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    • #12574
      Blue
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      https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/03/1059972  I haven’t ever started a post so I don’t know if I am doing this right.  But I don’t remember anyone mentioning this yet.

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    • #12575
      David W. Roche
      Moderator

      You did it right.  Welcome, Blue!

       

       

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    • #12577
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Glad your on board.  Welcome!

      TR

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    • #12578
      Blue
      Participant

      Thanks, I have been a lurker many many years…since the first old site…just don’t come out much! I appreciate you all!

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    • #12579
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Bless your heart.  Looking forward to meeting with you in glory!  Please share your thoughts with us all!

      TR

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    • #12580
      Watchman35
      Participant

      Welcome Blue!  My first thought when I heard the name Blue was the nickname of one of the old Motown Temptations.  Sorry…white kid on an otherwise all-black basketball team in LA growing up as a kid.  Heavy Motown/R&B influence.  So, if you are comfortable sharing, would love to know the real story behind the name.  No pressure.  Glad to have you on board with us.

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      • #12609
        Geri7
        Participant

        :bye:  Blue,  glad to see you over here.  I recall your name over on the Harpazo board as well. :yes:

        Watchman,  I’m a fan of Motown too … especially the lovely  “Supremes” Doowop Band. :good:

        Their stardom was before I was born or perhaps I was a baby(?), but watching the early episodes of American Idol (when the show was actually fun to watch) they had “Motown theme night” and I really enjoyed the contestants singing those old hit songs.  Stop in the Name of Love, Baby Doll, Reflections, You Keep Me Hangin’ On, etc.  made me buy their hit DVD and would often play it along with other hit oldies while walking on a treadmill.   It made the exercising workout sessions fun to endure.

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    • #12583
      Blue
      Participant

      Ha!  No great story behind the name.  I collect Blue Ridge pottery originally made in Erwin TN.  My dad always called me Blondie.  So, on a couple forums and Ebay I use the name Blueridgeblondie.  Over on Harpazo forum, Savedat started calling me Blue for short!

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    • #12584
      Blue
      Participant

      What I really want to know is what you think of the article in the link. Notice that under the photo by the date it says Peace and Security!

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    • #12585
      Blue
      Participant

      Seems like a perfect time for an attack, when everyone thinks the whole world is in a ceasefire.

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    • #12587
      Blue
      Participant

      Also, I am wondering about the sudden destruction….It could be the attack, but it also could be earthquakes and volcanoes erupting.  Actually I am wondering if the virus is being overblown to keep us in our homes because earthquakes and eruptions are expected.

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    • #12589
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Indeed, lot’s to wonder about.  But I’ve given up on trying to figure out the future.  Let alone on a week to week basis!  I’ll leave it all up to the Lord.

      That said, I believe that we will be given every assurance that the Rapture is indeed near.

      But if you have been following this site for that long, you pretty much know how I feel about things.

      I try to wear my heart on my sleeves, as the saying goes!

      TR

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    • #12593
      Blue
      Participant

      I do hope it is near.  At least the thought of it being very soon has given me the motivation to send an email telling the Good News to 20 people in my email address book that I don’t think are saved.  I feel it is very urgent, and this virus was the perfect excuse to share with them. I have received replies of “Please remove me from your email list.”  But I did it for the Lord.

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    • #12594
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Good for you Sis!  Indeed the Lord will honor that, now and forever!

      TR

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    • #12597
      Arthur
      Participant
      1. Welcome Blue!

      Yes,  the globalists will definitely not waste this manufactured crisis.  There is a hue and cry for a one world government.  The Enemy wants to fake a Millennial Kingdom.  Thankfully,  Jesus will inaugerate the real Millennial Kingdom with real peace and security.  :yahoo:

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    • #12608
      Watchman35
      Participant

      What would really ping my prophetic antenna is if, in response to the UN leader’s call for a worldwide ceasefire to fight Corona, there was actually a formal acceptance/adoption of such a resolution by the member nations for temporary peace and security.  From my perspective, the talk of peace and safety has been pretty intense for at least the past five years or so.  I remember Jan Markell showing a montage a couple years back, and it was amazing how the world leaders were harping on this theme.

