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    • #15901
      Leaving Soon
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      This is basically going to be a follow-up to watchman35’s thread “Will We Be Gone Before Having to Make a Decision on a Quantam Dot Vaccination?”

      Will We Be Gone Before Having to Make a Decision on a Quantam Dot Vaccination?

      So now the question that arises is if we are still here when the implantable quantum dot tattoo vaccination comes out as early as this fall should we take it ?

      I don’t think they will pass a law or point a gun at anyone to take the vaccination but they will probably threaten a person and their family’s livelihood and use that kind of pressure to take it.

      Also if we are still here we can reason to ourselves that it won’t be the official “Mark of the Beast” so we won’t have to worry about damning ourselves to Hell if we take it.

      We can also use Romans 13:1-7 to reason to ourselves to take it.

      But with that said I don’t think any Child of God should take that Satanic vaccine.

      If the time comes and we are still here and forced to make a decision to take or not to take the vaccine I think we should be like Daniel in Daniel 1:8

      “But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king’s meat, nor with the wine which he drank: therefore he requested of the prince of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself.”

      And after purposing in our hearts not to take their Satanic vaccine we need to be bold and ready to suffer the consequences knowing we did the right thing before The Lord like Daniel’s 3 friends in Daniel 3:16-18

      “Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.”

      God may be giving us a heads up to purpose in our hearts not to take this vaccine. Hopefully we won’t be here to make that decision but if we are what do you think we should do as God’s children ?

       

       

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    • #15902
      tenderreed
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      Agreed 100%.  Should it come to that crossroad, as I have said, He may take us to the waters edge as like with Israel only to see Him deliver us from evil!  TR

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    • #15903
      Watchman35
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      Leaving Soon Said:

      God may be giving us a heads up to purpose in our hearts not to take this vaccine. Hopefully we won’t be here to make that decision but if we are what do you think we should do as God’s children ?

      I pray that we will be gone, Lord.  I have a very hard time envisioning a scenario where I would take that vaccine, knowing what I know.

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    • #15910
      Geri7
      Blocked

      If we are still here for the roll-out of the Gates’ vaccine … nope, I will refuse it.  And if it means standing in the other line to die for my faith, so be it.  I will gladly volunteer to be in the front of that line.  The sooner to get out of this world, the happier I will be.  Just think if we die for our faith … we simply gain another crown. :whistle:

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    • #15918
      tenderreed
      Participant

      More than a Marty’rs crown.  All the sooner we will be with Him!

      I don’t believe however the Lord will require His church to be martyr’ed.

      Should we suffer hardships, we would hope to do so as those before us!

      With one hand in His, and the other grasping eternity together!

      TR

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      • #15931
        Perhaps Today
        Participant

        I hope not also, but remember, Christians are being martyred in many countries right now.

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    • #15921
      MyWhiteStone
      Participant

      Leaving Soon, I really liked that article so I tried to pass the link to a friend using Facebook Messenger.  Guess what.  “This link can’t be shared because it goes against our Community Standards.”  (Surprise, surprise, surprise!)  I think they misspelled community.  I think they meant to say Communist Standards.  It’s an easy typo to make. :yes: :whistle: :mail:

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      • #15923
        Leaving Soon
        Participant

        Yep ! Facebook has now blacklisted all links from Brighteon.com and NaturalNews.com

        https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-05-20-facebook-blacklists-free-speech-video-platform-brighteon.html

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        • #15928
          Geri7
          Blocked

          I don’t have a facebook account but I’m wondering if there is a way to cut and paste the entire article on facebook vs not posting the link and then use secret codes (Initials) for the reference sources?  Or is facebook set up by sending links only?

          Its a great article referencing what’s truly inside these toxic vaccines!  I had a tetanus shot in January and now I’m wondering what did they put in that?!   I refuse all flu shots … the last one was back in the 1980’s and I was sick as a dog for 5 days and I vowed never again. :negative:   I’m going to try to share this article  thru emails … not sure if Google mail will intercept it and block it.

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    • #15933
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Indeed many are martyr’ed.  The have always been around as part of God’s witness!  An elite club for sure.

      That said, we are His Bride!  Unlike those who died in the wilderness!  The vaccination itself no doubt will kill some.

      Death continues!  No greater way to embrace death than for the name of Christ!  No other crown carries the luster than a Marty’rs crown, IMHO!

      TR

       

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    • #15934
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Christ died for us!  Can we do no less but to recipricate?!  TR

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    • #15944
      Tammie
      Participant

      TR and RITAN family our faith may be still tested yet, not sure, most of you who have known me for any length of time on RITAN know that I hold to an eminent (any minute) return Of the Bridegroom for the Bride and as we are now in the Galilean bridal season, certainly listening for that shofar to blow as the Father sends the Bridegroom, watching and praying earnestly for His call. I say all that to restate what most believe and understand — BG is crazy with evil power hunger, many others along with him (eternity, sadly enough won’t go well for them); this vaccine is bad in and of itself. The unknown properties are a huge concern to many in the healthcare industry. If you look at what happened in India and Africa because of BG’s handiwork, people left here should be very afraid.
      I don’t believe the church will be here for the release of his vaccine, it is not the “mark of the beast” – that is a physical mark and will have (in my opinion) a DNA change, but it is primarily an Allegiance to the AC or a heart / soul matter.  I know for a fact (Revelation clears that up well) the church won’t be here for that mark. Tribulation saints will be here.

      I also don’t believe it will come down to Martyrdom with this, it is a matter of the removal of civil liberties and rights of humanity. BG, Falsy, Brixy, and a troupe of others should be arrested and charged with crimes against humanity and treason against the USA. It remains once again to be “follow” the money and desire for world power and you see who is behind it all (beside evil). I smell Rockefeller’s, Soros, etc…..

      1 John 3:16 “By this we know love, that he laid down his life for us, and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers.”

      See you all soon! :prayer-hands:

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    • #15977
      Arthur
      Participant

      Esther 4:16

      16 “Go, gather all the Jews who are present in Shushan, and fast for me; neither eat nor drink for three days, night or day. My maids and I will fast likewise. And so I will go to the king, which is against the law; and if I perish, I perish!”

      If I perish, I perish.

      Seems appropriate for this situation. :)

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    • #15981
      Leaving Soon
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      • #15986
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Gag!  These people truly have reprobate minds.  There is that Marina Abramovic “spirited cooking” going on in LA with many of the “stars”, high level elites including B. Gates so nothing at all surprises me.  The McDonald’s brothers (yep the heirs of the hamburger chain) have close ties with the 13 top Illuminati families that are running this freak show. Last year I had a coupon for one of their quarter pounder burgers … soon after eating one I felt my stomach swell up and I became violently ill so I do wonder what’s REALLY inside that “burger” than just fake chemicals. :negative:

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    • #15992
      gratefulforgrace
      Participant

      after looking into genetic stuff being used for new vaccines (mRNA etc. ) i became very concerned about that whole thing, but i never had really looked into the whole thing about other materials found in the vaccines and honestly figured there was no way to know the truth of what’s in there or their affects on us, but i about made myself sick yesterday once i took a tiny dip into that pool…

      you do not have to rely on websites you know nothing about and places that seem or have been labeled as conspiracy rumor mills…you actually can see the truth for yourself of facts they actually make public…they do use acronyms of some materials, but then you can find where these things are actually sold and see plain as day what they are…surprisingly even wikipedia says some of this stuff outright about origins of things used.

