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May 8, 2023 at 4:02 pm #111147
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If you don’t want to sit through the video:
Do Things Have to Get Worse Before the Rapture? :: By Arden Kierce
Published on: May 6, 2023 by RR10 Category:General ArticlesAmong the different end-times prophecy sources I follow, it seems there are two main trends regarding what Christians are saying about what they see happening in the world today in relation to the Rapture.
The first (and most common) trend is for Christians to be very excited by how it seems that the Rapture could occur literally any day now. These Christians look at all the news surrounding the challenges facing Israel, natural disasters occurring in various places around the world, the wars and threats of wars, and developments moving toward world government and digital currencies, and see that the Tribulation is practically ready to begin. All that is left is for the Rapture to happen, and everything else could quickly fall right into prophetic place.
However, there is also a less common and more pessimistic view held by some Christians that, despite all these signs that seem to indicate the nearness of the Tribulation, the Rapture still can’t happen yet because things still need to get worse.
These more pessimistic Christians might say things like:
“Well, ten years ago, I didn’t imagine that things would get this bad before the Rapture, but here we are. Therefore, things could still get worse, and we need to be ready for it.”
Perhaps in their own way, these people are simply trying to care for fellow Christians who they fear might become disappointed if the Rapture doesn’t happen as soon as we hope it might.
However, to those Christians in the first category, to hear fellow believers in the Rapture say such things is disheartening, discouraging, and maybe even downright scary. It can seem to be a denial of our blessed hope (Titus 2:13) and a rejection of the encouragement that the Rapture should offer Christians (e.g., 1 Thessalonians 4:18).
These pessimistic Christians might even seem to us to be on the verge of becoming the prophesied ‘scoffers’ who say that these sorts of things have always happened, but still, Jesus has not returned, so don’t get your hopes up—we might still be here for decades (2 Peter 3:3-4).
Being told this by fellow believers in the Rapture can feel like a stab in the heart to all those who are eagerly longing for Jesus’ appearance and who are desperately praying for him to come soon.
So in this article, I want to argue that there is no reason why things must become worse before the Rapture can happen. In fact, I believe that things cannot become much worse than they are now before the world would effectively enter the Tribulation period.
My argument is based on how Jesus said that the next time he comes, it will be like it was in the days of Noah and the days of Lot.
The Bible describes Noah and Lot’s societies as being full of sin and evil (Genesis 6:5-8, 18:20-21). Yet at the same time, civilization was still holding together. People were eating, drinking, marrying, working, buying, selling, planting, and building (Matthew 24:37-42, Luke 17:26-30). These activities would not have been possible if there were not a relative level of peace and security in society, just like it is prophesied there will be before the Tribulation begins (1 Thessalonians 5:3).
It was bad enough that Lot felt distressed by all the evil around him (2 Peter 2:7-10), but still, it appears he was able to live and work in his wicked city without too much difficulty. It was only at the very end, when the angels evacuated him and his family, that their lives were at risk (Genesis 19:1-17).
Therefore, it is clear that Jesus’ prophecy about the world being like it was in the days of Noah and Lot must be speaking about the time just before the Rapture rather than Jesus’ Second Coming.
This is because Jesus warned that the seven-year Tribulation will be the worst time in the history of the entire world. It will be so bad that if Jesus does not cut the days short, no one on Earth would survive it (Matthew 24:21-22). People’s hearts will be failing with fear when they begin to see and experience all the terrible things that are prophesied to occur during the Tribulation (Luke 21:25-26 KJV).
As I describe in more detail in my book, A Detailed Biblical Introduction To The End Times (The Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Seven-Year Tribulation, and Pre-Millennial Return of Jesus Christ), at the time of Jesus’ Second Coming, the world will be nearly uninhabitable, thanks to the twenty-one judgments that God will send on the world during the Tribulation.
At least a quarter of the world’s population will have died after the Fourth Seal judgment (Revelation 6:7-8). Another third of humanity will be killed by the fire, smoke, and sulfur associated with the demonic army that will be released in the Sixth Trumpet judgment (Revelation 9:13-18).
Some of these divine judgments will likely include astronomical events beyond anything the world has experienced before.
A near miss of Earth by another large celestial body, like an asteroid or rogue planet, could theoretically shift the Earth’s orientation around its axis, thus changing the location of every geological landmark. Smaller asteroids that could be following such an enormous object might be pulled in by Earth’s gravity to become meteorites that cause widespread destruction (Revelation 6:12-17).
Later on during the Tribulation, an asteroid will directly impact the Earth’s ocean (Revelation 8:8-9), and another will poison a third of the world’s drinkable water (Revelation 8:10-11).
Earth being hit by a massive solar flare might explain the Fourth Bowl judgment (Revelation 16:8-9). If this flare were to wipe out the world’s power grid, it might explain the ‘darkness’ that cripples the Antichrist’s kingdom in the Fifth Bowl judgment (Revelation 16:10-11).
Such destruction of the planet’s power grid would be a blessing, as it would destroy the Antichrist’s digital system that will control all buying and selling through the Mark of the Beast (Revelation 13:16-18). A solar flare that shorts out all means of electronic communication would also explain the need for the Antichrist to use demonic couriers to quickly transmit messages long distances to the kings of the east, to summon them for the battle of Armageddon (Revelation 16:13-16).