      It’s interesting to me that the guys like Guterres, who are calling for the world to lay down their weapons of war and unite against Corona, typically have no appetite to defeat the most insidious disease of all, sin.  That plague affects every human being on the face of the earth, and apart from the only known treatment, the blood of Jesus, it has a 100% mortality rate.  Yet, no one has much conviction to lead a war against sin.

      I’ve heard a couple of prophecy teachers whom I respect say that they feel like the Lord has shown them when the destruction comes down, we go up.  Something has to happen to make the US either unwilling and/or unable to come to Israel’s defense.  Corona and the destruction of our economy might very well have something to do with that.  Time will tell, although I frankly would much prefer to watch the end of the “movie” from a balcony seat.  :popcorn:prayer-hands::flyup:

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    • #12613
      David W. Roche
      Moderator

      [quote]“The fury of the virus illustrates the folly of war”, he said. “That is why today, I am calling for an immediate global ceasefire in all corners of the world. It is time to put armed conflict on lockdown and focus together on the true fight of our lives.” [/quote]

      [quote]“Oh, Jake,” Brett said, “we could have had such a d****d good time together.”
      Ahead was a mounted policeman in khaki directing traffic. He raised his baton. The car slowed suddenly pressing Brett against me.
      “Yes,” I said. “Isn’t it pretty to think so?”[/quote]

      Ernest Hemingway: The Sun Also Rises

      Yes, it might be “pretty” for some to think there could be global peace under a united humanity, but the reality is the U.N. is united against God. Their policies are a major reason why we do not have any peace and we would all be better off without their help.

      [quote]“And we can only do it if we do it together, if we do in a coordinated way, if we do it with intense solidarity and cooperation, and that is the raison d’etre of the United Nations itself”.[/quote]

      Based upon their behavior throughout their existence, the real “raison d’etre” for the U.N. is to destroy the sovereignty of separate nations and bring us all under a “new world order.”  Believe me, it’s not going to be “pretty.”

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    • #12627
      tenderreed
      Participant

      I agree David.  On another post I submitted that I was “so done” with this Coronavirus.

      It truly seems to be all consuming pass time for many on the Earth.  Using this as a strategy to usher a one world government is sick.

      Personally I don’t think that media and powers that be will afford the Rapture this much air time and copy!  Sad, don’t you think.

      Given the harassment of Satan and the judgments of God, I think I would most detest how quickly and willingly so many will turn to a one world governmental body!

      TR

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    • #12651
      MyWhiteStone
      Moderator

      Blue Teapot …???  Is that you???  If not, well welcome anyway, and thanks for the post.  If so, Wow!!  We used to have a really good times watching on old RITA.  So I’m late into this thread since I didn’t look at the board much yesterday.  In any case, welcome!

      Thanks for the thought-provoking post.  I believe the COVID-19 situation is diabolically brilliant!  I have a really hard time still understanding either what the devil enjoys about destruction in the same way I wonder how elite globalists enjoy the destruction.  But I’m glad to be naive if that’s what I am.  I don’t really want to be able understand the motivations either class of those insane damned.

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    • #12653
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Well said brother!

      I’m taking whatever brain cells I have to apply to lovelier things, no bummer’s!

      TR

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    • #12675
      Blue
      Participant

      No, not Blue Teapot.  Blue, short for Blueridgeblondie!  Thanks for the warm welcome.

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    • #12709
      Tammie
      Participant

      My apologies Blue for the late welcome and howdy, but I see many of the family has already jumped in, we are a close knit group :wacko:

      I’ve had to deal with some life issues, one of my online students died unexpectedly, unrelated to COVID, but a great RN with years of experience, going for her undergrad. I’ve talked and prayed with her family, very sad, but they agree she is with Jesus, lucky her! Another, Student lost a cousin to COVID19- and has two more in two ICUs, many things happening theses days.