      (i don’t see it in the rules here, but since i’m not copying whole articles, etc so i think it’s ok to just put links on here so people who want to can dig a little in order to be prepared for informed decisions we may be faces with…)

      good starting point   https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/vaccines-licensed-use-united-states

      Vaccine Excipient Summary (extra stuff in them in a chart on US government website that they got from manufacturers’ information)    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

      MRC-5” info from place it is purchased   https://www.atcc.org/products/all/CCL-171.aspx#characteristics

      “IMR-90” info of it’s origin  https://www.atcc.org/products/all/CCL-186.aspx#characteristics

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC274969/   article from 1978 about some of these things they use from aborted babies  (somewhere yesterday i saw on a research science possible govt. website thing where they told exactly that it was from a legally aborted baby – i think it said Dutch? i don’t know…but this is for real…and from what i understand, they use the frozen cells and clone them and use them to grow viruses in them, etc. even in making the diagnostic tests)

      also from what i understand but didn’t recently research, they can use stem cells from the umbilical chords of babies born alive and not aborted and it doesn’t hurt the baby or the mom to use for good developments of treatments etc. and have no need at all to use cells from aborted babies!

      i can’t handle researching all the other ingredients right now…ugh, we’ve been so trusting…sad…i know one with aluminum something i did see stuff with awful things that happened in testing it but i can’t remember if it was just in animals…idk, but if you dig you can find actual scientific research results and documented side effects or complaints etc. on real government and medical websites…

      i realize more and more how incredibly merciful and patient our Lord is 2 Peter 3:9  His love is amazing!  but there is a limit…evil (especially the blood of the innocent) piles up and up to the Heavens and He is not only love, but also a God of perfect Holy Justice and He will punish the unrepentant people who rebel in self centered pride and hate towards all that God did and does and Who He is, and I am much less sad for those who will face His wrath!

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      • #16006
        Tammie
        Participant

        Yes, we can harvest stem cells, They hold what we call “daughter” cells And are not yet differentiated, so for instance placed with cells from a liver, they will differentiate into a liver. It’s a bit more complicated than what I am saying here, but the research and work around using the daughter cells is fabulous and without harm to the newborn infant from which they came from. You can freeze daughter cells (and they have) to have for later in life if you need them for a failing organ, without rejection, now realize this is still very new science, but some daughter cells have been tested 4, 5, plus years later and still able to replicate into the host organ cells. Unfortunately, brain cells (neurons) along with most nerve cells still cannot be grown, the computer and its wiring are still a one time purchase, if you will forgive my humor. Our God is just beyond awesome in the development of our bodies, we are truly fearfully and wonderfully created. Course, most of you know I can go and on about that so I’m just going to stop here.
        Although I understand much about the genetic unraveling of DNA, RNA and the proteins involved, they are dabbling were they should not go in trying to create the super beings or change our structure as they want, my tiny guess is that satan does not know how God created so has been very busy trying to figure that one out and to the harm of mankind, which he cares nothing for, but if he can destroy God’s glorious creation (which he can’t) he thinks (that’s the problem) he will win (boy is he wrong on all points) —— just saying! :prayer-hands:

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    • #16002
      gratefulforgrace
      Participant

      couple more links to share associated with the Dr. they talk about in the link from Leaving Soon    https://www.jp2mri.org/ethical-controversy-of-gene-therapy

      https://www.engineering.uiowa.edu/news/cellular-engineering-technologies-and-john-paul-ii-medical-research-institute-report-new

      there are other ways to still advance in the medical field for the good of humanity without using human embryo cells for research and development!

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    • #16007
      Perhaps Today
      Participant

      From my chiropractors office…..

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    • #16021
      tenderreed
      Participant

      These are truly our days of decision.  Time to add to our Heavenly rewards by holding our heads up high, and to endure with distinction!

      As we grow and enhance our commitment to surrender, the Lord Almighty revels in our commitment to Him!

      Stand tall, and let us set our face as a flint to keep our eyes upon Him, not our situation!  Oh to make the Lord proud, no greater aspiration!

      TR

       

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    • #16025
      Geri7
      Blocked

      Speaking of face …  check out what FaceFirst is up to …

      Facial Recognition Firms Pitch Covid-19 ‘Immunity Passports’ For America And Britain

      Forbes

      By Thomas Brewster

       

      When the world economy reopens and populations want to traverse borders again, some governments are going to want proof people aren’t coming in or leaving with Covid-19. Employers are also going to want to know their workforce isn’t going to be the epicenter of another outbreak. And so a handful of companies are bidding for business that will help the Trump and Johnson administrations on either side of the Atlantic keep tabs on travel (or attempted travel) of the infected.

      One of them is facial recognition startup FaceFirst. Located in Encino, California in 2007 and with $10.4 million funding, it’s been promoting the idea of a “coronavirus-immunity registry.” This will be based on a database run by medical providers, which will feed a smartphone app with your immunity status. Just as your iPhone opens if you show your face, the app will verify it’s you by using your face.

      The app will also tell employers and border control staff more about a person’s experience of Covid-19, says CEO Peter Trepp. It will know what kind of test you received, in case it was a defective one; it will include a record of whether you’ve been near infected folk or not; and it will note if you’ve had an antibody test too.

      This app would effectively act as what’s become known as a health or immunity “passport.” Though Trepp says taking temperatures is not enough, that could be another data point to add to the passport. “These are lots and lots of data points. And my belief is that collectively data points can be helpful in determining how you fill an aeroplane, do you fill an aeroplane with everyone we believe to be virus free, do you fill another aeroplane with everyone who has immunities to the virus,” he says.

      “The other benefit of this thing, of course, is to know who to vaccinate and who should be vaccinated first. And I don’t mean people with privilege or money… I mean people who have jobs where they can infect other people, or frontline workers.”

      Trepp doesn’t think there’s a decent alternative to the conundrum of keeping a second Covid-19 wave at bay. “The other solution, of course, is let’s hire thousands of people and make phone calls and build a big Excel spreadsheet and just ask people whether they’ve had it and whether they’ve been tested. That is laughable, in my view… It doesn’t work when you consider the power of a more centralized system.”

      Privacy worries
      There are obvious anxieties about any system that involves monitoring of people’s medical records. This week the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) raised concerns about such immunity passports, saying it could create “a new health surveillance infrastructure that endangers privacy rights.”

      On the privacy side, Trepp clarified that not only will any such system be opt-in only, any personally identifiable information will remain only on individuals’ smartphones “and will not be uploaded or available for collection by any organization or government agency. Therefore, no centralized surveillance database will be or can be established.”