By the end of the Tribulation, all the oceans and rivers will have been turned to blood (Revelation 16:3-4). Babylon will have been destroyed in an hour, apparently collapsing the world’s economy and thus causing all political leaders, merchants, and ship captains to mourn (Revelation 18:9-20). Finally, just before the battle of Armageddon, all the world’s cities will be flattened by hundred-pound hailstones, as well as an earthquake that is so severe that even islands and mountains will collapse (Revelation 16:18-21).
Due to all of this, I cannot imagine that anyone will be buying or selling, marrying, building, or planting at Jesus’ Second Coming. Thus, Matthew 24:37-42 and Luke 17:26-30 must be talking about the time when the Rapture happens, when life is going on normally for most of the world.
But how bad could things get before we are no longer in times that could be called ‘normal’?
I think we can say at least a few things because of how the church of Philadelphia is promised that they will not enter the time of the Tribulation (Revelation 3:10). This is because the “departure” (the literal meaning of the Greek term apostasia) of all true Christians to heaven in the Rapture will happen before the Antichrist is revealed in the First Seal judgment (2 Thessalonians 2:3-8, Revelation 6:1-2). The Antichrist will be identifiable when he confirms some sort of seven-year covenant between Israel and “many” (Daniel 9:27), which will probably be a peace treaty (Daniel 8:25 KJV, 1 Thessalonians 5:3).
Therefore, Christians today can trust that we will not see things become so bad before the Rapture that they fulfill events that are only prophesied to occur during the Tribulation. Thus, we can be confident that:
The world will not see a major nuclear war, such as might occur in the Second Seal judgment (Revelation 6:3-4).
Inflation, famine, or economic collapse will not become so bad that for most people in the world, it takes an entire day’s wages to buy a loaf or two of bread like it will in the Third Seal judgment (Revelation 6:5-6).
The spread of disease will not become so bad that 25% of the world dies, as in the Fourth Seal judgment (Revelation 6:7-8).
The Mark of the Beast will not be implemented (Revelation 13:16-18), even if we might see the system that enables it start coming into view through digital currencies and/or digital identification.
These reassurances, though, might not feel so comforting. What if inflation gets so bad that it takes 75% of a day’s wages to feed a family? What if a new plague were to wipe out 20% of the world’s people? What if Christians and other dissenters begin to be persecuted so badly by corrupt and lawless governments that we are no longer allowed to hold jobs, or buy or sell, even before the Mark of the Beast is created? Could these things still happen before the Rapture?It is true that Jesus said the signs of the end times will resemble the labor pains of a pregnant woman, by how they will increase in frequency and intensity as the Tribulation approaches (Matthew 24:7-8, Mark 13:8).
However, the Bible also says that Jesus will come like a thief who breaks into a house when people are not expecting it (Matthew 24:42-44, Luke 12:35-40, 2 Peter 3:10, Revelation 3:3). Or it will be like when an unsuspecting person walks into a trap (Luke 21:34-35).
Jesus warns that Christians who are not watching for his return risk being caught off guard when he returns at the Rapture (Matthew 24:48-51, Mark 13:32-36, Luke 12:45-48). This group likely includes the lukewarm Laodicean Christians who will think they are rich and prosperous (Revelation 3:17). So things must remain ‘normal’ enough before the Rapture that at least some Christians will still be unaware of the approaching Tribulation, and at least some churches will appear to be very wealthy and successful.
Yet Christians who are paying attention to the signs and watching for Jesus’ return will not be surprised by the Rapture (1 Thessalonians 5:4-6), even if we do not know the exact day or hour that it will occur (Matthew 24:36, 25:13, Mark 13:32).
When all of these verses are taken together, along with the earlier discussion of the days of Noah and Lot, the picture of what we should expect the world to be like before the Rapture is clear.
The signs will increase in frequency and intensity, and people will become worse and worse (2 Timothy 3:12-13). Yet things will remain normal enough that scoffers will continue to scoff about Jesus’ soon return (2 Peter 3:3-4), and at least some Christians will not see the Tribulation coming.
Thus, the world will not gradually enter the Tribulation in a series of continually escalating crises and disasters. Instead, the world will be in a state of “business as usual” until sudden disaster strikes them without warning, like when a person steps into a trap or when a woman in labor has her water suddenly break as the unstoppable delivery process begins.
This instantaneous transition point will be the Rapture. In the chaos that follows the disappearance of millions or maybe even billions of people, everything will quickly fall into place to allow for the rise of the Antichrist to power and the signing of a peace deal between Israel and “many.” Then, the sudden destruction of the twenty-one divine judgments will begin (1 Thessalonians 5:3).
So there is no reason why the world must become any worse than it is now before the Rapture can happen.
Indeed, given the increasing intensity of the rumors of major wars, earthquakes, persecution of anyone with traditional conservative and/or Christian values, rising violence and immorality in Western societies, and so forth, it does not seem that things can get much worse before “business as usual” would be interrupted.