      Per the article, it would not surprise me at all if this is yet another ploy to “try” to rush Gods time table. That being said, we are on track and as TR mentioned, every day brings something new, I believe we are seeing the total convergence of the “get ready to go up” things as planned. Pray you are sleeping in your wedding apparel and keeping that wick trimmed on the lamp.

      Again, welcome and please continue to stay active…. :prayer-hands: :flyup:

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    • #12729
      tenderreed
      Participant

      After having already greeted Blue.  I would now like to also greet Blondie!  No matter what you call yourself, you are loved by us and the Lord!  See ya soon!

      TR

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    • #12735
      Blue
      Participant

      Thanks TR. Tammie, my next door neighbor is an RN and was caring for corona patients this week.  She is now sick…I am hoping it is just allergies. I have watched all of Heather R’s studies showing that Nisan 10 is the timing of the second coming, so with that coming up, I am hopeful for the rapture this week.

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      • #12756
        Tammie
        Participant

        Blue, I am also an RN, although advanced practice, in an administrative role and a adjunct for RN in undergrad, so not directly at bedside. My heart is very. Heavy hourly for my clinical colleagues. This is a crazy, unbelievable time. I will keep her in Prayer. Lord, again I come to you seeking your healing hand for yet another colleague, please help her to first accept you, second be healed and strengthened according to your will. We as this in Jesus name and for his glory! :prayer-hands:

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    • #12747
      2ndcoming
      Participant

      For when they say peace and security, sudden destruction comes upon them. Peace and security speaks of people’s state of mind. They feel secure, peaceful, and are not under any threat and fear, when sudden destruction (rapture)  comes upon them. This Covid-19 has frightened people around the world, and fear has gripped almost everyone of them. Rapture can’t happen until this fear is gone, until people feel safe and secure again. Paul’s teaching of peace and security (people’s state of mind) is parallel to Jesus’ teaching of people eating, drinking, marrying and giving in marriage. They both point to people are enjoying peace and security, live their life as business as usual, when rapture the sudden destruction comes upon the world. Having said this, I doubt if rapture can happen any moment now. We may have to wait til the cure and the vaccine comes out, before the rapture happens.

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    • #12752
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Peace and safety from war and aggression. And with recent calls to end all wars and aggression on a global scale just might allow people the freedom from fear to again live their lives.  Even within the new normal.   I too hope that this virus and social distancing will be short lived.

      Suffice to say, that people still eat, drink and marry regardless of the social distancing which is in effect.  Internal toil and fears have always resided with man.  The sense of security is so subjective and is constantly changing as well.

      But nothing can prevent the Lord’s plans from moving forward!  For that day has been chosen since before the world’s foundations were laid.  With or without social distancing, it shall occur.  IMHO

      TR

       

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      • #12782
        David
        Participant

        I was having exactly the same thoughts recently that the biblical conditions are not quite right for the rapture at the moment. I feel that there has to be a return to some kind of “business as usual” normality for there to be peace and safety and for buying and selling and marrying etc to continue in the normal way.

        I think that we are close but not just yet. I hope and pray that I am wrong but I don’t see a Passover rapture……….maybe feast of trumpets a few months later !

        David

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      • #12783
        Geri7
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        Also keep in mind though during Noah’s day … “business as usual” wasn’t like our way of life because giants on the earth were all over and I heard they have big appetites and probably ate all the vegetation and then went after man to eat.  So there was food shortages just like what we are seeing today with the trucks not delivering the food/supplies from the warehouses to the grocery stores.  Also in Noah’s day there was violence and every man did that which was right in their own eye – so they weren’t obeying the laws of the land and God.  So I think its going to get worse with the crime and breaking into homes and mugging/killing people on the streets for food, etc.  I read last week the unemployment database crashed because so many were applying.  And those who still have their job are bugging out and working from home while eating, drinking (I don’t think it hast to be just booze drinking) and they are still buying even from internet shopping.  Also marriages are still happening even though its a few attending the ceremonies.

        I also think its interesting that if they don’t have a cure for this virus by Passover, the Jews will be able to sacrifice a lamb on the Temple Mount without the muslims protesting because they are still in isolation status.  Then the next time the sacrifice will probably be with their 3rd Temple in place.

