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    • #15901
      Leaving Soon
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      This is basically going to be a follow-up to watchman35’s thread “Will We Be Gone Before Having to Make a Decision on a Quantam Dot Vaccination?”

      Will We Be Gone Before Having to Make a Decision on a Quantam Dot Vaccination?

      So now the question that arises is if we are still here when the implantable quantum dot tattoo vaccination comes out as early as this fall should we take it ?

      I don’t think they will pass a law or point a gun at anyone to take the vaccination but they will probably threaten a person and their family’s livelihood and use that kind of pressure to take it.

      Also if we are still here we can reason to ourselves that it won’t be the official “Mark of the Beast” so we won’t have to worry about damning ourselves to Hell if we take it.

      We can also use Romans 13:1-7 to reason to ourselves to take it.

      But with that said I don’t think any Child of God should take that Satanic vaccine.

      If the time comes and we are still here and forced to make a decision to take or not to take the vaccine I think we should be like Daniel in Daniel 1:8

      “But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king’s meat, nor with the wine which he drank: therefore he requested of the prince of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself.”

      And after purposing in our hearts not to take their Satanic vaccine we need to be bold and ready to suffer the consequences knowing we did the right thing before The Lord like Daniel’s 3 friends in Daniel 3:16-18

      “Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.”

      God may be giving us a heads up to purpose in our hearts not to take this vaccine. Hopefully we won’t be here to make that decision but if we are what do you think we should do as God’s children ?

       

       

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    • #15902
      tenderreed
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      Agreed 100%.  Should it come to that crossroad, as I have said, He may take us to the waters edge as like with Israel only to see Him deliver us from evil!  TR

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    • #15903
      Watchman35
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      Leaving Soon Said:

      God may be giving us a heads up to purpose in our hearts not to take this vaccine. Hopefully we won’t be here to make that decision but if we are what do you think we should do as God’s children ?

      I pray that we will be gone, Lord.  I have a very hard time envisioning a scenario where I would take that vaccine, knowing what I know.

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    • #15910
      Geri7
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      If we are still here for the roll-out of the Gates’ vaccine … nope, I will refuse it.  And if it means standing in the other line to die for my faith, so be it.  I will gladly volunteer to be in the front of that line.  The sooner to get out of this world, the happier I will be.  Just think if we die for our faith … we simply gain another crown. :whistle:

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    • #15918
      tenderreed
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      More than a Marty’rs crown.  All the sooner we will be with Him!

      I don’t believe however the Lord will require His church to be martyr’ed.

      Should we suffer hardships, we would hope to do so as those before us!

      With one hand in His, and the other grasping eternity together!

      TR

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      • #15931
        Perhaps Today
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        I hope not also, but remember, Christians are being martyred in many countries right now.

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    • #15921
      MyWhiteStone
      Moderator

      Leaving Soon, I really liked that article so I tried to pass the link to a friend using Facebook Messenger.  Guess what.  “This link can’t be shared because it goes against our Community Standards.”  (Surprise, surprise, surprise!)  I think they misspelled community.  I think they meant to say Communist Standards.  It’s an easy typo to make. :yes: :whistle: :mail:

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      • #15923
        Leaving Soon
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        Yep ! Facebook has now blacklisted all links from Brighteon.com and NaturalNews.com

        https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-05-20-facebook-blacklists-free-speech-video-platform-brighteon.html

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      • #15928
        Geri7
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        I don’t have a facebook account but I’m wondering if there is a way to cut and paste the entire article on facebook vs not posting the link and then use secret codes (Initials) for the reference sources?  Or is facebook set up by sending links only?

        Its a great article referencing what’s truly inside these toxic vaccines!  I had a tetanus shot in January and now I’m wondering what did they put in that?!   I refuse all flu shots … the last one was back in the 1980’s and I was sick as a dog for 5 days and I vowed never again. :negative:   I’m going to try to share this article  thru emails … not sure if Google mail will intercept it and block it.