      But there are civil liberties issues with such a system. The ACLU noted that passports risk dividing workers into the immune and the non-immune. “The latter might never be eligible for a given job short of contracting and surviving Covid-19 if an immune worker is available to take the slot,” the ACLU warned. This could lead to perverse outcomes, such as people willingly contracting Covid-19 to try to get the antibodies they need to get a job. Then there’s an obvious scientific issue: we still don’t know enough about Covid-19 to be sure that having antibodies prevent getting the disease a second time or how long their protective qualities last.

      Convincing governments
      If it does ever get the green light, such a centralized system will have to have the backing of the White House and Congress, Trepp says. He tells Forbes he’s in “indirect discussions” with the U.S. government, though doesn’t elaborate. When Forbes asks whether the $10,000 the company has spent on lobbying, according to a Senate record from this April, Trepp says it wasn’t for discussing his passport idea. But they show the company has talked with officials at the Department of Health & Human Services (HHS) and the White House about “issues related to biometrics and facial recognition and entry and exit screening.”

      In the U.K., Onfido has been pushing for a similar rollout. The startup, which has (according to Pitchbook data) secured $265 million in venture funding and is perhaps best known as the provider of the verification technology behind challenger bank Monzo, has been pitching “a system for citizens, guests and employees to have proof of immunity that is designed to help an individual prove their health status, but without them having to share any other personal information.” Similarly, Trepp says his system would have a focus on privacy and that the user would have control over their medical data.

      Husayn Kassai, CEO and co-founder at Onfido, said in a statement that the technology “is used to tie a physical human being to their digital identity using just a photo of their ID and a selfie video. Once this is bound to a test result, the digital certificate could be displayed, like smartphone boarding passes.”

      Onfido has been approached by the U.K. Parliament’s Science and Technology Committee to submit a proposal for immunity passports. When asked if the company was pushing the technology in the U.S. or elsewhere, he said no discussions are yet taking place, but added: “We’re also consulting with other governments to make this process as seamless as possible.”

      At least one country, Estonia, is now trialling the passports in the workplace via an app created by the founders of Bolt and TransferWise, according to a Reuters report. Others will likely follow in one form or another. Americans and Brits alike will soon be tested on how far they’re willing to forego some civil liberties for the sake of reopening the country safely.

      – Fair Use –

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    • #16029
      2ndcoming
      Blocked

      If the vaccine proved to be harmless and effective, I shall take one. This vaccine is not the mark of the beast. MOB won’t come until the middle of tribulation.

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    • #16053
      Arthur
      Participant

      While it may not be the MOTB, I highly doubt it will be safe and harmless.

      Unless they have been working on this for decades, (which opens up another kettle of fish) there is no way a vaxxxine that is rushed this quick could ever be safe and harmless, let alone be effective.

       

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    • #16068
      Blake7
      Participant

      As far as taking a vaccine this quick or at all , well I would say no. Have not taken one, even flu vaccines in decades, and have not had the flu as well as I can remember , ever. As far as worrying about privacy, well I’m disabled, have several health issues that contribute. Have been warned about my needs as well as life expectancy ,  these last few years seems all my addressed to me ” junk” mail, its all about pre death arrangement , health aids, rehabs etc, I do not use Google search, have no smart phone, just a old flip phone , use a VPN online, other than here and one other Christian site I have no social media , no Facebook no Twitter, no nothing, was on Facebook under a false name with ISP changed by VPN for a month or so but still closed account, but all this mail seems to already know my health. My VPN is not free I pay for it as I do for internet security, if they want to know they already do, the idea or concept of privacy I personally believe vanished as the internet grew , taking any chance of privacy long gone. I see many different doctors , MRI, xrays, lab work done all over. All this info goes from one to the other online, my MRI results are online sent quick as I can go from the imaging center to the doctor. HIPAA is just extra paperwork right next to the form holding them from any legal action if they mess up or even kill you in the processes they perform,  INDEMNIFICATION. One anesthesiologist I see every month, you would not believe the paperwork at every visit. Also the amount of  mail I receive each month that is health related from doctors , Medicare, insurance etc.  There is no telling how many people have access to this info. I gave up on privacy years ago.  I really have nothing to hide. Does the government know I’m a Christian , of this I have no doubt.

      YBIC Blake

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    • #16082
      Tammie
      Participant

      Blake —- you are spot on, absolutely no where to hide, no where to run. They know! I have one prepper friend who believes his hidden underground bunker will keep his family safe. I gently reminded this former military man in regard to satellite imaging and infrared signatures that are detectable for several miles under the earth surface and includes oceans.
      it is what it is! That being said, knowing Christ as Lord and Savior remains the only way to escape the wrath to come. :prayer-hands:

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      • #16084
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Plus with all the earthquakes from the mountains moving out of place and flattening out … it will not be wise to be living in underground shelters.  :negative:  For those left behind … ironically the only “safe” place will be in Israel when the 2 witnesses and 144,000 have their ministry (at least the first 3 1/2 years) and then the rocky mountains of Petra, Jordan will be the only safest place on the planet.  Unless the area of Petra, Jordan is abandon earlier in the tribulation timeline ?

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    • #16088
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Again, well said!  There is but one hope alone.  And that choice is clearly faith in Christ!  Nothing and no one else saves.

      Though technology continues to grow, our fallen and unrighteous nature teaches we are incapable of saving ourselves!  Physicsally or spiritually.  Another great lie perpetrated since time began!

      TR

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    • #16106
      Arthur
      Participant

      Yes,  very good.  Put your trust In Jesus Christ,  our Saviour,  and you will never be put to shame.  :)

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    • #17207
      Leaving Soon
      Participant

      Here’s some predictive programming from 2017 or 2018 about what they have planned for us starting later this year.

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      • #17209
        Arthur
        Participant

        I saw that!  Very interesting.

        At least,  the mark was portrayed as an evil thing.

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    • #17208
      tenderreed
      Participant

      The point really needs to be made here is this.  Mankind has survived for six thousand years without all this crap!

      Secondly, understanding their greedy motivations behind all the altruistic embellishments!

      Greed of power, money, and  control are the issue.  Let alone demonic agenda’s!

      TR

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    • #17318
      Geri7
      Blocked

      Nope, if we are still here for any of the vaccine roll-outs we should think twice before willingly accepting it if it comes from any of these “health lab organizations”.

      Geoffrey Grider @ NowTheEndBegins latest article … he exposes Bill Gates and his inner circle connections as head of the round table.   :wacko:

      – Fair Use –

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    • #18048
      Leaving Soon
      Participant
    • #18049
      MyWhiteStone
      Participant

      Wow, Leaving Soon!  Makes me wonder, “Who is like the Beast?”  :unsure: :unsure:   Or maybe it’s “WHO is like the Beast!”  :wacko: B-)   That article stretches credibility — my opinion.

