October 26, 2021 at 5:17 pm #82839TheWayParticipant
I just love this statement from CJ Lovik. I have been watching two very interesting videos pointing to the year 2023 ( it really isn’t that far…). The first is from CJ Lovick and it basically says that the day Jesus died can be used as an anchor point to look back and forward. One day is like a thousand years so if you go back 4000 years from the day Jesus died, you get to the date Adam sinned. If you go forward 2000 years, you end at 2030. Subtract 7 for the tribulation and we end at 2023. There is much to unpack in the video, but I found interesting the pattern he lays out regarding Adam and Jesus. He believes there is a good possibility Adam was 33.5 years old when he sinned and death entered the world. Jesus was the second Adam who died at 33.5 years old and eternal life was was made possible. That is just the gist of it. Here is the video: https://youtu.be/PtATSQx3cjI
The second video (fullbibletimeline) looks at history from the beginning that is when Adam sinned. From there some interesting dates come through: 1948 AM (anno mundi: from the beginning of the world) is the birth of Abraham. 75 years later, i.e. in 2023 AM Abraham is called by God into a covenant, is promised a place to live by God, is given a new name just like God will do for us when we depart for the place He prepared for us. The author suggests that for a period of 7 years Abraham faced bumps in the road (famine, Egypt,etc.) I know this is not much of a summary, but it gives you the main ideas.
Here is the video: https://youtu.be/idWIsc-YBHI
I have found these two presentations very clear and encouraging. You know, we will soon run out of date/timeframe possibilities…. We are told that we will see the day approacing, and I believe we are!
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October 26, 2021 at 5:57 pm #82843MyWhiteStoneParticipant
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October 26, 2021 at 8:57 pm #82858TheWayParticipant
I know many are looking at 2021 with great hope (and so am I), but I think that as time passes, more and more is revealed through the body of Christ. I remember 10 years ago, when I stated watching intensely, that the theories presented in watchers’ circles were often farfetched and convoluted. I find that we are seing more and more well substantiated reasoning in regards to possible timelines and timeframes. I think it is worthwhile to consider what God is showing brothers and sisters who study and research things pertaining to our Lord’s appearing.
October 26, 2021 at 9:05 pm #82859
We must indeed consider many things other than extrapolated teachings!
Signs of the times, prophetic fulfillment, the voice of the Holy Spirit!
Any number of valid dates based on valid “tie ins” to scripture have come and gone! Let alone a correct calendar!
Teachings alone are enough to convince me!
October 27, 2021 at 4:03 am #82873
I had to google who CJ Lovick is. He writes a lot of books. One is called the Living Word. I hope this guy isn’t using The Living Bible as his go to source because that is a water down paraphrased removing/adding words to change God’s Word. He needs to be using a King James Bible and then he will know how late the hour really is and the signs of the times.
Here is a review on his book called
“The Living Word in 3D”
The author uses his own interpretation for the Hebrew symbols. He does not support the interpretation with scripture, but assumes that the symbols mean what he believes to be true, excusing inconsistencies by calling them mysteries.
The true doctrine of God manifestation is so beautiful compared to the lies of the pagans. I would send this book back if I could..
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Surely we need to be leaving soon to be delivered from all the evil
We have global famine and inflation in 2022
The quest to force vaxx everyone
In January 2022 …. we have this situation brewing … Ms. Omerova (born & raised in Soviet Union) as the top pick for Comptroller of the U.S. Currency. If congress votes her in … her goal is to shut down all U.S. banks and merge to the 1 Federal Reserve Bank system. Meanwhile in the process of doing this … all our money will be gone. Their motto … “you will own nothing and be happy”. Then we will no longer own our homes, our cars, etc … we will be living on the streets or sent to FEMA camps. To me this isn’t “business as usual” setting.
The continual threats of nuke wars
World leaders are meeting in Glasgow at COP26 (climate change) (October 31 to November 12) with a delegation led by Cardinal Pietro Parolin (aka Peter the Roman) taking the pope Francis’ place.
Sudden destruction at any given moment from volcanoes & earthquakes
Got my eyes on the Blessed Hope in 2021 vs. 2 more years from now
October 27, 2021 at 5:13 am #82875BlueParticipant
October 27, 2021 at 10:26 am #82880churchgalParticipant
At this time, I can’t get my head to thinking about 2023. One thing is that it takes us completely out of the fig tree generation, and I believe that the Lord was intentional about his use of the word generation plus including the psalm about the length of it.
Also like Tammie and others, I don’t think life will be “normal” much longer…..we would have to put off the massive worldwide market crash that is super overdue, correct the supply problems and the fact that if more people keep losing their jobs because of vax requirements, we are rapidly heading to civil war.
I can’t discount the videos because I haven’t seen them yet and if we are still here next year then perhaps I will have to consider the possibility.
October 27, 2021 at 10:31 am #82882SusanParticipant
I agree 100% with Tammie. Everything is lined up for the Tribulation and quite franly there is no place for us in this setting. Everything is time sensitive so in other words there will not be any more lulls.There is no going back to normal if ya know what I mean.