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    • #15933
      tenderreed
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      Indeed many are martyr’ed.  The have always been around as part of God’s witness!  An elite club for sure.

      That said, we are His Bride!  Unlike those who died in the wilderness!  The vaccination itself no doubt will kill some.

      Death continues!  No greater way to embrace death than for the name of Christ!  No other crown carries the luster than a Marty’rs crown, IMHO!

      TR

       

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    • #15934
      tenderreed
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      Christ died for us!  Can we do no less but to recipricate?!  TR

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    • #15944
      Tammie
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      TR and RITAN family our faith may be still tested yet, not sure, most of you who have known me for any length of time on RITAN know that I hold to an eminent (any minute) return Of the Bridegroom for the Bride and as we are now in the Galilean bridal season, certainly listening for that shofar to blow as the Father sends the Bridegroom, watching and praying earnestly for His call. I say all that to restate what most believe and understand — BG is crazy with evil power hunger, many others along with him (eternity, sadly enough won’t go well for them); this vaccine is bad in and of itself. The unknown properties are a huge concern to many in the healthcare industry. If you look at what happened in India and Africa because of BG’s handiwork, people left here should be very afraid.
      I don’t believe the church will be here for the release of his vaccine, it is not the “mark of the beast” – that is a physical mark and will have (in my opinion) a DNA change, but it is primarily an Allegiance to the AC or a heart / soul matter.  I know for a fact (Revelation clears that up well) the church won’t be here for that mark. Tribulation saints will be here.

      I also don’t believe it will come down to Martyrdom with this, it is a matter of the removal of civil liberties and rights of humanity. BG, Falsy, Brixy, and a troupe of others should be arrested and charged with crimes against humanity and treason against the USA. It remains once again to be “follow” the money and desire for world power and you see who is behind it all (beside evil). I smell Rockefeller’s, Soros, etc…..

      1 John 3:16 “By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers.”

      See you all soon! :prayer-hands:

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    • #15977
      Arthur
      Participant

      Esther 4:16

      16 “Go, gather all the Jews who are present in Shushan, and fast for me; neither eat nor drink for three days, night or day. My maids and I will fast likewise. And so I will go to the king, which is against the law; and if I perish, I perish!”

      If I perish, I perish.

      Seems appropriate for this situation. :)

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    • #15981
      Leaving Soon
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      • #15986
        Geri7
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        Gag!  These people truly have reprobate minds.  There is that Marina Abramovic “spirited cooking” going on in LA with many of the “stars”, high level elites including B. Gates so nothing at all surprises me.  The McDonald’s brothers (yep the heirs of the hamburger chain) have close ties with the 13 top Illuminati families that are running this freak show. Last year I had a coupon for one of their quarter pounder burgers … soon after eating one I felt my stomach swell up and I became violently ill so I do wonder what’s REALLY inside that “burger” than just fake chemicals. :negative:

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    • #15992
      gratefulforgrace
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      after looking into genetic stuff being used for new vaccines (mRNA etc. ) i became very concerned about that whole thing, but i never had really looked into the whole thing about other materials found in the vaccines and honestly figured there was no way to know the truth of what’s in there or their affects on us, but i about made myself sick yesterday once i took a tiny dip into that pool…

      you do not have to rely on websites you know nothing about and places that seem or have been labeled as conspiracy rumor mills…you actually can see the truth for yourself of facts they actually make public…they do use acronyms of some materials, but then you can find where these things are actually sold and see plain as day what they are…surprisingly even wikipedia says some of this stuff outright about origins of things used.