       

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    • #18057
      Geri7
      Blocked

      How many of you have recently been to the doctor’s office?  If so, are they asking you the over the top crazy questions like “do you have a cough/are you sneezing/have a fever or been in contact with anybody in your home who has the virus or do you know of anyone who does have it?”  All the answers to these questions I’m sure are being entered into their medical database portal for future use … including “oh she refused to have a flu vaccine”  RED FLAG ALERT because chances are she is not going to want the COVID-19 vaccine either!!! ;-)

      So what are your thoughts … do you think the church will still be here when they start taking us away to these FEMA concentration camps or do you without a doubt feel the rapture will occur before this happens or are you just not sure and its a wait and see.  Don’t be shy … :feedback

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      • #18085
        Leaving Soon
        Participant

        Geri7, That’s been the $64,000 question that’s been on my mind since I first started hearing about red lists, blue lists, martial law, round ups, FEMA camps and all that stuff since around 2005.

        For the most part I have thought that we would be out of here before all of that stuff happens. I thought that maybe all of that stuff was getting set up for the AC to use during the tribulation.

        I’m kind of surprised that we are still here and witnessing this whole Covid thing. And same with this huge economic crash that people have been predicting for years.

        I still think there is a better than 50% chance that we will be out of here soon but that window is closing fast.

        I’ve been listening to interviews that I want to post soon. If we are still here by October we just may have to suffer and die like Jesus did for us.

         

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      • #38756
        Amy
        Participant

        I just went to my spine doc yesterday. Only taking temp. Monday I had to have labs drawn, same thing, just taking temp.

    • #18059
      Tammie
      Participant

      Yep! All questions asked and recorded B-)  masked before greeting. Remember, always have your cover! It’s not necessarily for you but all around you …. if I hear that one more time, I might physically puke on them, what a lie! :calvin

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    • #18061
      Blake7
      Participant

      At my doctor, and lab, would not even let me into building without temp taken and form filled out. My most important doctor I really need to be physically examined by every 28 days have been tele-med for 4 months and told next week visit will also be tele- med. They call first to get paid for a less than 5 minute call and make medical decisions no matter what info I give them. Have not had flu shot in decades and never remember ever in my life having flu.

      As far as if we will be taken by FEMA I don’t know but pray we are long gone before that, civil war would most likely be happening if things get to that point. Think they would probably just shoot  us at that point of unrest. :unsure:

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    • #18062
      Arthur
      Participant

      Don’t think we’ll be around to be dragged into FEMA camps,  IMHO. I can’t see the bride being brutalized like that.

      However,  even if we were,  it would be an opportunity to glorify God and perhaps receive a Martyr’s crown.

      We are in Good Hands.  No fear,  just faith.

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    • #18066
      tenderreed
      Participant

      I’m with you Arthur!  TR

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    • #18092
      Perhaps Today
      Participant

      Have God’s Children not been brutalized though out history? Just because we have had it so good in America, it has still been going on around the world.

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    • #18102
      gratefulforgrace
      Participant

      I’m starting to wonder with all the “canceling” of our nation’s history & systems and the restrictions on the freedom of her law-abiding citizens, if the “we who are alive and remain” may be a hint at the severity of persecution to come for the Church before the Rapture…the word “remnant” isn’t used in this verse, but when I look at definitions of “remnant” and know it’s use in the Bible, it does refer to the group of people “who are alive and remain” after a catastrophic event of some sort…

      makes me wonder if that’s why there is a rapture – a snatching away out of harms way- because otherwise there would not be any of us left alive on Earth before the Trib ( which He clearly doesn’t allow- and maybe because it shows HIS control, not evil man’s)

      I think He’s been working on us all to prepare us who are listening to Him…to trust and just take one step at a time…to occupy and not quit…to be willing and rely on HIS ability to live through us by His Spirit to be who He desires us to be (like His Son) and to do/go through anything He asks of us

      By the power of His grace, we are able to face anything with His wisdom, courage, and peace….We’ve got to let go of sin, and listen to His guidance in all things- prepare if He says to in ways He says to, do whatever work He says to- say what He says to, to who He says and when He says…etc

      …most of all trust in His goodness and love and keep your hope in HIM alone with a constant awareness of His loving presence within you!  Stay yoked to Jesus, and do not give into panic or hopelessness…we have such blessings in store for us for all of Eternity!

      God please help us!  We desperately need You every moment!

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    • #18111
      MyWhiteStone
      Participant

      I misread the thread title this morning.  It read, “Should we take the vacation ?”  That was a no-brainer.  Come take us, Jesus!! :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

      Ya just gotta get the cin out of the vaccination.  We’ll escape, cleansed from cin.

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    • #18113
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Good one Dan!  TR

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    • #18119
      Tammie
      Participant

      Dan, I read it twice in my sped read way and did the same thing, thought it was “Should we take a vacation “ —- each time I look at this thread, I have to remind my brain “no not vaca, vaccine” :mdrmdr: :mdrmdr: :mdrmdr: :mdrmdr:

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      • #18126
        Leaving Soon
        Participant

        Well if we don’t take the vaccination then I guess they are going to make us take a vacation instead in one of their cozy little FEMA camps they have set up for us.  YAY !

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        • #38757
          Amy
          Participant

          I had a dream the other night that we were all in FEMA camps and me and my friend were sitting there making fun of the guards… Pretty random! :mdrmdr: :calvin

      • #18136
        Geri7
        Blocked

        :mdrmdr:   Oh, I’m soooo glad I’m not the only one misreading this thread title … Every time it gets updated … my eyes are reading “should be take the vacation?!” LOL  And my first response is to reply YES!   Then I’m like … oh wait … NO, this about the vaccination.  B-)

        The scary thing is this isn’t even a math word problem … I seriously thought something was wrong with my brain … but so glad I’m in good company with you all who keep misreading the title too.  Hee hee

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    • #18139
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Tou know what they say.  No brains, no headaches!  And I haven’t had a headache for years!

      TR

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    • #20358
      Leaving Soon
      Participant

      Here’s a little video showing that they lie and just give people what they want to give them.

       

       

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      • #20365
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Good grief.  I hear some say they will not get the COVID vaccine unless they personally see Bill Gates and our politicians in Washington standing in line and getting the shot as well.  Knowing the sneakiness … I can just see them being injected with a harmless water solution while giving the rest of us the harmful junk. :-(

        In grade school they gave out the live German Measles shot (Rubella) and claimed this was good for life … you will be safe from ever getting the German Measles.  Well, when I was in college there was an outbreak of the German Measles in  South Carolina and they required everybody on campus to get the vaccine … they claim the old shots were not good enough.  After getting the vaccine, I was sick as a dog in the campus hospital afterwards. :-(

         

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        • #20370
          Leaving Soon
          Participant

          They all probably got the vaccine before the virus was let loose and after they had some kind of ritual thanking Satan for it.

          And lol about being injected with water. that’s exactly what I thought when I first saw this video.

