May 10, 2022 at 8:52 am #98744
We often speculate if we will be given a 10 day, 7 day, 3 day or even day before heads up warning when the rapture is about to occur.
I am on the fence about this and think it could go either way according to God’s purpose, but there is some Biblical precedent so I do think it is possible – whether we get one or not I don’t know – but for the purposes of this thread and what I would like input/ opinions on is this:
If we do get a rapture warning – what does that look like?
When Billy Graham died a few years ago many took that as some sort of a warning and if we saw Damascus destroyed tomorrow – many I am sure would see that as some kind of warning. Damascus would carry more weight because it is Biblical prophecy – but the point I am trying to get at is if we look to the Bible for our example – the Biblical example does not appear to be anything like what we speculate on today.
The Biblical example always seems to be a direct warning through a prophet, not a sign to speculate on. But what would that look like today? Most of the time when someone claims to be a prophet today they are summarily dismissed as a quack or nutter.
If someone claimed to be a prophet and said that the rapture was going to happen in 7 days we would all feel pretty certain that person was nuts I think. With one exception.
The only way I think that this would be valid is if such a person could perform a sign like the Old Testament prophets did to validate thier message – do you agree? I don’t even know if we could rely upon another correct prediction to validate a rapture warning. What if someone came foreward and said “one week from now Damascus will be destroyed and 2 weeks from now is the rapture” and supposed it came to pass that one week later Damascus was destroyed – does that make that person a prophet or just good at “reading the tea leaves” of military intelligence.
So what do you think it looks like if we get any sort of a heads up? What should we even be looking for if anything?
May 10, 2022 at 9:39 am #98749
As I have often said and long maintained, an unarguable divine disclosure deposited into our spirits simultaneously!
For each and every saint to be raptured! A divine disclosure of knowledge! Bypassing any individual lest any be exalted above another!
Accommodating God’s heart of disclosure and crowning the spirit of prophecy (Christ)!
As has long been God’s m. o. Also being a loving and personal gift to the Bride of Christ!
May 10, 2022 at 9:42 am #98750
May 10, 2022 at 10:48 am #98751Geri9Participant
Well … I picture the rapture happening this way (but I’m not dogmatic about it)
The twinkling of the eye is only the changing of the bodies and the flying away is much slower process for ALL to see … just like in this passage …
Acts 1:11 Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
1. The Lord Jesus will descend from the clouds
2. He will give a shout out
3. The dead in Christ rise first … the graves will be opened … just like at the time of the crucifixion and there was an earthquake … but the bodies of the believers didn’t rise until AFTER Jesus rose from the grave. Then … they walked about and appeared unto many (to the people they knew).
4. Notice the colon symbol after the word first: That means there is a pause of how much time?
5. So I’m wondering if our relatives suddenly appear at our door and actually ring or knock on our doors and say its time to go! 😉 Then we are instantly changed too and we rise together to meet Jesus in the clouds?
6. Or when its our time (alive and remain group) we are quickly changed and fly up to meet each other in the clouds. Either way … let’s go!
Matthew 27:52-53. And the graves were opened — Some of the tombs were shattered and laid open by the earthquake, and doubtless continued open all the sabbath, since the law would not allow of any attempt to close them on that day: but the dead bodies which were in them did not come to life till Christ’s resurrection had taken place, and they appeared unto many (those they knew personally). (Benson Commentary -Fair Use -)
I Thess 4:16-17
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
May 10, 2022 at 11:11 am #98752
Again also, Israel was given marching orders 3 day before crossing over the Jordon!
3 days in the belly of a whale! 3 days was Christ in the grave! Lazerus was dead 3 days and raised on the 4th!!
Any advance warning from God would not alter events of the Rapture!!! But only enhance them!
Yet it is still a great wonderment to me that as we chase knowledge of the Rapture in the smallest of details and dissect the word and history of God that this concept of an advance warning provided by God himself, has garnered so little attention and even disdain!
Again, I am at a great loss in my Spirit to reconcile the level of fear and belief!!!!!
May 10, 2022 at 2:21 pm #98757
Again, I am at a great loss in my Spirit to reconcile the level of fear and belief!!!!!
My belief is no one is in fear of the 3 day concept. It’s more a simple matter of whether an individual *believes it or not, or that *either way, it isn’t a concern for them.
That isn’t fear! For either of those reasons, it may be a discussion that some don’t wish to enter in to. The simplicity of looking up – waiting to hear that shout from our Lord, may be the greater longing for them.
Heeding a 3 day warning may not be a concern to many because it isn’t written. What many or most may be relying on is their simple Faith Hope and Joy in the promised rapture alone, however it occurs.