      (i don’t see it in the rules here, but since i’m not copying whole articles, etc so i think it’s ok to just put links on here so people who want to can dig a little in order to be prepared for informed decisions we may be faces with…)

      good starting point   https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/vaccines-licensed-use-united-states

      Vaccine Excipient Summary (extra stuff in them in a chart on US government website that they got from manufacturers’ information)    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

      MRC-5” info from place it is purchased   https://www.atcc.org/products/all/CCL-171.aspx#characteristics

      “IMR-90” info of it’s origin  https://www.atcc.org/products/all/CCL-186.aspx#characteristics

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC274969/   article from 1978 about some of these things they use from aborted babies  (somewhere yesterday i saw on a research science possible govt. website thing where they told exactly that it was from a legally aborted baby – i think it said Dutch? i don’t know…but this is for real…and from what i understand, they use the frozen cells and clone them and use them to grow viruses in them, etc. even in making the diagnostic tests)

      also from what i understand but didn’t recently research, they can use stem cells from the umbilical chords of babies born alive and not aborted and it doesn’t hurt the baby or the mom to use for good developments of treatments etc. and have no need at all to use cells from aborted babies!

      i can’t handle researching all the other ingredients right now…ugh, we’ve been so trusting…sad…i know one with aluminum something i did see stuff with awful things that happened in testing it but i can’t remember if it was just in animals…idk, but if you dig you can find actual scientific research results and documented side effects or complaints etc. on real government and medical websites…

      i realize more and more how incredibly merciful and patient our Lord is 2 Peter 3:9  His love is amazing!  but there is a limit…evil (especially the blood of the innocent) piles up and up to the Heavens and He is not only love, but also a God of perfect Holy Justice and He will punish the unrepentant people who rebel in self centered pride and hate towards all that God did and does and Who He is, and I am much less sad for those who will face His wrath!

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      • #16006
        Tammie
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        Yes, we can harvest stem cells, They hold what we call “daughter” cells And are not yet differentiated, so for instance placed with cells from a liver, they will differentiate into a liver. It’s a bit more complicated than what I am saying here, but the research and work around using the daughter cells is fabulous and without harm to the newborn infant from which they came from. You can freeze daughter cells (and they have) to have for later in life if you need them for a failing organ, without rejection, now realize this is still very new science, but some daughter cells have been tested 4, 5, plus years later and still able to replicate into the host organ cells. Unfortunately, brain cells (neurons) along with most nerve cells still cannot be grown, the computer and its wiring are still a one time purchase, if you will forgive my humor. Our God is just beyond awesome in the development of our bodies, we are truly fearfully and wonderfully created. Course, most of you know I can go and on about that so I’m just going to stop here.
        Although I understand much about the genetic unraveling of DNA, RNA and the proteins involved, they are dabbling were they should not go in trying to create the super beings or change our structure as they want, my tiny guess is that satan does not know how God created so has been very busy trying to figure that one out and to the harm of mankind, which he cares nothing for, but if he can destroy God’s glorious creation (which he can’t) he thinks (that’s the problem) he will win (boy is he wrong on all points) —— just saying! :prayer-hands:

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    • #16002
      gratefulforgrace
      Participant

      couple more links to share associated with the Dr. they talk about in the link from Leaving Soon    https://www.jp2mri.org/ethical-controversy-of-gene-therapy

      https://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/news/cellular-engineering-technologies-and-john-paul-ii-medical-research-institute-report-new

      there are other ways to still advance in the medical field for the good of humanity without using human embryo cells for research and development!

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    • #16007
      Perhaps Today
      Participant

      From my chiropractors office…..

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    • #16021
      tenderreed
      Participant

      These are truly our days of decision.  Time to add to our Heavenly rewards by holding our heads up high, and to endure with distinction!

      As we grow and enhance our commitment to surrender, the Lord Almighty revels in our commitment to Him!

      Stand tall, and let us set our face as a flint to keep our eyes upon Him, not our situation!  Oh to make the Lord proud, no greater aspiration!

      TR

       

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    • #16025
      Geri7
      Participant

      Speaking of face …  check out what FaceFirst is up to …

      Facial Recognition Firms Pitch Covid-19 ‘Immunity Passports’ For America And Britain

      Forbes

      By Thomas Brewster

       

      When the world economy reopens and populations want to traverse borders again, some governments are going to want proof people aren’t coming in or leaving with Covid-19. Employers are also going to want to know their workforce isn’t going to be the epicenter of another outbreak. And so a handful of companies are bidding for business that will help the Trump and Johnson administrations on either side of the Atlantic keep tabs on travel (or attempted travel) of the infected.