          And speaking of Anderson cooper I remember when I was in high school back in 1994 I want to say he actually came to my high school and did some story with one of my classmates when AC (Anderson Cooper that is lol) was working for some outfit called “Channel One”

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    • #20378
      Kent
      Participant

      Hello all!  According to an NBC report, the vaccine contains a genetically altered common cold virus that can infect our cells and cause them to produce the protein that is in the spikes on the Corona virus. This protein made by OUR cells will then illicit an immune response by our bodies.  Based on my experience teaching science and work in labs I say NO WAY. They aren’t just using a killed or weakened virus to illicit an immune response. They are messing with our DNA. If this has been mentioned before, sorry. But it’s worth repeating IMHO.

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      • #20391
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Hi Kent, :bye:

        I agree the vaccine coming will weaken our cells … just like all the chemical junk the food manufacturers have been putting into our foods – frozen dinners to fast food, candy (anything on the labels with long hard to pronounce names … its a given … they are harmful and can do radical damage to our cells to weaken, divide them and eventually develop cancer.   My brother has been teaching me in order to get our bodies healthy … we need to be on a plant base diet, do more veggie meals and only have meat dishes once or twice a week.  Make our own meals than buying ready prepared frozen stuff and take herbs that God created for us.  Once we build up our immune system … the vaccine will not damage our cells. :good:

        Google “Powerful Cell Division Support” … The main ingredients are mushrooms … eek … I can’t eat mushrooms but I think I can take it in a pill format or a Protein powder and add to a smoothie drink to keep my cells intact.

        I’m currently on the following pills to treat Lyme disease and finally feel well again since the Pharmaceutical  meds I was given weren’t working.   But most of these pills/herbs everyone should be on regardless if they have lyme or not.

        Resvinatrol Complete pills
        Cumin seeds
        Thyme Leaves
        Turmeric pills
        Milk Thistle
        Oregano oil pills
        Dandelion Root pills and/or Tea (shrinks cancer tumors and removes cancer from the bodies)

        Today I shall be receiving a shipment of:

        cloves supplement pills

        mimosa pudica pills (any lyme bacteria or any other bacteria hiding in the liver … these pills will extract and remove from your body and cleanse out the intestines).

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    • #20379
      Geri7
      Blocked

      Man, never knew he is such a whiny wimp and that blond … is that Debbie Harry?! :mdrmdr:

      I’m cracking up to how the “nurse” jabbed him hard with that needle :wacko:  and the way she down played he won’t get sick … well, I reckon with just plan water, he won’t. B-)

      AC only got the CNN position not because he qualified but because his momma was Gloria Vanderbilt.  The elite always place their own in powerful positions.

       

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    • #20396
      Arthur
      Participant

      Anderson pooper scooper (He shovels it out with the worst of them) also had his brother die a mysterious death.  Some say this was a ritualistic sacrifice.

      The man just emenates evil.  Msy he repent before it is too late.

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      • #20409
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Yep, I question her oldest son’s Carter’s death as well.  Check out the creepy satanic mural above the bed as she is reading to her 2 young sons.

        Close up … looks like a child is being sacrificed in the flames and a man’s head without a body is hanging to the left. :wacko:

         

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    • #20417
      tenderreed
      Participant

      All I can say is let the Holy Spirit be your guide!

      Will I risk altering my dna?  Or even worse, introducing something so foreign or toxic that my body would react so violently that I would find myself praying for death?!

      Or like three Hebrew children before me, refuse to dishonor or break God’s heart or wishes!

      But if I value spiritual and heavenly life before my physical being, so be it.  We won’t be called to be martyr ‘s en masse!  That’s for the tribulation saints.

      TR

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    • #20428
      Watchman35
      Participant

      I vote we should all take the vacation…to visit JD in Hawaii!  Oh wait, we decided it was vaccination, not vacation.  Never mind. Lol.  ?

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    • #20452
      chondra
      Participant

      Here is some freaky stuff about the vaccine:

      ID2020 (covid passport), will have everyone “vaxd up” before you can enter buildings, travel, etc.

      Bill Gates Patient on vaccine and what all it entails: Patent number WO/2020/060606 (666) was registered on 26 March 2020.

      Congress’ Contact Tracing bill is numbered HB6666.

      Do you have the contact tracing app on your phone (put on there automatically w/o your permission)?

      Android: Go to SETTINGS, then to GOOGLE SETTINGS, you will see COVID-19 tracker.

      iPhone: Go to SETTINGS, PRIVACY then HEALTH and you will see COVID-19 tracker.

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    • #20457
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      Do you have the contact tracing app on your phone (put on there automatically w/o your permission)?

      Oh, yes! Mine has been there for about a month now. I never gave permission and I do not have my phone set for automatic updates either.

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    • #21070
      Leaving Soon
      Participant

      More gloom and doom about the vaccine of the beast from Celeste Solum.

      https://shepherdsheart.life/blogs/news/hydrogel-quantum-dot-can-erase-your-memory-of-god-and-his-creation

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    • #21216
      Goldenknight
      Participant

      Was watching someone on YouTube, Jonathan Kleck, I know, some of the things he says make me go what? :unsure: But he did a word study that the mark can be a blade-like device which would be the tip of the ApiJet with the RFID chip a part of that device, essentially he was inferring it is the Mark of the Beast and I could see how came to that. I know, I don’t know what to believe. And really should anyone take this if we can’t sue the companies that make these vaccines. It took 5 years for the Ebola vaccine, so let’s just say, “If you want to take it, be my guest, I’ll wait to see in 5 years what harm this causes.” Seems to me, the Lord would not allow his bride to get beat up, raped and say “Hey Honey, you wanna marry me?” I just can’t picture God letting us have to make that decision, I think we would be out of here, and if they plan this for December 2020, then how much closer are we to the catching away?

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    • #21221
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Many indications is for a Sept Rapture!  Maybe in Aug!

      TR

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      • #21222
        Goldenknight
        Participant

        Yes, asteroids coming in September by some reports and Dana Coverstone dream that by November, Washington DC would be burning, no sign of Trump or anyone in leadership. Sounds like there was no election and like something happens to our country. I don’t know if he is hearing from God, but we don’t have long to find out – less than 90 days! I’m curious about your August possibility, I don’t think I’ve heard of it being that early, maybe possibility 8/4 or 8/5 – but August works for me, maybe it can happens before 8/24! :yes:

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    • #21230
      Leaving Soon
      Participant

      This video below is from yesterday. If you listen from 1:00 – 2:00 Trump is talking about how the military is ready to deploy the vaccine as soon as it is fully approved which he says will be this year. So within 5 months if that is the case

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      • #21246
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Aaaand the rapture window narrows once more :yahoo:   Wondering if we leave at the strike of the midnight hour or at the dawning of the new day?   :popcorn :popcorn :popcorn

        :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup:

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    • #21255
      Kent
      Participant

      Trying out an experimental vaccine in this manner seems risky not only for our troops, but also for the security of the United States.  Having studied and taught genetics, I find this alarming.