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    • #12765
      Blue
      Participant

      Maybe the peace and security isn’t until after the rapture when the covenant is signed?  Then the sudden destruction is an earthquake, or war. I Thessalonians 4:17 describes the rapture and then maybe chapter 5 is actually describing what comes after.

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    • #12767
      Geri7
      Participant

      I reread this passage below … the question becomes … “what is the day of the Lord?”  Is that the rapture or is it His judgment on planet earth?

      Many scholars were teaching its the rapture as the thief in the night but now I’m wondering if perhaps the thief in the night is actually the calamities of the tribulation starting for the unsaved and the church is long gone and doesn’t have to wait for “peace and safety” speech or for the cure of the coronavirus.

      Perhaps the scenario unfolds this way … the church leaves sometime this April or May with all the high watch dates coming up … and then the world is in such chaos from not only the virus but the rapture causing total collapse and perhaps even the G/M war kicks in.  Then the AC shows up with the answers … he makes stronger/confirms the Trump peace deal, the Jews can build their temple, the cure for the virus and causes all to take the mandatory shot, and talks about the one world currency … then the world cries finally “peace and safety” at last and BAM the tribulation starts?

       

      1 Thessalonians 5
      But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

      For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

      For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

      But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

      Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

      Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

      For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.

      But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

      For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

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    • #12769
      Blue
      Participant

      I was thinking that if Jesus rode into Jerusalem on Nisan 10 and if the Rabbis are expecting the Messiah to come before Passover…if the antichrist is going to imitate Christ and show up to fulfill scripture, he would show up on Nisan 10 also…on a colt. They are expecting him to bring the cure  and think they need the temple for that also, so that would also involve the covenant.  So, I think rapture by next Sat. Antichrist shows up with cure and signs covenant, they say peace and safety, then there is sudden destruction.  That’s my best take on it.  6 days away to find out!

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    • #12770
      Blue
      Participant

      I like all your ideas Geri, I just like next Sat. the best for our departure.

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      • #12772
        Geri7
        Participant

        Yep … I think April 4th has a super moon on that night too and Venus &  Pleiades (7 stars) conjuncture occurs.  Some feel the 7 stars might represent the 7 churches in Revelation?

        We also have April 1st as a high watch,  April 4th, Passover, Palm Sunday, Easter, Pentecost, Ascension Day ….

        I’m super excited … B-)

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    • #12780
      Arthur
      Participant

      Yes,  the enemy can never create but only duplicate.  Nisan 10 would be appropriate fot the anti-messiah to make his entrance.

      Also,  will try to say that he is fulfilling the Daniel 9 prophecy starting from when Sulieman rebuilt the walls of Jerusalem around 1537 AD ish.

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    • #12785
      Blue
      Participant

      Other than those left behind will be fools, what is special about April 1?

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      • #12795
        Geri7
        Participant

        Hi Blue,

        Per Yohanan (the moderator “that vanished” … just kidding … he’s around just too busy to log in these days) B-)

        He posted this back in December …

        ”In his book “The Oracle” Jonathan Cahn has a very compelling argument for the Rapture taking place on Nisan 1 (which falls on April 1, 2020).  I have always held to the view of FoT but not anymore.

        Jonathan Cahn is a pretribber. I haven’t finished the book yet but it is an excellent read. He does his research well.

        Yes, I believe it is April 1 (how appropriate would the Rapture be on the Day of Fools!)”

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      • #12887
        Yohanan
        Moderator

        Per Yohanan (the moderator “that vanished” … just kidding … he’s around just too busy to log in these days) 

        Who? :whistle:

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      • #12889
        Geri7
        Participant

        :mdrmdr:    Quick everyone … Yohanan is baaack! :yahoo:   But don’t blink!!!  Because with his track record … he’s about to self isolate once again from the cyber board. B-)

        Sorry,  I think I was “Meddling Margaret” that day. :yes:  Hey, I was giving you credit for the incredible, amazing, high-watch date of April 1st … which is rapidly morphing into a dud date :negative:  But no worries … there are plenty of more high watch dates :mail:  around the corner. :whistle:

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    • #12787
      Blue
      Participant

      https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/peace-safety-sudden-destruction/

      See what Jack Kelley has to say about it.  Looks like we aren’t necessarily waiting on peace before the rapture.