God gave us a written biblical description and possibly most saints have greater spiritual peace in taking Him for His Word as written, which is enough. Where trust in that alone, is greater to them than concern over a 3 day warning that is not promised and remains uncertain.
May 10, 2022 at 2:42 pm #98758Lee GiblinParticipant
I sensed a shift in “the force” starting the beginning of May. Not just believers but the world in general, like we turned a final corner and are on the last lap. We are seeing the takeover of our countries, health, speech, etc that was going to happen in 2030 moved up to 2023 – in other words 6 months!
I have thought for years that as the Body of Christ we would ALL know the “time” of Jesus’ return for us. In my years of study I think we need to watch the signs in the earth and sky. We’ve seen an increase of earthquakes and solar signs. I’m hoping for a Full Moon rapture at midnight Jerusalem time. Will we get a 3 day warning? All I can think of is the bridesmaids waiting and hearing the horns of the parade coming near. I think we will ALL hear His coming, will it be 10, 3, or 1 day I’m not sure but I keep checking here to see if anyone is getting a “Word from the Lord” with others getting it also.
Hope to see you all soon! Lee
May 10, 2022 at 2:46 pm #98759
As such, I have refused to present a formal teaching! But rather a simple what if proposition!
Even so, given our predaliction for undrstanding prophecy and as much effort as is given on this site to that end, I don’t understand what anyone’s fear could be based upon???
It simply doesn’t make sense?!
If it does happen I will give thanks, and if it doesn’t, I will give thanks!
May 10, 2022 at 2:56 pm #98760
All good stuff so far – I will concur with TR if all of us got the same “download” from the Holy Spirit all at once – that sure would be an unmistakeable sign – but if that happens who among us would be so bold as to admit it first?!?!?! Lol! I know I would probably refrain and think everyone is not going to believe this.
The only issue is that I can’t find where anything like that ever happened in the Bible, so that would seem to be a brand new thing. As far as I know any warnings given in the Bible came through a prophet or spokesman of some kind, nevertheless if the scenario TR suggested were to happen as a new thing, it would be unmistakable.
Also considering what Geri and Kolleen said as well, I do wonder if there is a delay in between the “glorification/new body” and the actual catching up as Geri said, which does seem to have a little bit of scriptural precedent from the scriptures that Geri cited, yet along the lines of what Kolleen was talking about, I wonder if an obvious warning not only to the church but also to unbelievers, (if the saints were glorified prior to rapture, thus providing a small warning even to the unbelieving world) would violate God’s method of letting people believe by faith alone and not by sight.
It seems like the Bible alludes to at our removal there will be a strong deception among unbelievers, so how will the unbelievers be so easily deceived if it is extremely obvious that we are glorified before we vanish? These are just the things I ponder, I could really go either way, because I will readily admit I have no idea how God is going to do the play by play on this one. But I am enjoying reading all of your thoughts on this one.
May 10, 2022 at 2:57 pm #98761
May 10, 2022 at 3:01 pm #98762Rick JonesParticipant
The Apostle Paul told the Thessalonians that the lawless one would be revealed after the restrainer was removed. He was telling them that things they see going on around them would be their notification. We see the effects of lawlessness happening now more that ever. We should be watching the things going on around us. The whole 2020 election was lawless and that lawlessness is seen as lies coming from the government, the media and big corporations.
What are we seeing? We see Trump and his followers saying things that parallel what we know to be truth. There is a convergence of such between what we know to be of God and what we know to be of man. “Your kingdom come your will be done on earth as it is in heaven”. We can see that convergence is happening now. Paul told us to wake up, Trump’s followers are saying the same thing, wake up. Paul said to be ready, Trump’s followers are saying to be ready. Paul said we are children of the light, Trump’s followers say to expect 10 days of darkness. Even now with Trump’s truth coming out they are saying the darkness will happen very soon. We can feel that Jesus is coming for us very soon. Our eyes are not to be fixed on Trump, but on Jesus. We know that Jesus is using Trump and has been since Trump was born 70 years, 7 months, and 7 days before he took the office of President of the United States. We can see the happenings around Trump and can understand it’s God who is in control. I think it is very exciting to watch what is going on. I feel that our blessed hope is very close, any day now.
May 10, 2022 at 5:34 pm #98765HeidiParticipant
May 10, 2022 at 6:41 pm #98772
I totally agree Rick, the abundance of general signs of the times are out there giving us very good reason to look up. I can easily see conditions lining up for seals 1-6 opening over the next few months. War. Inflation with food shortages appararently imminent. Widespread death possible by an experimental therapy that many participated in. Reports of the poles moving by 5 miles per month predicting a total pole shift no later than a year from now could very easily be a indicator of 6th seal events. The facts are there and general signs abound. I guess what I was wondering is will we get anything more than this, as in a specific sign or message? And what would that look like?