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    • #21466
      Geri7
      Blocked

      Interesting day … had to drive a distance for my dental cleaning and Hurricane Isaias turned inland and passing thru so it was crazy driving down and returning in the down pour.  We need the rain though.  Made it safely back … I saw one car in an accident … off the road in the ditch and the police and emergency workers were on the scene … so thankful I wasn’t involved in that.

      I stood in a long line at the hospital entrance like a lamb to the slaughter so they could check our temperature and wrote our names on a log and who we were seeing. The waiting room at the dentist office has the chairs mostly facing the wall … only 4 out of 12 chairs are for sitting down.  It was eerie seeing no patients in the waiting room.  They must get many cancellations now perhaps from failing the temperature tests? :unsure:   They are making us sign a form if our appointment gets cancelled … they will still be charging us for a no show, even if we reschedule it.  Found out they were shut down for a few months so this is their sneaky way to recoup “money”.  If we are still here in 2021 … I think I’m going to have to try to find a new dentist.  The workers there are just cold and treating us like we are just a number.   I thought if the rapture happens before my next cleaning appointment … they will now charge me for the no show. :mdrmdr:    The hygienist was over the top with her ridiculous outfit on.  All the other workers just had a mask … but not her … she had a gas mask, and plastic face shield with glasses that had an attached magnifying light.  She also wore a light blue surgeon’s gown, with light blue gloves … no skin was showing. :scratch:   She had some type of mouth wash solution and gave me 2 plastic disposable cups … I needed to swish half the solution in my mouth and then spit it out into the other cup and do it again with the remaining junk.  I was treated like I had leprosy.  The way I look at it … if she is this scared she should find another occupation.  What are they going to do once the tribulation plagues start happening?!   After she worked on my teeth she said we are not making 6 month dental appointments because … they expect a 2nd wave of the virus to reappear … so they want us to call them in 5 months or so to set up the appointment over the phone, that is … if they are still open.  I have to go back there again in 2 weeks … got a chip on my back molar and want it repaired.  If we are still here in 2021 … I’m going to have to find a new dentist.

      Then I went to super Walmart.  Many empty aisles … just walked around … even the toy dept is almost completely empty.  Just very weird.  Perhaps people are doing early Christmas shopping?  :unsure:  Only 5 bikes left … all the guns and ammo are still empty in the hunting dept.  Still plenty of fishing rods and tackle though.  Drove over to Dollar General … all the shelves are empty of toilet paper, paper towels, etc.  but they have plenty of halloween candy stacked up in various aisles for the 2nd wave of the plandemic … but if you need a dentist to repair your teeth … forget it. :-(

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    • #21482
      tenderreed
      Participant

      It’s all about priorities when things get lean!

      TR

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      • #21495
        Geri7
        Blocked

        LOL … ah yes … plenty of Vitamin S :good:   Chocolate actually is a comfort food. :yes:

         

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    • #21484
      MyWhiteStone
      Participant

      After all that candy, dentism practitioners should be busier. :unsure: :scratch: :-(

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    • #21509
      Tammie
      Participant

      I just went through 8 hrs of a power outage, rain, winds, etc produced by hurricane Isaias.
      Now understand, I have lived in this particular location and house for 7 years and never had any power glitches (1 blink about 3 yrs ago). Interesting, having lived in HI, South FL, and now east coast of VA (35 yrs), I have been through much stronger hurricanes than Isaias with much stronger winds and never lost power…. and although we where in the eye of Isaias from about 8 am to noon, we had no power either, several tornadoes but only two touched down, a few folks killed and others missing, but this was a very weak storm. Such a weird day. Glad you are ok Geri, my son is up near Alexandria and got lots of rain only. My theory for the power outage for such a weird long time is — wait for it, this is just the beginning of who controls the grid.. I say this as I know a fact this control is done in Ukraine, Belarus for winter heat … we have several pastor friends in these two countries and this is not uncommon occurrence during winter storms, been happening for decades there!
      :prayer-hands:

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      • #21527
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Wow Tammie, I’m so glad you’re safe!  That stinks though about the power being out that long.  I hope you didn’t loose your perishable foods.

        When you say “who controls the power grid” do you mean HAARP?  Do you feel they have the power to generate these hurricanes, tornadoes, etc. ?

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    • #21543
      Tammie
      Participant

      Thx Geri! No not control of weather events! I was referencing electricity, gas, and water for human use. Governments around the world have controlled theses for decades … we may be seeing the beginning of that for the US. There is a saying for W.O. individuals “never let a catastrophic event go to waste” —- they use lots of things.
      Thankfully, our God reigns and remains in control, in spite of the “craziness” of thee day… sorry for the confusion. Had to laugh when I read your response —— AARP —- get so many things from them now days, pushing insurance, life and health :mdrmdr:

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    • #21571
      tenderreed
      Participant

      We’ve been in the middle of a heat wave for over a week.  Topping 100 degree plus weather.  Rare for these parts.

      TR

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    • #21573
      tenderreed
      Participant

      In so far as any vaccination goes, we will probably be gone by then.

      If not, the Lord will sustain us and give us strength!

      TR

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      • #21603
        Geri7
        Blocked

        I’m actually more suspicious about the flu vaccine than the COVID one only because they are now pushing EVERYONE to get the flu shot this fall. Why?  No one is keeping tract what is being put into it because all eyes are focus on COVID …. for all we know the flu shot could be the Trojan Horse that becomes more harmful than the COVID vaccine … just tossing my 3 cents on the betting table. B-)

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        • #21655
          Leaving Soon
          Participant

          You have to admit that the evil powers that be have evil genius IQ’s of like 300 and twisted sense of humors that make you laugh at stuff that isn’t funny.

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          • #21702
            Arthur
            Participant

            They aren’t actually that bright.  Just ruthless and determined. Plus , they have the help of some wicked spirits of darkness.

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    • #21615
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Indeed!  They started their totalitarian ways with the standard flu vaccine, but no one took that serious.

      So they upped the ante!  Albeit planned, the hype did the rest!

      TR

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    • #21634
      Tammie
      Participant

      True, we no longer can believe or trust what is being pushed. There is so much miss- information and overload of information that it’s really hard to follow and keep up. Good thing we have a Heavenly Father who watches out for us and is keeping it all in line for our home going.. :prayer-hands:

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    • #21766
      Arthur
      Participant

      Our Crime Minister of Canada has ordered 37 million syringes from China. Enough for every person in Canada including babies.

      He is also paying a Chinese company to make a Coronovirus vaxxxine. :negative:

      Looks like the Province of Nova Scotia will be the first guinea pigs. :(

      https://www.rebelnews.com/mandatory_covid-19_vaccines_coming_canada_trudeau_37_million_doses_china

      Jesus, please come quickly! :prayer-hands:

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      • #22081
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Sorry to hear your crime minister is vexing and harming all Canadians.  You must miss the days when Stephen Harper was in office.  He seemed to be for conservative causes, loved his country and supported Israel.  Scary how it only takes 1 evil man in office to turn a great country and make it nose dive in the opposite direction.