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    • #12789
      Lee Giblin
      Participant

      Blue, I can’t give you any real reasons but I have 4 “R”s on my calendar so 4 people have mentioned 4/1 as a high watch date.

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    • #12799
      Arthur
      Participant

      God does have a sense of humour.  Having the Rapture on April Fools Day would be pretty awesome.  I am a fool for Christ.  :yahoo:

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    • #12802
      2ndcoming
      Participant

      The normality of our daily life has been disrupted by this Covid-19 virus. I am afraid this virus shall drag on for one year to 2021 before it is contained. This shall push rapture to 2021 when normalcy resumes, when  eating, drinking, marrying and giving in marriage is returned. If this is the case, my high watch date is changed to July 7 next year.

      I am also watching closely the situation in EU, if collapse is coming, from a 27 members state to 10 horns alliance in Daniel 7. May be God wants us to witness this ten horns alliance formed before He calls the church home.

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    • #12803
      MyWhiteStone
      Moderator

      Man!  I hate that thought, 2ndcoming!  Next year?  (God forbid! — or not…) :negative:

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    • #12805
      Geri7
      Participant

      Still waaay to early to give up on 2020 where our faith ”could be” sight.  Lots of high watch dates just around the corner … :whistle:

      We also have this verse to ponder … the church could be taken out way before the cure for the virus is announced and the 10 horn nations are in place.

      Matt 24:44 “Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

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    • #12806
      2ndcoming
      Participant

      Imagine rapture happens on July 7 2021, the date becomes significant. July 7 is 7 7. 7 is a completion number, and it appears many times in scripture.

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      • #12810
        MyWhiteStone
        Moderator

        Okay then.  So 7 means completion.  Saturday is the next available day number 7.  Let’s go Saturday!

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      • #12814
        Geri7
        Participant

        Oops … I have a correction … instead of April 4th (Saturday) the 2nd super moon for 2020 … starts on Tuesday, April 7th  thru April  8th Wednesday (Passover) and it will be pink according to the Farmer’s Almanac.

        I see the church being “tickled pink” to be caught up to heaven. :whistle:

        —————————

        The first super moon of 2020 is … drum roll please …

        Monday Evening March 9th on Purim

        If we are still here … then we have

        Wednesday, April 8th (Passover)

        Thursday, May 7th

        Thursday, Sept 17th … 2 days before Feast of Trumpets

         

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    • #12807
      Arthur
      Participant

      There is no way of knowing if the coronovirus “crisis” is going to last a year.  A couple of months,  is my estimation.  When it gets warmer,  the virus won’t do very well.

      I think then people can exhale and go back to their normal lives.  They’ll reintroduce the virus later and at that time with a “cure”.

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    • #12808
      Geri7
      Participant

      I’m seeing the G/M situation forming and the church can’t be here for that war.

      – US led forces are being pulling out of 3rd Iraqi military bases this month.

      – Trump is calling up 1 million military reservists to active duty to fight the coronavirus here in America.

      – Iran is on the verge of total collapse.  I can’t see the Ayatollah just giving up and saying I surrender.  Instead I see him calling for a jihad martyrdom with an attack towards Israel.

       

       

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    • #12811
      MyWhiteStone
      Moderator

      That’s called “Apocholoptimism” I think, Geri.  No?

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    • #12812
      2ndcoming
      Participant

      If this virus lasts for a year, my take is it shall reshape many geopolitical and demographic area. EU collapses to ten horns alliance. US is weakened by loading debt to an astronomical level where the treasury bond loses appeal to foreign buyers. Bankruptcies and insolvency is coming to big companies and individual household. With trouble inside, US is further restraining itself from meddling in middle east. Russia is not doing any better when oil price tumbles to new low. By next year, Russia shall exhaust it’s national reserve. This bear shall become more dangerous and aggressive. China deepens it’s position of the king of the east when many Asian countries look upon it for rescuing their economy. All these assumption is based on the virus dragging into next year. If there is a quick recovery from the virus, then the geopolitical shape of the world stays the same, and should not be affected by too much. It all depends on how long this virus lasts.