If someone argues that Christians are not suffering enough yet to justify God rescuing us in the Rapture, this seems to be a very Western-centric perspective. Around the world, Christian persecution has increased 70% in just the last six years, and currently, over 360 million Christians are suffering greatly for their faith.[1]
Christians in the West are also quickly waking up to these ominous trends. A survey done one year ago in April of 2022 by the Pew Research Center said that 39% of all adults in the USA believed that humanity is in the end times. This increased to 63% among evangelical Christians.[2] How much higher would these numbers be if the survey were done today?
Even secular analysts are seeing that the world cannot continue on indefinitely as it is now. Several months ago, Israel’s Intelligence Ministry put out a report in which they said:
“The world is at a transition point analogous to being on the verge of a cliff, after which a series of crises striking simultaneously will reorder the planet’s geopolitics, the place of technology, the economic order, and a variety of other disciplines from health to energy, according to Israel’s first government national intelligence estimate.”[3]
If China were to invade Taiwan, as it continues to threaten, UK foreign secretary James Cleverly warns that it would likely “destroy world trade.” He “added that he shuddered to think of the financial and human ruin that would ensue.”[4] Thus, it does not seem that such an invasion could occur before the Rapture because it would severely disrupt “business as usual.”
For the same reason, it is very unlikely that the Russia-Ukraine war will break out into World War III before the Rapture, despite the former Russian prime minister Dmitry Medvedev recently warning that it could.[5]
Ongoing concerns about the world’s economy, inflation, the banking system, and potential future food or energy shortages are obvious to anyone who follows the news. Some experts have predicted a food crisis in 2023.[6] Other experts say there will be at least a recession [7], if not an outright depression.[8]
There are many experts warning about a coming war between Israel and its neighbors.[9] Current tensions make it seem that the Psalm 83 war could break out at any moment, which would be a perfect setup for the Gog-Magog war that is prophesied in Ezekiel 38. Either of these wars could be the precondition for the Antichrist to confirm a peace treaty in Daniel 9:27.
Furthermore, the rapid advance of artificial intelligence threatens to change the world in ways that we cannot predict. Some experts have said the impact of AI will be “orders of magnitude” greater than the invention of electricity or the Internet.[10] Other experts are calling for a worldwide stop to AI development out of fear that it could kill everyone on the planet.[11]
Either way, such developments would likely not allow the world to remain ‘normal’ for long. Personally, I suspect that some sort of AI might become part of the Image of the Beast that can speak and will greatly aid the Antichrist in his control of the world during the Tribulation.
Thus, the world today perfectly matches the conditions that are prophesied to be in place just before the Rapture. All the signs are here, especially regarding events that foreshadow the first few Seal judgments. Yet somehow, the world is still going along like normal, and most people (even Christians) are oblivious to the nearness of the Tribulation.
It does not seem that there is time for any more world wars, economic collapses, hyperinflation and/or global famines, or another pandemic to disrupt things for a few years, followed by even longer for the world to recover back to a state of “business as usual” before the Rapture can happen.
Instead, all of the things that experts warn are lining up to happen in the near future prove that if there was ever a time for Christians to wake up and watch intently for Jesus’ appearance in the clouds at the Rapture (Luke 21:28), it is now!
If you have never believed in Jesus, it is very urgent that you do so now in order to be accounted worthy of escaping all these things that will be coming on the world after the Rapture happens (Luke 21:36, KJV).
Simply admit that you have sinned by not loving God with all your heart, soul, and mind and by not loving others like you love yourself (Matthew 22:35-40). Then trust that Jesus Christ really is who he said he is—the Son of God—and believe that because of his death on the cross and his bodily resurrection, all your sins are forgiven (John 3:13-18, 3:36, 6:28-29, Romans 4:22-25, 1 Corinthians 15:14-17).
If you believe this, you are guaranteed to experience eternity in the amazing New Heavens and New Earth with God the Father, Jesus, and all other believers (Ephesians 1:13–14, Hebrews 12:22-24, Revelation 21:1-8). Hold on to your hope in Jesus’ soon return because it will not be long until we are taken out of this world by Jesus himself, and you will be rewarded with a crown (Revelation 3:11, 2 Timothy 4:8).
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May 8, 2023 at 4:35 pm #111138
Thanks. I read the article instead of watching the video.
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May 8, 2023 at 5:10 pm #111139
Israel is planning a mass return to the Temple Mount on May 18th while Hamas threatens Flag Day
Per Israel365news
Temple Mount advocacy groups are planning something special on Jerusalem Day, which will be celebrated in 11 days on Thursday, May 18, a mass ascension to Judaism’s holiest site.
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Hmmm … May 18th
is Ascension Day … could the rapture happen then?
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May 8, 2023 at 5:19 pm #111140
Hmmm … May 18th is Ascension Day … could the rapture happen then?
It could but I’d prefer today!
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May 8, 2023 at 5:28 pm #111141
Well, unfortunately, you don’t get to pick. And surely you wouldn’t balk at ascending on the 18th?
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May 9, 2023 at 12:05 pm #111211
ANY day is just fine with me…just Come Lord Jesus, come for Your anxious chillins
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May 9, 2023 at 12:08 pm #111212
Any day except yesterday!