        Hopefully we are leaving this world soon for sweet Beulah Land!

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    • #22191
      regina
      Participant

      praying that the Lord will bring us home before Canadians are forced to take a vaccine they don’t want, or that it will not become mandatory.

      until now, vaccines are not mandatory

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    • #36385
      Geri7
      Blocked

      Just bumping up this thread …

      “Should we take a vacation … vaccination?“

       

      UPDATE – oh sooooooo shocking

      AstraZeneca puts coronavirus vaccine trials on pause after patient had a serious side effect   

      Oxford vaccine trial on hold because of safety issue

      Fauci says a coronavirus vaccine is ‘unlikely’ by U.S. election

      —————-

      Good grief … they are not satisfied with temperature readings, nose swabs … they now want our poop!   Note:  I’m still a firm believer of the unpopular view that when the rapture happens our blood will be left behind with our clothes … and I’m now including perhaps our poop will be included since … they want it so badly.   B-)

       

      Why poop tests may be a better way to detect COVID-19
      Researchers at the Chinese University of Hong Kong said stool samples could be used to detect the virus

      By Jackie Salo | New York Post

      COVID-19 may persist in the gut even after the virus has been cleared from the airways — suggesting that fecal matter could be a better way to detect the virus than traditional nose swabs, according to a new study.

      The study, which was published in the medical journal GUT, said the virus may continue to infect the digestive tract even if a patient isn’t suffering from any gastrointestinal symptoms.

      Researchers at the Chinese University of Hong Kong said stool samples could be used to detect the virus.

      They looked at the stool samples of 15 COVID-19 patients and found active gut viral infections in seven — even without any gastrointestinal symptoms.

      Three of them continued to suffer from active gut viral infections for as long as six days after their respiratory samples tested negative for the virus, researchers said.

      Researchers said the findings suggest that stool samples may be a better way to detect the virus.

      Paul Chan, chairman of the university’s Department of Microbiology, noted that children are particularly good candidates for stool samples since their viral load was “many times higher” than that of adults.

      Stool specimens are more convenient, safe and non-invasive to collect in the pediatric population and can give accurate results,” Chan said in a statement.

      – Fair Use –

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    • #36387
      Arthur
      Participant

      Of course they want our poop because these people are literally full of it.  :mdrmdr:

      They are literally making it up as they go along. It really is the Emperor’s New Clothes Virus.  :negative:

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      • #36388
        Geri7
        Blocked

        “Emperor’s New Clothes Virus”   :mdrmdr:

        My cyber friend’s response to the new poop rules  “Wondering about their reaction to my digested triple bean burrito?“ :wacko:

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    • #36392
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      1 Corinthians 15:52  in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.

      Three reasons why I do not believe any blood will be left behind is because Scripture says our bodies will be changed, also translated transformed. To transform something is to change the nature, condition or function of it. In that transformation, everything will be purified, changed. Not shed. If our blood is shed then it stands to reason every bit of our sin-infected body would need to be shed also. But it’s not. It’s transformed.

      The second reason is because Christ already shed His blood for us. He shed His blood once and for all. There is no longer any need for the shedding of blood which was done for the remission of sins. We will not need to shed our blood for Him.

      Thirdly, Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him. There is no mention of any blood or anything else left behind. Enoch was a model of the rapture of the Church.

      It makes for a terribly graphic horror scene, but I can find no Biblical basis for such a grueling event.

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    • #36393
      Tammie
      Participant

      Yohanan I will agree, the life is in the blood per God and Christ shed his righteousness for our unrighteousness, once for all … the belief of leaving the blood behind does not hold to any Biblical accuracy. We are, as you mentioned, transformed with the renewing of our minds …. we shall see him unveiled, face to face, (remember Moses wore a veil, except when he was in the presence of God, because Gods glory was reflected in His face, so to, we will become “reflective” of the image of Christ in our immortal bodies … what that looks like is Christ post resurrection…. nothing is mentioned in scripture whether Christ again had blood or not, but irregardless it also does not hold that we will “shed” our blood, as ours is not required, the lamb’s work completed the requirements per the law. Can I just say “eu” to the puddles or “poodles” of blood lying around, sorry, Geri but that’s just gross :calvin very alien, sci-fi stuff, no Biblical record of such happenings. :unsure:

      I also agree, they are trying to increase the fear with the poop concept. Did you know that your gut contains all kinds of stuff (like Geri’s fur baby) from years gone by, remember your intestines are three times your height, so can retain things from years prior —- you also have the natural occurring flora that folks don’t like to remember— non colonized eColi is a must for any healthy gut, good yeast as well … sometimes when you are feeling a bit “gassy” the good yeast is too acidotic so you bloat …. Ok nuff of the scoop on poop, but the Chinese (why are we even considering their theories anyway, didn’t they start this whole mess – no pun intended) are certainly full of “crapola” (French word like granola) :mdrmdr: :mdrmdr: :mdrmdr:

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    • #36407
      Geri7
      Blocked

      Ok good point about Enoch “not being found”.

      I got a question … if a Christian dies and was an organ donor … at the time of the rapture will the Lord take away the recipients who received his/her eyes, heart, liver, etc and restores them and places them back in that believers glorified body? :unsure:   We know the graves will be open so the Lord is going to be using the same bones. So it sounds like everyone will be the same height as they were on earth … if you are tall here you will be tall in heaven, short people will remain short …?

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    • #36420
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      the Chinese (why are we even considering their theories anyway

      Exactly!

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    • #36423
      Tammie
      Participant

      Geri, our God is beyond our ability to understand His magnificence and glory, and power … think about all the martyrs throughout time, burned at the stake to ashes, bodies tortured for their faith in too gruesome to detail, those thrown to wild beasts, or into the sea …Our God will, in His power, bring even them to the clouds at his cry of command and the voice of the archangel… what a small matter to raise us! The donation of organs is a beautiful sacrifice of families to give life to one suffering, our God is able.
      I learned many years ago, never question His ability, never limit Him to a box or His power confined to my finite brain’s limited understanding. We will be in the presence of a totally, beyond understanding, steadfast loving and eternal God! His peace alone is beyond our understanding and He states that, His steadfast love endures forever and faithfulness to all generations. A new verse I’ve been working on is a bit unusual but powerful in thought and truth… 1 Chronicles 29:11 “Yours, O Lord, is the greatness and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty, for all that is in the heavens and in the earth is yours. Yours is the kingdom, O Lord, and you are exalted as head above all” —- amazing! I can’t wait to be in His presence, soon :prayer-hands: :prayer-hands:

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    • #36428
      tenderreed
      Participant

      We understand that life is in the blood, fleshly speaking.  Our life will then be in Christ!

      What purpose would blood serve in a glorified and spiritually constructed body?!

      Do Angel’s and demons have blood?!  Why would we?