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    • #12813
      2ndcoming
      Participant

      I got July 7 2021 by working on the same pattern,i.e, Jesus is coming back for the feast of Shavuot/Pentecost in 2028 which falls on Tammuz 26/July 20. Because of the Jewish calendar, Shavuot/Pentecost begins on sun down July 19, I use July 19 as the end of 1335 days. And I still believe Jesus is coming back on Sivan 6 which is 49 days / 7 weeks before July 19 Shavuot.

      July 7 Tammuz 27 2021 Rapture ——- 2520 days ——– May 31 Sivan 6 2028 Second Advent, Jesus returns to earth ———– A commandment goes forth to restore and to build Jerusalem, the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 49 days, Daniel’s 7 weeks prophecy ————July 19 Tammuz 25 2028 Shavuot/Pentecost, end of 1335 days, an offering is held on this day, Jesus is the High Priest, with remnant of Israel and the Gentiles believers represent the two loaves of bread. Blessed is he who comes to this day.

      But like Geri7 said, it is too early to speculate rapture in 2021. There are still many high watch dates to come this year. My timeline of 2021 to 2028 is based on the virus shall drag on for more then a year, and into 2021.

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    • #12815
      Tammie
      Participant

      Yo, what a word is that? I can’t even say it without stumbling over my eye teeth, therefore can’t see what I’m saying :mdrmdr: :mdrmdr: :mdrmdr:

      No, Second coming, we will have to agree to disagree. You do have a gift for numbers, I also have a higher than normal IQ, a bit of a nerd if you will, made an A++ in graduate level stats, that’s very nerdy, I say that to add, it doesn’t add up with the current logical trend. I think we will not see the end of COVID19, but be raptured out of here.
      FYI, in discussions with epidemiologist, the virus is mutating to a warm climate survival, it’s an engineered virus with some very interesting “added” components for adaptation. It’s already showing this programming with the new shift of attacking the young, it’s like a “switch” has been tripped to begin a new level. This is not over. The normal is no longer the norm. Sorry not to bring on a panic but, it’s going to get very interesting over the next two weeks.

      I pray Nissan 1 is it, it’s a Wednesday, which is a highly favored wedding day. Can’t be on a Sabbath.

      :prayer-hands:

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      • #12816
        Geri7
        Participant

        In agreement Tammie. :good:

        Looking back at the scheduled of the super moons for 2020 …

        I have a correction … I goofed up … instead of April 4th (Saturday) the 2nd super moon for 2020 … starts on Tuesday, April 7th  thru April  8th Wednesday (Passover) and it will have a pink hue according to the Farmer’s Almanac.

        I see the church being “tickled pink” to be caught up to heaven. :whistle:

        —————————

        The first super moon of 2020 is … drum roll please …

        Monday Evening March 9th on Purim

        If we are still here … then we have

        Wednesday, April 8th (Passover)

        Thursday, May 7th (U.S. National Day of Prayer)

        Thursday, Sept 17th … 2 days before Feast of Trumpets

         

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    • #12818
      tenderreed
      Participant

      If it doesn’t happen this year, I may go postal on my posts!  My bad.

      We are in the Corona position!  Just before birth, the child realigns itself and inverts pointing the head or crown of his head towards the exit.  Can’t be much longer now!

      TR

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      • #12833
        Geri7
        Participant

        “If it doesn’t happen this year, I may go postal on my posts!  My bad.” :mdrmdr: :mdrmdr:    Very funny, T.R.! :good:  I think we ALL will be “going postal”. ;-)

        Very interesting point with position of the baby’s “corona crown” head having to be in the right position before a successful delivery.   “IF” after all these high watch dates for 2020 come and go and we are seen ringing in 2021 … then is it a given the baby did a somersault flip and is now breech and needs an emergency C-section next?  :wacko:   Here’s hoping there are no more drama delays. B-)

         

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      • #12856
        Tammie
        Participant

        TR that is brilliant! The baby crowning! :mdrmdr: :mdrmdr: :mdrmdr:  God has such a wonderful sense of humor, He keeps things so simple for us thick headed humans, the baby crowning. Hilarious! Thank you for such an awesome thought!

