence and get the facts straight.
Bergers book endorsed by Christian leaders
If Pastor Steve Berger was an obscure pastor with a tiny congregation and a low-profile book, we would not be issuing this warning about what he and his wife are writing and what it portends for the church. But this is not the case. The Bergers have a large congregation of over 4,000 people in Leipers Fork, Tennessee and their book legitimizes and normalizes, even encourages the idea of believers interacting with the dead. It has already been featured on several widely viewed television programs like Robert Schuller’s Hour of Power and Canada’s Huntley Street.In addition to these and other venues, Steve Berger was invited to speak about his book at a 2011 National Worship Conference that featured a number of Emergent and evangelical leaders like Chuck Smith Jr., Miles McPherson, Chuck Fromm, and which advertised as a keynote speaker the “Christian” New Age sympathizer Leonard Sweet.
But perhaps one of the most dangerous aspects of the Berger book is the endorsements of high profile leaders such as Calvary Chapel Pastor Greg Laurie and longtime Bible teacher Chuck Missler. Not surprisingly, The Shack’s author Paul Young is also listed alongside Laurie and Missler as an endorser of the book.
September 26, 2020 at 12:56 pm #37528
Well, Steve Berger apparently is part of the New Apostolic Reformation crowd. That in itself isn’t good. Plus, if this book he wrote is advocating for speaking with the dead, I don’t care how well meaning or sincere the pastor is. That’s just plain wrong.
If, I am proven to have been wrong about these things, I will issue a sincere apology.
September 26, 2020 at 10:58 am #37524Bsfc321Participant
Regina kind of nailed it for me. I think JD is correct in a way and so is Amir. This is the beginning of what will split Jerusalem. It may also mean less death and turmoil for the Jewish people, for a time. I don’t think Amir is arguing that it is good in the long run, he is saying that this isn’t the AC signing the peace treaty and starting the Trib. JD is seeing what will happen in the near future. Both are correct.
As far as Steve Berger, I had heard his name but never watched him. I read some excerpts from his book about his son appearing in dreams to him and his wife and their friends, suggesting that the son is appearing in multiple dreams to people and giving them info about heaven, while pushing them towards Jesus Christ. They say that it has strengthened their faith more than the Biblical prophets, if I was reading it correctly. Talk about a heart wrenching judgment call….they lost their son tragically and they want to believe that they are being visited by him from heaven. There isn’t anything scripturally that supports visitations from those in heaven. Could it be that they are dreaming what they want to believe, and in turn, their friends are also dreaming about him due to that inspiration?
No real idea. I know I had dreams about my mom when she went to heaven, still do at times. Some good, some terrifying.
In my estimation, if they believe that Jesus died for them, and they are placing their faith for salvation in His sacrifice and resurrection alone, they are saved. They may be deceived by their emotions. The real issue with that is, if this is true about their son, why aren’t all of our relatives in heaven coming to us in dreams and telling us how awesome it is? COULD God allow it? I guess, but Scripture says nothing about it, and specifically tells us not to attempt to contact the dead.
Seems like it is something that likely should have been kept to their own private lives and not written down and sold in a book, at the very least.
At the end of the day, it is all about who our faith is in, I suppose.
September 26, 2020 at 12:12 pm #37525
September 26, 2020 at 12:54 pm #37527
Angel’s and demons already enjoy an eternal state! Unlike humans who entertain temporary housing!
As such it stands to reason they are well familiar with any human beings life! And fully capable of imitating them!
As we are warned of Satan appearing as an angel of light! They are truly interdimensional. Having access to spiritual and earthly realms!
Whether they appear as Angel’s, ET’s or your grandmother!
God allowed Samuel the prophet to be raised as proof of man’s eternal spirit! After this none other human has returned to Earth!!!
Many seek residence in Heaven not for Christ’s sake, but for a dear departed soul and even pet!
Emotionally we create Heaven in our likeness often times! And Satan knows this!
September 26, 2020 at 1:39 pm #37533
I went on a little research about this! I came across a website called Harpazo Forum! This forum picks every Pastor apart! There is a very judgmental demon going around, causing division and animosity between the brethren! I don’t agree with Pastor Gerber and co. It truly is an abomination to the Lord to contact through whatever medium anything dead or use the help of the occult for revelation! It’s called witchcraft and it is alive and well in a lot of churches! But I refuse to be mean about anything anymore! And I agree, they should have been silent about this! No need to create a false doctrine! Pastor JD is right! Satanic division amongst the brethren!
September 26, 2020 at 1:56 pm #37535
God first, God only, Praying for one another, encouraging one another, United to spread the Gospel of our salvation in Jesus Christ –
Romans 12:2 “Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.”
Philippians 4:8 “Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.”
John 13:35 “By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
Romans 15:13 “May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that by the power of the Holy Spirit you may abound in hope.”
Division, hatred, discontent does not come from God
September 26, 2020 at 2:00 pm #37536
September 26, 2020 at 2:06 pm #37539
I agree about unity and JD Farag’s message hit home for me. I feel hypocritical about bringing up Steve Berger in this thread. I personally loathe all the (insert Christian name here) EXPOSED! videos on the internet. :(
I am not sure how to proceed.
I believe Rapture Ready’s approach is the correct one:
Please read it and let me know if I am off base here. I want to be accountable to this forum and to God.
September 26, 2020 at 9:40 pm #37552
It is a tough deal! I still believe we need to discern all of those things and it is not easy! What is the middle road in this? Sigh! Maybe this Pastor should have been counseled privately. Maybe Chuck Missler never read the book! He is with the Lord now for 2 years I think. Calvary Chapel has been under the microscope for a while now by certain observers! I listend to Dr. Andy Woods today and he pointed out Amy Grant and somebody else for cheering for Ginsburg in a tweet! He called it virtual signaling and she is apparently part of the religious left! Oy!
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