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May 8, 2023 at 5:37 pm #111143
Lol, no, I wouldn’t balk at the 18th.
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May 9, 2023 at 4:23 am #111201
On Torah Calendar, Pentecost 2030 is May 9. May 11, 2030 Is the 81st anniversary of Israel being admitted to the UN. Subtract 1260+1290 from this time period and it comes to May 16-18, 2023.
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May 9, 2023 at 10:08 am #111205
That works. On the Gregorian calendar it’s May 28th so 18th or 28th, both work out nicely 😊
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May 9, 2023 at 8:52 am #111203
Bob Barber update … he pin points from the constellations signs that its looking like the 2nd coming appearing is scheduled to happen on Feast of Trumpets in 2030
So if that is the case … the rapture can’t happen then and we need to focus on the barley harvest of spring time in May … will it be Ascension Day or Pentecost or ….?
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May 9, 2023 at 9:46 am #111204
I have always thought it was interesting in scripture how the hour of Jesus’s ascension was not recorded…..we know that the apostles knew what time of day He ascended before them but it was not recorded….perhaps purposefully…..we know it was during the day but that is all
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May 12, 2023 at 12:34 pm #111314
Short 11 minute clip … Aaron making a strong case for Ascension Day.
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May 12, 2023 at 4:59 pm #111327
Thanks Geri!
Forty days after Passover… 40 is such a significant number! It normally refers to a time of trial or testing, and the days since Passover have certainly been quite testing. Testing our faith… hanging in there… waiting and watching for Him.
And we are the Body of Christ. It doesn’t need a stretch of the imagination for the Body of Christ to leave in the same way and on the same day that He did with His earthly body. It’s a beautifully simple idea, don’t you think?
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May 13, 2023 at 2:38 am #111343
Excellent informative 2 hr presentation from Bob Barber with Greg Messina, Paul Adams, and Kevin Hoekman
World Leaders Accelerating Efforts in Preparations for Christ Return in 2030!
Various informative discussions including … the plan is not to take away America’s guns but for the gun owners to run out of ammo once all the illegals come over the boarder. After the rapture it will be violence and chaos … then when the dust settles, the Chinese will be taking over our former homes. So America will be the worse place for the left behind to live during the tribulation … plus you have Yellowstone exploding toxic ash everywhere and the New Madrid quake will split the country, etc.
Starts @ 13:15 marker point
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May 13, 2023 at 9:06 am #111348
Thanks. Oh dear. The key phrase of course is “after the rapture”. Meanwhile I hope New Madrid is stable until we’re out of the way. Looking forward to watching when Bob becomes available.
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May 19, 2023 at 8:30 am #111501
I thought this was interesting about the global earthquake dream at the resurrection/rapture event … and the interpretation of it from Bob Barber … the left behind will never forget it and believes the unsaved will be watching us ascend upward! It ends at the 15:35 marker point. Then if you want to skip the advertisement … the 2nd dream about the Wedding preparations for our arrival starts at 19:28 marker.
Resurrection Global Earthquake Coming! And Wedding Preparations for Our Arrival! Pre-Trib Dreams!
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May 19, 2023 at 12:25 pm #111505
I woke myself up this morning singing this song in my sleep. Can I get an amen? My anticipation of the date appears to be impacting me when I’m asleep :-). Jesus is coming back!
Hmmm doesn’t look like the video rendered — just in case:
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May 19, 2023 at 1:11 pm #111507
Amen!
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May 23, 2023 at 1:38 am #111609
About 18 minute update from Bob Barber … I had no idea this is happening right now.
Interesting comments from 3 watchers
The Messianic Jews are teaching Yeshua all through Israel and many are getting saved the full redemption will happen during the 7 years but still pray for them because many are being saved.
Dr Barry Awe
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BOBBY BEE! THIS IS HUGE!!! When Daniel knew by the books the 70 years of captivity were up, God led him to pray! Why did Daniel pray for what he knew was gonna happen? Because that’s God’s way! You’re right brother, this is huge!Something interesting that came to me: Since the Revelation 12 sign of September 23rd 2017 we’re now in the 69th month which ends at May 25th going into the 70th month. The day before Shavuot. And counting from that day 7 biblical years (360 days) you land on April 18th which is Passover.
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May 23, 2023 at 3:55 am #111613
Short 6:50 minute update timeline from Aaron
Here are some interesting comments:
Tu B’Av is when the unwed women wear white and go dancing in the vinyards in hopes that one of the men may choose her as a bride…. very fitting for HIM to come claim THE BRIDE.
I’ve read that Boaz married his gentile bride, Ruth, on Tu BAv……if so, this would certainly seem to be representation of the Rapture
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May 23, 2023 at 4:11 am #111616
Ooh …. Another intriguing thought in the comment section:
Daniel 8:14 where it says there will be 2300 days until the sanctuary (temple) is cleansed. So if we prescribe to the idea that the tribulation period is 2520 days and the temple is cleansed upon Jesus’s return, that leaves an unaccounted 220 days at the beginning of the tribulation. If one of the conditions for Israel to divide her land is allowing them to build their temple, then 2023 becomes much more interesting.