        I needed that today, many healthcare systems have begun very painful, non-essential personal lay-offs and some of my closest colleagues and friends are part of this first wave. It will only go worse from here! :prayer-hands:

         

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    • #12832
      David
      Participant

      Lots of really interesting and respectful dialog going on here folks. However there seems to be a division on how the world will look just prior to the rapture and when there is not a meeting of minds on any biblical issue I think that it’s always prudent to go back to scripture a dig a bit deeper.

      A few years ago I did a study on 1 Thess 5 regarding peace and safety and some of the Greek words are quite illuminating.

      1 Thessalonians 5 King James Version (KJV) But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

      2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

      3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

      4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

      5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

      6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

      Throughout this passage of scripture there seems to me to be theme of them and us. So exactly who are the “them” or “others” ?. I think a look into the Strong’s Concordance may provide the answer. Here is the meaning of “others” in verse 6 of 1 Thess 5.

      Strong’s Info

      Strong’s Definitions

      †λοιποί loipoí, loy-poy’; masculine plural of a derivative of G3007; remaining ones:—other, which remain, remnant, residue, rest.

      KJV Translation Count — Total: 41x

      The KJV translates Strong’s G3062 in the following manner: other (15x), rest (12x), others (7x), remnant (4x), residue (1x), which remains (1x), other things (1x).

      KJV Translation Count — Total: 41x

      The KJV translates Strong’s G3062 in the following manner: other (15x), rest (12x), others (7x), remnant (4x), residue (1x), which remains (1x), other things (1x).

      Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

      1.    remaining, the rest

      1.    the rest of any number or class under consideration

      2.    with a certain distinction and contrast, the rest, who are not of a specific class or number

      3.    the rest of the things that remain

       

      This Greek word “loipos” in verse 6 seems to equate the “others” or “them” to be a group that remain or are lest behind !!. So I think that world conditions, will at some point in the future, be such that people will be declaring peace and safety, the rapture will then happen and then sudden destruction will come upon those left behind.

      Many blessings

      David

       

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      • #12835
        Geri7
        Participant

        Yes, the unsaved will be saying “peace and safety” and the thief in the night happens to them because the church (well perhaps not all the church are watchers) but those who are watching are alert and anticipating the rapture.

        The question really should be … what is the “Day of the Lord” in that passage .. is that the rapture event or when judgment starts?    The church could still be long gone and not have to wait for the world to be in a false sense of “calmness” with the cure for the virus, etc.   Because there is another verse that says “the Lord is coming at an hour you think not” so if we are waiting for calmness to return and “business as usual” that wouldn’t fulfill “when you think not”.   The eating, drinking, marrying, partying (college students were on spring break at the beaches) and some are still having secret big entertainment parties in their homes and buying (or should I say hoarding up paper products and food) is still happening right now during the calamity.

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    • #12838
      Geri7
      Participant

      Sorry to be a “fickle Fiona” but I’m also pondering  … when the graves open up for the “dead in Christ saints” to rise … how much damage will be done to the earth’s tectonic plates? :scratch:   Will that trigger major earthquakes globally?  Will it trigger tsunami tidal waves globally?  Will that trigger all the volcanoes including Yellowstone  to explode?  Let alone if there are vehicle, bus, train, airplane, etc. crashes.  Is that the “sudden destruction”?   If so … then the rapture could be tide in with having to wait for the world to cry out for “peace and safety” and a cure for the virus?   :unsure:

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    • #12848
      Blue
      Participant

      I think the real reason for the call up of the National Guard and Navy hospitals off the coasts could be expected earthquakes and volcanoes…and i am also wondering if there will be an event that could change us back to a 360 day per year count. The earth is getting ready for the Lord’s return. There can be an earthquake with the rapture and the G/M war all happening at about the same time as we see many events converging….with the virus right along with them. Following the G/M war will come the white horse..peace and safety, then the red horse..another war which could be the sudden destruction. Or, see what Jack Kelley says in this link about The Day of the Lord:

      https://gracethrufaith.com/ask-a-bible-teacher/wheres-the-sudden-event/

      He says the Day of the Lord most often refers to the Great Tribulation.  So, the peace and safety and sudden destruction is all most likely either right after we are gone, or mid-trib. That would mean we don’t have to wait for peace and safety, we can leave this week!