Any moment I am watching and waiting for His IMMINENT coming!
October 27, 2021 at 12:37 pm #82887
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October 27, 2021 at 4:50 pm #82894
Don’t kill the messenger!
I happen to agree that 2023 is the most likely candidate. It is simple and straightforward. Jesus died, was buried and resurrected in 30 AD. He will come back 2000 years later in 2030 AD. Minus 7 years of Tribulation and you have 2023. It is the most logical Rapture timeline out there.
However, is 2021 really 2021? IMHO, our calendars have the very real possibility of being out a couple of years. They are based in part in Roman consul lists, some of which are fragmentary.
Therefore, I truly believe that it could be the year 2023 right now. It isn’t out of the realm of possibility. This preserves imminence. We really don’t know the day or the hour.
When constructing a theory, one should always look at the assumptions one has made and then see if they are valid. We assume that our calendar is accurate but it just might not be. This very well could be part of God’s design.
October 27, 2021 at 5:49 pm #82898
October 27, 2021 at 7:32 pm #82916
October 27, 2021 at 8:02 pm #82922
Well … according to this website (below) they seem to be very positive the Crucifixion took place on April 3, 33 AD. So that REALLY is going to push the rapture out 5 more years! And they are going by the “evidence from Astronomy” to figure out the darkness during the Crucifixion. But the question is how accurate are those “astronomy records” since Pilate was trying to prevent Jesus from rising from the grave by having his soldiers seal up the tomb and to keep watch.
64 Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
65 Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can.
66 So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.
So for all we know … they could have left out recording the solar eclipse. Or the darkness could have been a supernatural event kind of like the 9th plague in Egypt that happened suddenly with total darkness.
Then the great earthquake happened after the darkness causing …
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.
Is there anyway to see when the great earthquake occurred back then? Or perhaps they left those off their charts as well like they are doing to this day. Nothing new under the sun.
The reason I don’t think the rapture is in 2023 is because the NWO have pushed up their 2030 agenda to 2023 … to have their perfect environment in place and us useless eaters off the planet. If God waits until then … millions of people would have already died before the tribulation even starts. I just can’t see that happening.
Plus this passage tells us to look up when we see these things BEGIN to happen:
Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory
And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
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This means that if Jesus’s ministry coincided with at least three Passovers, and if the first Passover was in AD 29, he could not have been crucified in a.d. 30. But if John the Baptist began his ministry in AD 29, then Jesus probably began his ministry in late AD 29 or early a.d. 30.
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October 27, 2021 at 8:17 pm #82926
A 33 AD Rapture is touted by mainly Cat licks 😺 since they have to have the crucifixion take place on a Friday. This, of course, is unbiblical.
Here is an article supporting a 30 AD crucifixion. As a caveat, the blog promotes a mid Trib Rapture but doesn’t talk about that in the article.
October 27, 2021 at 8:53 pm #82934
Yep they sure are getting carried away with the #3’s. I’m surprised they didn’t say … 3/3/33. I agree the Crucifixion could not have happened on a Friday, thanks for pointing out 4/3/33 they claim was thee day, and here it fell on Friday. So I’m happy that debunks that theory.
I’m a big fan of the 7 yr shemitah cycle. Since we are in the last year of 7 … 2021 or early 2022 I expect the rapture to occur and then FOT – 2022 will start the next batch of 7 years … the 11th cycle … 11 in the Bible means judgment.
2022 is the grand opening OWR Abrahamic Worship Center … I can see them saying peace and safety at that time … IF we don’t hear it sooner in 2021.
And too many people are falling for the jab and booster shots … so no way are we still here for 2023 because too many people will have died.
October 27, 2021 at 8:35 pm #82929
God has always followed His pattern by design. The Shemitah cycle, holds just as much significance for the church age or Age of Grace as it does for the nation of Israel. The cycle begins anew in 2022 and this time will begin the last 7 years of the current human history. As Israel turns 74 in May 2022, this also concludes God’s timetable for the life of a man by the final 7 years to reach 80. Christ death and resurrection began the Age of Grace for the Gentiles; the tribulation is for the nation of Israel, the church is not present for this Judgement. So, as I am preaching to at least 90% of the watcher choir, the birth pains are reaching their peak, the wars and rumors of wars (Geri supplies a lot of this knowledge for us in her research – thank you!), is heard from every nation, the fig tree is in full bloom (Lending to many nations, but not borrowing), the prince of the air has copulated with his willing concubines to create the technology to “change” mankind into non-human, therefore removing God’s DNA for those who desire evil (as in the days of Noah), and the martyrdom of believers (if a delay where possible) would be far greater than the Holocaust. ALL of this is in play NOW!
My very soul screams “open your eyes” to see! The church was lulled to sleep by “peace” and complacency and a “normal” way of life of prosperity beginning in the first century, no one saw or chose to see the evil plans for humanity being laid out so carefully. Now they are fully on us. I don’t mind if God decides that a FEMA camp is my next home, (His Will always is what I hope to follow) but I will not be alone, but understand, the Bride of Christ is not subject to be here for the wrath of our Heavenly Father. I memorized a verse that seemed strange to me at first until I meditated on it I Peter 1:13 “Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.” — we are to be ready in season and out for the work of the Lord, not anxious and ready to go home at any moment!