The UN General Assembly happens to meet this year on the Feast of Trumpets (they don’t always meet at this time, it just happens to line up this year) and one thing they want to do is drag Israel to the world courts to further divide the land. If this division is what starts the Tribulation on the Feast of Trumpets, and Israel begins constructing the temple on that day, if you count 220 days forward, you land on passover. Basically, the temple takes 220 days to build and is open for business on Passover of 2024.
2 weeks prior to Passover 2024 happens to be when the April 8th ‘X’ eclipse across America occurs.
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May 24, 2023 at 2:36 am #111637
Facebook claims ‘Jesus’ is ‘hate speech’:
A columnist has reported at the Washington Times that Facebook called “Jesus” hate speech and said it was censoring the reference. The stunning report comes from Billy Hallowell, an interviewer for Faithwire and CBN News and a co-host of “Quick Start Podcast.”
He writes at the Times that he was taken aback recently when Facebook sent him a notice that, “Your post goes against our Community Standards on hate speech.”
He doubled-checked the social media giant’s wild claim and found it was referring to his explanation of the Christian message of salvation documented by the story of the Resurrection.
What he said his offending post was, “Jesus died so you could live.”
“It was a message I recalled posting early last month in an effort to summarize the central message of the Gospel: Jesus’ sacrificial death for mankind and his ushering in of hope and salvation. The message is essentially New Testament 101,” he wrote.
“Facebook proceeded to declare that its ‘community standards’ are meant to ensure everyone feels ‘safe, respected and welcome,’ though, in those moments of confusion over the hate speech flag, I didn’t feel any of those sentiments,” he wrote. “An ominous line about future infractions was included in the warning. It read, ‘If your content goes against our Community Standards again, your account may be restricted or disabled.'”
Ultimately, Facebook sent a follow-up that confirmed, “We have removed your post from Facebook” because the post was in violation.
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May 25, 2023 at 12:46 am #111654
Reverend Franklin Graham Issues Warning to America: “The Storm is Coming…Every Demon in Hell Has Been Turned Loose”:
Orlando, Florida- Reverend Franklin Graham has warned America about the “coming storm” headed its way. Churches and ministries are in the crosshairs.
The Christian Post reported that Graham, who serves as president of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and head of Samaritan’s Purse, sounded the alarm during a keynote speech Monday evening at the National Religious Broadcasters convention in Orlando, Florida.
I believe there is a coming storm that we all need to be ready for,” Graham said. “The world has deteriorated so quickly. We cannot be deceived and we can’t be fooled. We need to get ready and be prepared.
It’s not going to be good. The world is deteriorating so quickly. It seems like every demon in hell has been turned loose.
Graham had more foreboding news to share as well: traditional mediums of communication will be of no use either during the storm.
As Fox News reported, Graham explained to the audience that believers in the United States are “living in a cancel culture that wants to destroy Christian organizations.” The radical left’s woke LGBTQ agenda is a key driving force behind the canceling of Christians, he added.
Graham cited multiple examples of conservative and Christian organizations, and how this has [happened] in recent years. This includes the National Committee for Religious Freedom, which had its Chase bank accounts closed without warning last October.
Graham also told audience members not to be intimidated by assaults on their way of life and to keep sharing the Gospel. We cannot back up, we can’t retreat, don’t apologize for the Gospel. Just declare it, just preach it.
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May 25, 2023 at 6:54 pm #111677
Quoting Franklin Graham:
“The storm is coming……………….every demon in hell has been turned loose”
That’s very believable and evident!
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May 26, 2023 at 6:14 pm #111686
This is a very interesting time for this sign in the sky. Gemini is supposed to represent the first and second coming of Christ, and there is Venus, the planet that represents Christ as the Bright and Morning Star right in the middle of Gemini. Meanwhile the moon, which represents the church, as it has no light of its own but reflects the Sun’s, passes right by Venus as it occupies the spot between the two comings. This happens just days before Pentecost. Quite a coincidence, don’t you think?
https://skyandtelescope.org/observing/sky-at-a-glance/this-weeks-sky-at-a-glance-may-19-28/
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May 26, 2023 at 6:31 pm #111687
The following was in my email from Tom Gaston and I thought I’d pass it along. It is really interesting timing that the US economy could default right after Pentecost, on June 1!:
“A startling Hebrew gematria!!!!!!!!
[……And it’s time to judge America….]
ו הגיע זמן לשפוט את אמריקה
5 + 100 + 10 + 200 + 40 + 1…+…400 + 1…+…9 + 6 + 80 + 300 + 30…+…700 + 40 + 7…+…70 + 10 + 3 + 5…+…6 / total = 2023
I find it very interesting and ominous that America could “default” on its National Debt by “June 1st” coming up. And Pentecost ( Saturday / Sunday May 27th and 28th ) just precedes this important date and decision which America needs to make for our economy. And so wouldn’t be something If the Lord came on Pentecost right before June 1st , and that the Rapture of the Church will cause the “whole world” ( global Stock Market ) to CRASH, and thus cause all the nations to DEFAULT” on their National Debt which would be caused by the Rapture event.”