In the past such warnings were issued by prophets, but maybe not in the church age because all believers are filled with he Holy Spirit, so maybe there will be no one prophet with that singular message, since the Spirit is in all true believers, in that regard, maybe TR’s speculation could hold some weight . And maybe there will be no warning, who knows? I have often joked, a little warning would be nice because it would be nice not to be in the shower or in the restroom when it happens – that would be awkward!
May 10, 2022 at 6:43 pm #98773
May 10, 2022 at 9:21 pm #98779WendyParticipant
2 Timothy 4:18 – “Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.”
If the Christians who are actively watching and longing for Jesus’ appearance are going to be rewarded with a crown, maybe they will also be the ones who will be granted the privilege of a forewarning of Jesus’ arrival, although I don’t know how long beforehand – maybe a few hours or minutes?? I imagine that He wouldn’t grant that privilege to the Christians who aren’t watching and longing for His appearance, and who even don’t want it to happen for a long time or maybe not at all – they would prefer to live out their earthly lives to old age and hope that the Rapture won’t interrupt it. So they would not react well to a sudden heads-up that the Rapture is about to happen and that would be insulting to Jesus. But the watchers would rejoice!
May 10, 2022 at 9:45 pm #98780HeidiParticipant
who like me feels strongly about the following:
that the lockdowns, lack of entertainment, spectator sports,………………was used by God to get people’s attention cause the hour is really late. People are always distracted with entertainment, sports and other stuff and all that was shut off for an extended period of time to get people to think of other stuff.
May 11, 2022 at 7:29 am #98804
I totally agree with you Heidi, when the lockdowns and all of that started happening a couple of years ago I could almost feel something stirring in the spirit as if a division were happening – it was as if God was trying to tell people- time to get serious and as if He was dividing those who are serious about Him from the unbelievers and even the make believers.
May 10, 2022 at 11:21 pm #98786BlueParticipant
May 11, 2022 at 9:56 pm #98847MelissaParticipant
I don’t think we are going to get a specific warning just prior to the rapture, but I believe we already have been given a huge heads up! It is amazing that the Ritan Facebook site has grown so quickly to 44,000 members over the last couple years. It seems that the Lord has truly grown this site which makes me further believe that we are on the right track. We watchers are blessed to know the truth and to be able to share our faith on this site.
May 11, 2022 at 11:45 pm #98850
One reason the Facebook RN grew and is growing fast in this last year, is that Facebook changed some things to where anyone wanting to register, only needs to make a preview comment on any post before we mods have approved them – and Facebook calls those people automatic “members.” Not easy to explain, but it is causing rapid growth. So, a good portion is Facebooks doing, which we wade through daily for proper registrations.
May 12, 2022 at 7:36 am #98854
Well again – not a specific “sign” indicating “the date” but if you want more general signs of the times to look to, I came across this really good article in my email inbox this morning. It gives a review of more conditions present pointing to our soon departure. My chief takeaways are that Israel is closer than ever to two things: Rebuilding the Temple and war. They are cutting the cornerstones for the temple it is being reported and there is an operation that recently began on Israel’s birthday (according to the Jewish calendar and runs through Pentecost called “Chariots of Fire”. I am still hoping for a Second Passover departure this weekend, but maybe this is a sign that our “chariots of fire” will come for us on Pentecost – who knows? Here is a link to the article I was referencing-
May 12, 2022 at 6:10 pm #98875JasonParticipant
May 12, 2022 at 7:15 pm #98881TammieParticipant
Very nice read Derrick — I love the phrase coined “Zion Cube” — ever notice how the deceiver uses his version to bring fear “the Borg Cube – you will be assimilated” — God is perfect peace, love, and righteousness — Satan only breeds fear and lies.
I would agree that we are certainly “at the door” — and John saw a door open in heaven and the angel said come up here and I will show you what must soon come to pass …. Rev 4 —- as most of us understand it, the church is not mentioned again after this great event of John going through the heavenly portal to see … what must soon take place ….
It is so very exciting to be the terminal generation and to know that we will soon see the face of Jesus and enjoy God’s amazing kingdom … see you in the RITAN tea room
May 13, 2022 at 10:20 am #98902
May 17, 2022 at 6:47 am #99094BlueParticipant
About the 10 days of darkness that Rick referred to, I was thinking that there are 10 days from Ascension Day to Pentecost. I am hoping to go up before it gets dark!
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