      One of them is facial recognition startup FaceFirst. Located in Encino, California in 2007 and with $10.4 million funding, it’s been promoting the idea of a “coronavirus-immunity registry.” This will be based on a database run by medical providers, which will feed a smartphone app with your immunity status. Just as your iPhone opens if you show your face, the app will verify it’s you by using your face.

      The app will also tell employers and border control staff more about a person’s experience of Covid-19, says CEO Peter Trepp. It will know what kind of test you received, in case it was a defective one; it will include a record of whether you’ve been near infected folk or not; and it will note if you’ve had an antibody test too.

      This app would effectively act as what’s become known as a health or immunity “passport.” Though Trepp says taking temperatures is not enough, that could be another data point to add to the passport. “These are lots and lots of data points. And my belief is that collectively data points can be helpful in determining how you fill an aeroplane, do you fill an aeroplane with everyone we believe to be virus free, do you fill another aeroplane with everyone who has immunities to the virus,” he says.

      “The other benefit of this thing, of course, is to know who to vaccinate and who should be vaccinated first. And I don’t mean people with privilege or money… I mean people who have jobs where they can infect other people, or frontline workers.”

      Trepp doesn’t think there’s a decent alternative to the conundrum of keeping a second Covid-19 wave at bay. “The other solution, of course, is let’s hire thousands of people and make phone calls and build a big Excel spreadsheet and just ask people whether they’ve had it and whether they’ve been tested. That is laughable, in my view… It doesn’t work when you consider the power of a more centralized system.”

      Privacy worries
      There are obvious anxieties about any system that involves monitoring of people’s medical records. This week the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) raised concerns about such immunity passports, saying it could create “a new health surveillance infrastructure that endangers privacy rights.”

      On the privacy side, Trepp clarified that not only will any such system be opt-in only, any personally identifiable information will remain only on individuals’ smartphones “and will not be uploaded or available for collection by any organization or government agency. Therefore, no centralized surveillance database will be or can be established.”

      But there are civil liberties issues with such a system. The ACLU noted that passports risk dividing workers into the immune and the non-immune. “The latter might never be eligible for a given job short of contracting and surviving Covid-19 if an immune worker is available to take the slot,” the ACLU warned. This could lead to perverse outcomes, such as people willingly contracting Covid-19 to try to get the antibodies they need to get a job. Then there’s an obvious scientific issue: we still don’t know enough about Covid-19 to be sure that having antibodies prevent getting the disease a second time or how long their protective qualities last.

      Convincing governments
      If it does ever get the green light, such a centralized system will have to have the backing of the White House and Congress, Trepp says. He tells Forbes he’s in “indirect discussions” with the U.S. government, though doesn’t elaborate. When Forbes asks whether the $10,000 the company has spent on lobbying, according to a Senate record from this April, Trepp says it wasn’t for discussing his passport idea. But they show the company has talked with officials at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS) and the White House about “issues related to biometrics and facial recognition and entry and exit screening.”

      In the U.K., Onfido has been pushing for a similar rollout. The startup, which has (according to Pitchbook data) secured $265 million in venture funding and is perhaps best known as the provider of the verification technology behind challenger bank Monzo, has been pitching “a system for citizens, guests and employees to have proof of immunity that is designed to help an individual prove their health status, but without them having to share any other personal information.” Similarly, Trepp says his system would have a focus on privacy and that the user would have control over their medical data.

      Husayn Kassai, CEO and co-founder at Onfido, said in a statement that the technology “is used to tie a physical human being to their digital identity using just a photo of their ID and a selfie video. Once this is bound to a test result, the digital certificate could be displayed, like smartphone boarding passes.”