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May 26, 2023 at 6:47 pm #111688
Are the aliens coming?
https://www.foxnews.com/us/ufo-spotted-lurking-above-us-largest-marine-base-we-got-aliens
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May 27, 2023 at 2:05 pm #111708
3hrs until Pentecost starts in Jerusalem calendar wise. Happy Pentecost and Happy Birthday fellow members of our Church! :)
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May 27, 2023 at 5:18 pm #111709
From Five Doves, James Brownlow’s post: 25 Ways Pentecost Points to Rapture:
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May 27, 2023 at 6:18 pm #111710
The aliens are coming down, we are going up!
I am leaving on a jet plane.
Oh Babe I love to go!
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May 27, 2023 at 6:28 pm #111712
I’m going too, but John Denver is too whiney. I’ll take the train.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi7MFZ84uSM
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May 27, 2023 at 9:16 pm #111718
By the way, just for fun it was 9am in Jerusalem when Pentecost happened:
Acts 2:15 NIV
These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning!
9am central time would put it at 1am for me in Wisconsin :)
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May 27, 2023 at 9:37 pm #111719
Welcome Joel!
(records show Joel is a 3 year member)
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May 27, 2023 at 11:48 pm #111724
Been lurking for much longer than that too hehe :)
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May 29, 2023 at 12:58 pm #111753
Some humor while watching …
🎵Rapture watchers in the house tonight 🎶
And …
Shofar blowing contest … I get goose bumps every time.
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May 29, 2023 at 1:05 pm #111754
We’re still here! Do I have time to make (and send) any more blankets?
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May 29, 2023 at 1:20 pm #111755
LOL … just to be safe in case Jesus is waiting for you to complete your next blanket … just knit/crochet one mitten. 😉
The only thing I felt confident in was the Easter/Resurrection/Passover rapture
However, I still feel confident in 2023 being “the home going year” and for … “you know who to be the man with the plan” … so now I’m wondering do we need to wait until he suddenly shows up in Israel … he has a 7 year deal offer … do we need to hear “peace and safety” dividing of Jerusalem before we leave?
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May 29, 2023 at 1:28 pm #111756
We’re convinced of 2023 also. I just requested a custom pattern. At least if I don’t finish I’ll be caught doing what I’m supposed to be doing.
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May 29, 2023 at 1:44 pm #111757
Awesome sound!
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May 29, 2023 at 7:08 pm #111770
Re: YouTube video “If we don’t leave soon, we will loose our minds”
yes, that is what I have been scared of for myself.
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May 30, 2023 at 11:47 am #111773
But we are leaving soon.
Perhaps not when we think it will happen but seeing that we could be just a few weeks before Tribulation events commence, the rapture will have to happen before.
Look up, prepare for departure and not for any event to happen on this earth.
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May 30, 2023 at 12:38 pm #111774
Barry Awe and Tyler from generation2434 among others have taken a deeper look at Pentecost and come to the conclusion that the actual timing is different from the traditional view. I think they make a very strong case. If correct, the date for this year is still to come…
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May 30, 2023 at 12:53 pm #111775
When do they think it will be? I still like the lilies blooming in May-June.
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May 30, 2023 at 5:36 pm #111794
Tisha B’Av more or less, so late July this year. There’s hours of content from both on youtube about why they think this. I have a screenshot of some timelines Tyler put on Telegram that gives a quick idea of some of the reasons. Let’s see if I can get that to post…
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May 30, 2023 at 6:15 pm #111798
Thanks. I don’t think we would have the stamina to sit through hours and hours of videos. I notice the 4th of July on those charts. That would be fun.
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May 31, 2023 at 12:52 pm #111804
I think it is about mid July roughly 7 weeks after what has already been celebrated as Pentecost. Whether or not that is the true Pentecost or not, I do like this time frame. Jesus said…..
“Do you not say, ‘There are still four months and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest!” John 4:35 and if Nisan 1 was around March 24th and we count 120 days that would put us around July 22nd ish…so the next few weeks will be super high watch time….which every day is at this point. I hardly watch or pay attention to any news any longer…..I have got my ears honed into listening for that shout!! Come Lord!
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May 30, 2023 at 1:52 pm #111780
Yes Heidi, it’s hard to take; people have gotten so wicked. Their way of thinking is way out there. I worry most for the children. Come rescue them and us Lord Jesus.
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May 30, 2023 at 5:39 pm #111795
I also worry about the elderly. Scammers cheating them out of their life savings or getting abused and neglected by loved ones or health care workers.
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June 1, 2023 at 7:18 pm #111826
You Say You Want a Revival?:
One of the most common questions we get at Lamb & Lion Ministries is whether we think America will experience another nationwide revival. Our consistent answer is that we do not see how our culture would tolerate — let alone be receptive to — a major spiritual awakening. That is not to say that God could not do a mighty work. With Him “all things are possible” (Matthew 19:26).
We also see no evidence of a major revival in the End Times. If anything, we expect growing apostasy and more virulent rebellion against God. That is why Jesus asked rhetorically whether the Son of Man will find faith on the Earth when He comes again (Luke 18:8).