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    • #12851
      Arthur
      Participant

      Some people call the tremendous earthquake that accompanies the Rapture,  the “Birthquake.”

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    • #12859
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Christquake!

      C – Section = Christ section!

      TR

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    • #12868
      Geri7
      Participant

      Yep, I’m leaning more now that the rapture happens before they find a cure for the virus because its setting the stage for not only the G/M war but for the super man to have the answers to resolve the worlds problems.  Check out the headline news for March 31st

       

      700 IDF troops, mostly unarmed, to join police in enforcing partial lockdown

      Arab states fear corona will lead to chaos, anarchy

      Italy Risks Losing Grip in South With Fear of Looting, Riots

      What Iran’s severe virus crisis might mean for its threat to the region

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    • #12877
      Blue
      Participant

      I appreciate the word study, David.

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    • #12884
      Geri7
      Participant

      Well I’ll be … even in the midst of this virus … perhaps we will be seeing a “peace and security” agreement VERY soon after all. :popcorn

       

      Pandemic cooperation proves Israeli-Palestinian peace talks possible, US diplomat says 

      US Deputy Ambassador Cherith Norman tells the UN Security Council that joint Israeli-Palestinian effort to prevent the spread of coronavirus demonstrates the type of cooperation necessary to resolve the regional conflict.

      by  News Agencies, Israel Hayom Staff   Published on  03-31-2020

      The kind of cooperation that Israel and the Palestinians have been demonstrating in an effort to curb the spread of the coronavirus crisis reflects the type of cooperation and dialogue necessary to resolve the regional conflict, US Deputy Ambassador Cherith Norman Chalet told the United Nations Security Council on Monday.

      Recent engagement between the parties “speaks to the power of dialogue – the kind of dialogue we have all been urging the parties to engage in for many months now,” Chalet said during the Security Council’s monthly meeting on the Middle East peace process.

      Speaking of the US peace plan, launched in late January, just before the global pandemic rose to the scene, Chalet said, “This is not the time for a complex discussion of the granular details of the Trump administration’s Vision for Peace.”

      She noted that the close cooperation between Israel and the Palestinian Authority could “provide a blueprint” for resuming the peace talks, deadlocked since 2014, once the coronavirus crisis subsides.

      The Israeli and Palestinian ministries of health have been coordinating regularly to mitigate the spread and impact of the coronavirus,” she said, adding that Israeli and Palestinian officials “have been meeting regularly for conversations” and have shared “best practices with one another to help those in their care stay safe and healthy.”

      This kind of cooperation demonstrates that human lives “can literally be saved – when leaders come to the table just to talk with one another,” Chalet said.

      “When COVID-19 has passed, the need for dialogue between Israelis and Palestinians will be just as great as it was before,” he said.

      – Fair Use –

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    • #12892
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      Interesting article, Geri. COVID-19 is stripping things down to the essentials. People are rethinking what is important and what is not. If we pass through this crisis and are not raptured we will see a new normal take shape and already are in many ways. Through it all, though, God has His hand on each of us and will guide us through just like He does every day of our lives. This crisis is no different.

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    • #12930
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Indeed having been afforded so many confirmations that our departure is near, I don’t think it’s time to start ruling things out.  But saying, let’s see what the Lord will do!

      Indeed confirmations being the reading between the lines of today’s news stories and prophetic discernment of the Spirit.  Rather than just an intellectual approach.

      Being spirit led, good exegesis, rightly dividing the word of God and prophetic discernment all needing to be considered, IMHO!

      TR

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