      Onfido has been approached by the U.K. Parliament’s Science and Technology Committee to submit a proposal for immunity passports. When asked if the company was pushing the technology in the U.S. or elsewhere, he said no discussions are yet taking place, but added: “We’re also consulting with other governments to make this process as seamless as possible.”

      At least one country, Estonia, is now trialling the passports in the workplace via an app created by the founders of Bolt and TransferWise, according to a Reuters report. Others will likely follow in one form or another. Americans and Brits alike will soon be tested on how far they’re willing to forego some civil liberties for the sake of reopening the country safely.

      – Fair Use –

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    • #16029
      2ndcoming
      Participant

      If the vaccine proved to be harmless and effective, I shall take one. This vaccine is not the mark of the beast. MOB won’t come until the middle of tribulation.

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    • #16053
      Arthur
      Participant

      While it may not be the MOTB, I highly doubt it will be safe and harmless.

      Unless they have been working on this for decades, (which opens up another kettle of fish) there is no way a vaxxxine that is rushed this quick could ever be safe and harmless, let alone be effective.

       

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    • #16068
      Blake7
      Participant

      As far as taking a vaccine this quick or at all , well I would say no. Have not taken one, even flu vaccines in decades, and have not had the flu as well as I can remember , ever. As far as worrying about privacy, well I’m disabled, have several health issues that contribute. Have been warned about my needs as well as life expectancy ,  these last few years seems all my addressed to me ” junk” mail, its all about pre death arrangement , health aids, rehabs etc, I do not use Google search, have no smart phone, just a old flip phone , use a VPN online, other than here and one other Christian site I have no social media , no Facebook no Twitter, no nothing, was on Facebook under a false name with ISP changed by VPN for a month or so but still closed account, but all this mail seems to already know my health. My VPN is not free I pay for it as I do for internet security, if they want to know they already do, the idea or concept of privacy I personally believe vanished as the internet grew , taking any chance of privacy long gone. I see many different doctors , MRI, xrays, lab work done all over. All this info goes from one to the other online, my MRI results are online sent quick as I can go from the imaging center to the doctor. HIPAA is just extra paperwork right next to the form holding them from any legal action if they mess up or even kill you in the processes they perform,  INDEMNIFICATION. One anesthesiologist I see every month, you would not believe the paperwork at every visit. Also the amount of  mail I receive each month that is health related from doctors , Medicare, insurance etc.  There is no telling how many people have access to this info. I gave up on privacy years ago.  I really have nothing to hide. Does the government know I’m a Christian , of this I have no doubt.

      YBIC Blake

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    • #16082
      Tammie
      Participant

      Blake —- you are spot on, absolutely no where to hide, no where to run. They know! I have one prepper friend who believes his hidden underground bunker will keep his family safe. I gently reminded this former military man in regard to satellite imaging and infrared signatures that are detectable for several miles under the earth surface and includes oceans.
      it is what it is! That being said, knowing Christ as Lord and Savior remains the only way to escape the wrath to come. :prayer-hands:

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      • #16084
        Geri7
        Participant

        Plus with all the earthquakes from the mountains moving out of place and flattening out … it will not be wise to be living in underground shelters.  :negative:  For those left behind … ironically the only “safe” place will be in Israel when the 2 witnesses and 144,000 have their ministry (at least the first 3 1/2 years) and then the rocky mountains of Petra, Jordan will be the only safest place on the planet.  Unless the area of Petra, Jordan is abandon earlier in the tribulation timeline ?

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    • #16088
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Again, well said!  There is but one hope alone.  And that choice is clearly faith in Christ!  Nothing and no one else saves.

      Though technology continues to grow, our fallen and unrighteous nature teaches we are incapable of saving ourselves!  Physicsally or spiritually.  Another great lie perpetrated since time began!

      TR

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    • #16106
      Arthur
      Participant

      Yes,  very good.  Put your trust In Jesus Christ,  our Saviour,  and you will never be put to shame.  :)

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