Still, we fully expect that the Holy Spirit will continue transforming individual lives as men and women embrace Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord. At times, gatherings of people will be convicted as the Holy Spirit moves and ministers mightily. During the Tribulation itself, many people will trust in Christ, including a great remnant of the Jewish people. The hope that lives will be impacted for eternity is what motivates us every time Lamb & Lion Ministries holds a conference or offers a series of prophetic messages.
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June 2, 2023 at 4:27 am #111832
Yes, we can’t get discourage in warning the unsaved and even though we aren’t seeing the results now … because so many will be getting saved after the rapture. Some watchers believe everyone will see us flying upward to the clouds. It will shock and wake up everyone left behind. They will realize the rapture was a true event and not a fairy tale. They will remember our testimony (our talks/emails/letters/Bible tracts handed out urging them to get saved). Life on planet earth is going to change drastically after the Restrainer is removed.
4th seal broken
Revelation 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
5th seal broken
Revelation 6:9 – 11
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
6th seal broken
Revelation 6:12
the persecution against the tribulation saints stops for a little while because of …
Great earthquake, sun turns black, moon turns bloody, stars fall, heaven departs as a scroll, mountains and island move out of place and everyone hides so the GREAT RESET cabal (kings of the earth, Great men, Rich men, Chief Captains, Mighty Men, bondsmen and freemen) go into their caves underground shelters and cry for the rocks to fall on them.
Then another group of Tribulation saints are seen in heaven and its a massive number …
Revelation 7:9-17
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;Revelation 9:15
4 angels loose from Euphrates River to kill 1/3 part of mankind and the rest who were not killed by the plagues yet repented not.9:21
Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries (vaxx, pharmacy drugs), nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. (You will own nothing and be happy) – I think this verse pertain to the GREAT RESET cabal.Then another group of tribulation saints die because they refuse the mark of the beast
Revelation 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
And we haven’t even gotten to the vial judgments …
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June 2, 2023 at 5:07 am #111834
Bob Barber youtube – for those looking for ideas in left behind letters and making kits for your lost loved ones or friends/neighbors … you might be interested in this .. he has free flash drives explaining the rapture event and how to get saved and other material for the left behind. Or you can download all the material to your own flash drive.
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June 2, 2023 at 10:03 am #111835
7 minute clip from Aaron
Interesting comments
This is Pride Week in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv.. Reminds me of Amos 8, where it speaks of Jacob’s pride and turning their festivals to mourning. Yesterday a sand storm completely darkened the sun
I’ve always thought the verse pointed to the Jews so the timing would be the 2nd coming of Jesus. When Jesus rules from Jerusalem.
The second day is the two thousand years since he died and the THIRD day is the thousand year millennial reign of Christ
As soon as it rolled off your tongue it was clear it is speaking of the redemption and the millennium reign! 2 days is the 2000 years we have been in the age of grace and then we are raptured up for the 3rd day which is millennium!
I believe the feast of wine on Enoch calendar is June 6 there about.
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June 3, 2023 at 2:34 pm #111855
Got the following in my e-mail; I didn’t know this weekend could possibly be Pentecost; high watch this weekend!:
“DON’T FORGET to look up this weekend. /
The next full moon will be on Saturday, June 3, at 11:42 p.m. EDT (03:42 GMT on June 4), but the moon will still appear full the night before and after.
Besides being the last full moon of spring, it is a moon brimming with eschatological significance.
To begin with, the full moon is when the “husband” or “goodman,” a picture of Jesus, is scheduled to return:
“My husband is not at home; he has gone on a long journey. He took with him a bag of money and will not return until the moon is full” ( Prov. 7:19, 20 ).
Additionally, because the moon is a symbol of the Bride of Christ, the full moon, white and radiant, is a picture of the Bride prepared for the wedding.
But the full moon of June has even more prophetic overtones:
• The full moon of June is traditionally called the “Honey Moon.”
• The full moon of June occurs in the constellations Scorpius, Ophiuchus, and Sagittarius, the heavenly signs depicting the victory over death at the Rapture ( 1 Cor. 15:52, 54, 55 ).
• The full moon of June coincides with the wheat harvest, a picture of believers gathered into God’s “barn” at the Rapture ( Matt. 13:30 ).
• The full moon of June is when the agricultural signs in the Bible’s rapture allegory, Song of Songs, are peaking in Israel: the rainy season is over; flowers are blooming; fig trees are forming their early fruit, and grape vines are blossoming ( Song 2:8–13 ).
• The full moon of June this year lands on Saturday–Sunday, the days associated with the Lord’s appearing, resurrection, and new beginnings ( John 20; Rev. 1:10–13 ).
Finally, and most significantly, the full moon of June coincides with the biblical date Sivan 15, which some calculate to be Pentecost.
The Sivan 15 reckoning of Pentecost has an interesting numerical correlation in the Gospel of John: Because Hebrew dates are written right-to-left, Sivan 15 would appear as “15/3.” This is significant because 153 is the number of fish that the disciples, or “fishers of men,” brought to the Lord when He appeared to them the third time (John 21:11, 14). Additionally, the net in which the 153 fish were caught up was dragged over the right side of the boat.”
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June 3, 2023 at 3:14 pm #111856
9 minute clip from Aaron
Grafted Into Tribe Of Judah? 7.5 Years Rapture Looks Close
Are we grated into the Tribe of Judah?