October 27, 2021 at 9:00 pm #82937
As I said about theories and timelines, one always has to look at what assumptions, one has made.
There is the possibility that the Fig Tree generation has been misapplied. There is also the possibility that this Shemita cycle thing also is wrong. Both of these things are not written in stone.
I think the easiest, most straightforward way to look at it is a 2023 Rapture. Now, as I have said before, there is the possibility that our calendar is off by a year or two.
So, I can accept a 2023 Rapture as well as look at what is happening in the world and reconcile both these things. They are not incomparable, IMHO.
Whatever the case, the Rapture will happen at the perfect time because God is perfect and everything He does is perfect.
October 27, 2021 at 10:38 pm #82948TaureauchienParticipant
I’m onboard with the Shemita cycle as well. I’m feeling the Pentacost Rapture next year followed by a few months of chaos for the man of sin to rise up and start the trib off at FOT 2022.
Just my opinion based off my studies.
There is something listed that hasnt happened yet that I still am looking for….. This:
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Im a space wx nerd, and the sun is waking up for its next cycle. And it looks already like its going to be a doozy, So signs in the sun? check. But what happens to our moon? The stars are active too all over the galaxy, but the moon boggles me. Its specifically listed and we all know God doesnt list things and then leaves parts out
October 28, 2021 at 5:20 pm #83014
October 28, 2021 at 1:10 am #82956
Here is an article that supports a 30 AD crucifixion.
Date of Crucifixion: The year of the Crucifixion is confirmed by several historians due to the darkness that occurred from noon until 3:00 PM on Nisan 14-Passover in 30 AD. It is important to note that the term ‘Passover’ can refer to Nisan 14, the Preparation for the Feast of Unleavened Bread, or Nisan 15-the first day of seven for the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The historians Phlegon, Thallus, Africanus and Tertullian all mention this three hour period of darkness that does not have a scientific explanation. It was neither a lunar or solar eclipse for many reasons. Eclipses do not last three hours and cannot happen during the full moon of Passover.
October 28, 2021 at 2:50 am #82960
This is pretty cool:
October 28, 2021 at 8:25 am #82961
Yes, Abraham born in 1948 BC is pretty amazing … parallel to the rebirth year of Israel as a Jewish nation! I still lean that the 2023 year is for the time of Jacob’s trouble and its for the Jews and NOT for the church. Isn’t Abraham the Father of the Jewish Nation? I don’t think Abraham is the Father of the church. But Jesus is the Chief Cornerstone of the church not Abraham (Matt 16:13-18) I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail.
The arrival of tribulation saints are seen earlier on in God’s house (Revelation 7:9-17) so 2023 fits in perfectly with their home-going year in heaven! Meanwhile the home-going of the church is much earlier … 2021 – 2022 per the Shemitah cycle.
China just launched an “anti satellite” weapon in space, that can “crumble” American satellite
This is huge because God chose America to be the shining light for preaching the Gospel to the world and to make it a safe haven for the Jews. And now that China and our evil leaders goal is to destroy America … this means the church is about to leave planet earth! And the global witnessing will go back to Jerusalem with the 2 witnesses and 144,000.
Plus we are witnessing the prelude of horror tribulation life in 2022 with … Great famine, hyper inflation, nuke Middle East wars, the volcanoes/mega earthquakes causing destruction and the push to vaxx everyone … God promises in Revelation 3:10 I will keep you from the hour of trial (testing).
And we have … the Abrahamic Business Circle Forum in Dubai the message is “peace and tolerance” “peace and goodwill” “peace and safety” with the Abrahamic Family Home in 2022
I think this is cool …. about the “voice of the archangel” in this passage …
I Thess 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
So why is the voice of the archangel mentioned? I lean its because … this archangel job duty is to create a MEGA global earthquake to open up all the graves /move the stones away for all the dead in Christ saints.
cross reference with this passage … Matthew 28:1-6
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
October 28, 2021 at 12:33 pm #82975
Abraham is the physical father of the Jewish people but the spiritual father of all those who believe, Jews and Gentiles.
I think 2023 works quite well in the scenario for the Rapture of the church.
Yes, things seem dark now but who is to say it won’t get a little darker? Still hoping for an end of month Rapture but also prepared to wait another 23 months or so. May God’s Will be done.
October 28, 2021 at 1:03 pm #82976
I’m sorry but I have to disagree with Abraham as a “spiritual” father for the church. Because these passages clearly say otherwise …
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.
Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
October 28, 2021 at 2:04 pm #82989
Romans Chapter 4 makes it clear. Yes, it is faith in Christ that saves us. It is what saved Abraham and what saved his spiritual descendants. (That’s us – The stars in the sky. :))
16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did;
October 28, 2021 at 2:44 pm #82995
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