In the comment section:
Short answer, by birth, no. Unless (obviously) you literally were. BUT, short answer, by MARRIAGE, yes. We inherit the family line of Judah to us, regardless of nation, by association with the Groom by MARRIAGE. Presently, following the typology, we’re betrothed, engaged if-you-will, promised that inheritance at MARRIAGE. But in the natural you’re still a Jew and a Gentile. Joseph is a good typology. He had two names. One Jewish and one Gentile, and the two are combined in One. So it will be at the MARRIAGE.Samson’s Riddle
Judges 14:14
Samson’s riddle is found in the biblical Book of Judges, where it is incorporated into a larger narrative about Samson, the last of the judges of the ancient Israelites.The riddle, with which Samson challenges his thirty wedding guests, is as follows: “Out of the eater came something to eat, and out of the strong came something sweet.”.Interpretation from that same watcher
Out of the Lion comes forth meat. Out of the STRONG something SWEET. The Hebrew word for Bee also happens to be a play on the word Grace. Put it together. Meat (law). That lion can’t save. But STRONGER than law, out of death comes GRACE.
That LION can.– Fair Use –
Speaking about LION … Remember this oldie hit?
The Tolken’s … “The Lion Sleeps Tonight” Live
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All the men have microphones, but not the female singer, Kelly DeFade 😆 … she’s got an amazing voice.
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June 3, 2023 at 3:29 pm #111858
Oops actually she does have a microphone
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June 3, 2023 at 3:40 pm #111859
Thanks. I remember, but I like this one better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41tgOaFXTWU
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June 3, 2023 at 6:53 pm #111863
Therefore, Christians today can trust that we will not see things become so bad before the Rapture that they fulfill events that are only prophesied to occur during the Tribulation. Thus, we can be confident that:
The world will not see a major nuclear war, such as might occur in the Second Seal judgment (Revelation 6:3-4).
Inflation, famine, or economic collapse will not become so bad that for most people in the world, it takes an entire day’s wages to buy a loaf or two of bread like it will in the Third Seal judgment (Revelation 6:5-6).
The spread of disease will not become so bad that 25% of the world dies, as in the Fourth Seal judgment (Revelation 6:7-8).
The Mark of the Beast will not be implemented (Revelation 13:16-18), even if we might see the system that enables it start coming into view through digital currencies and/or digital identification.Yohanan, thank you for posting the script for the video “Do things have to get worse before the Rapture?”
I don’t like listening to people. I prefer to read.
What he says is comforting.
Geri, thank you for posting the video.
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June 3, 2023 at 10:49 pm #111868
How Can You Not See The Fulfilling Of Biblical Prophecy Everywhere You Look?:
Twenty-five years ago, it would’ve been impossible for the antichrist to control commerce in the world in the way that we read in Revelation 13:16-18. He would’ve needed a massive army of devotees to do so. Today, with the advances in Artificial Intelligence, gigantic databases, and 5G technology, it will soon be possible for one person to set the parameters of buying and selling for everyone in the world. By the midpoint of the Tribulation, he will be able to control buying and selling worldwide with the flip of a switch.
How can any believer not see the fulfillment of prophecy in this? The words of the book of Revelation are coming to life before our eyes.
The start of June signals a time of lewd displays of wickedness, which become viler and more disgusting each year. When one also considers the blood of innocents that flows from the abortion mills in America, one has to wonder how much longer before God says “Enough!”
It takes a purposeful ignorance of biblical prophecy not to recognize that the world, and especially the U.S., rests on the edge of a cliff.
HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THE SOON ARRIVAL OF GOD’S WRATH UPON AMERICA?
I believe Jesus is coming soon for His church. The wildcard in the timing of the Lord’s appearing consists of both His sovereignty and restraining power.
I am also convinced that God will severely judge America, but He is exceedingly patient waiting for more people to turn to Him before He pours out His great wrath.
If you look at world events and think the Lord should have come for us by now, it shows you understand Bible prophecy as well as the role of the Holy Spirit restraining the full force of destruction and deception that will come with the unveiling of the antichrist.
We are living on borrowed time. God is sovereign, but from our perspective, we see His patience with a nation gone mad. He’s holding back the full explosion of evil and destruction that will happen at the beginning of the Day of the Lord.
Don’t be discouraged, the Lord will reward your confidence in His promises.
How Can You Not See The Fulfilling Of Biblical Prophecy Everywhere You Look?
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June 3, 2023 at 11:01 pm #111871
Davis School District In Utah Forcibly Removes The King James Bible After Complaints From Liberals Who Were Denied Child Grooming Books:
The King James Bible has been removed from a number of schools in the Davis School District in Utah after a committee found it contained ‘vulgarity and violence.’
In the heart of the Mormon paradise, the state of Utah, a battle is raging amongst Far Left Liberals who, being denied their “rights” to expose children to books on transgenderism and gender fluidity, have demanded that the David School District forcibly remove the King James Bible from the shelves.The Davis School District review committee decided to pull The Bible from all schools other than those at a high school level after a parent filed a challenge last year, citing passages that describe sex and violence.
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