      TR

       

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      • #36431
        Geri7
        Blocked

        AHA  great point! :good:    Why would we need blood in our glorified bodies?  So its back to bloody clothes getting left behind … perhaps with the poop too. ;-)

        If you look at this verse about the tribulation saints .. they will be martyred and their bloody robes are made white with Jesus’ blood.  But with the church that isn’t martyred but taken … we leave our bloody clothes behind and receive a white robe. :yes:

        Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

        Now back with Enoch when he was taken.  Even though it doesn’t go into detail of his clothes … for all we know he could have shed his bloody clothes … perhaps the book of Enoch will give more clues? :unsure:

        Oh I can already hear the :groan

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    • #36432
      Arthur
      Participant

      This may be helpful in regards to this bloody issue. (No pun intended. :P)

      It deals with an erroneous JW teaching and I believe it gets to the root of the problem.

      http://www.letusreason.org/jw12.htm

      Here is a snippet:

      Flesh and Blood cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven

      Many cult groups and cultic interpretations of the Scriptures deny a physical resurrection of Christ as well as a physical ascension.  In doing this, they also deny that we too will have a physical resurrection.

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      What do we make of the statement in 1 Cor. 15:50-56 that “flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven?  Does this mean that we will be spirits? That only certain people will go to heaven?  The expression “flesh and blood” occurs only five times in the New Testament.  We need to define our definition of its meaning from the overall teachings. If we examine the following references we see the writers are often speaking of ‘flesh and blood” as being synonymous with “fallen man”, just as it is of the physical body. If you substitute the words “fallen man” (unregenerate) in the place of “flesh and blood” we can understand better what Paul is conveying.

       

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      • #36437
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Oh ok Arthur this makes sense now with the definition of “flesh and blood” is in reference to (unregenerate) “fallen man” and ties in with this passage …

        I Corinthians 6:9-11

        Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [a]homosexuals, nor [b]sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were [c]sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.

         

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    • #36444
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      for all we know he could have shed his bloody clothes

      The shedding of blood was for the remission of sins. All the animal sacrifices in the Old Testament were for the remission of sins.  Jesus shed His blood once and for all. Since His death on the cross when has any Christian been required to shed their blood for their sins?

      Just remember what Scripture says. In that moment we are changed.

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      • #36448
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Well … I didn’t mean “shed” as you’re implying that he was working to get to heaven.  I really meant his (bloody) clothes simply dropped off and fell to the ground. :stinkerbell:    He didn’t need them any longer and was given a white robe. :yes:

        Sorry … but I do like Merry-Go-Rounds … what about this incident with Elijah‘ s departure  in II Kings 2:12 – 14

        And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces.

        He took up also the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan;

        And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the Lord God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over.

         

        Sooooo we see Elisha put Elijah’s mantle in the Jordan waters. Hmmm …  could it be to clean all the blood off? :unsure:   What does smote the waters mean? :unsure:     I see you’re  :groan   again … B-)

         

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    • #36452
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      Well … I didn’t mean “shed” as you’re implying that he was working to get to heaven.

      Understood but there is no scriptural reason to believe our blood will be left all over the ground when we are raptured. Clothing? perhaps. But blood? I just don’t see anything in the Bible that suggests leaving it all over the ground. Given that it is in our bodies and that they (our bodies) will be changed into incorruptible ones suggests that our blood and all other bodily fluids will be changed into incorruptible as well. If neither “flesh nor blood” can enter the Kingdom of Heaven then it wouldn’t be just the blood left behind, it would be our flesh too. But that is not what the Bible says. it says we will be changed into incorruptible.

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    • #36455
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Indeed!  But for those judged by God their blood will reach as high as a horse’s bridle!

      What happens to our blood is really inconsequential!  Point is we won’t be here!  And we are changed!

      That’s good enough for me!

      TR

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    • #36460
      Geri7
      Blocked

      Ok, I have just one more question and I promise I will get off this Merry-Go-Round … B-)

      We see here in John 19:32-37  Jesus was pierced and all His blood and water came out.  Does this mean in His resurrected body He still has the blood and water or are the glorified bodies empty of both liquids?  Or is this still a mystery and nobody knows?   :unsure:

      Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him.

      But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:

      But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.

      And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.

      For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.

      And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.

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      I John 3:2

      Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

       

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      • #36466
        Leaving Soon
        Participant

        Geri7, Some people use 1 John 3:2 to imply that at the Rapture we will all literally including women look just like The Lord Jesus Christ implying that women will get a sex change at the Rapture and we will all look like a 33 1/2 y/o Jewish male named Jesus Christ for all of eternity. Should we jump on that merry-go-round for a while lol

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      • #38751
        Amy
        Participant

        Leviticus 17:14 KJVS
        For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.

        When we are raptured the blood will be removed. John, in Revelation said he saw the Lamb as He was slain. During the transfiguration in Matthew 17:3-4, Peter, James and John recognized Moses and Elijah. So I think we will retain physical attributes to identify family, friends and others. In all honesty we won’t know until it happens. I pray it happens soon!!! :prayer-hands:

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    • #36463
      Tammie
      Participant

      Geri I concur with Arthur and Johanna, much of this “debate” boarders on several cult teachings that promote continued shedding (blood left, used, drank) of blood. It is flawed and used to discredit the sacrifice of the lamb of God, one time for all. As I mentioned, our God is truly beyond understanding on exactly how He will accomplish this — that can be seen as our Faith in how he works, not that He will work, because we all understand He will. You don’t know that Christ didn’t have blood after resurrection, no Biblical description, he did eat, he did appear from place to place, he did have a touchable, physical form, he did ascend. Don’t get caught on a merry-go-round that was started from cult thinking- jump off and watch the Lord work, it’s so much more exciting! :prayer-hands:

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    • #36464
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Apparently He was bled of both blood and bodily fluids!

      Suggesting we will have neither as well!

      TR

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    • #36465
      tenderreed
      Participant

      For we also shall be a composite of flesh and spirit!

      TR

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    • #36477
      Tammie
      Participant

      Many times in my world we note that when the heart bursts from a cardiac arrest you will see water mixed with blood, a large volume bleed from a pericardial effusion will also see this. I have attached a scientific study done on the bodies reaction to a crucifixion and although difficult and heart breaking to read, it shows the extent of Gods love for His creation.
      Now also understand, as believers we understand that Jesus gave up His life, His death was by design and direction from God almighty, each step of the crucifixion had a physical purpose and God allowed it for us.

      This is why, I say, by Gods awesome indescribable power, Jesus Christ was also made whole again through His resurrected body, just as Lazarus, the little girl, the young man on the death brier – but He is still fully man and fully God for all eternity! What does that look like —- we shall soon see, get ready for an awesomely spectacular eternity :yahoo: :prayer-hands: “step’ on clouds … we’ll Jesus Christ, Jett Him in the air …. :prayer-hands:

      https://www.apu.edu/articles/the-science-of-the-crucifixion/

      for educational and fair use only

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    • #36478
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Indeed Sis!

      Again, though many men and woman died horrible deaths, Christ carried the atonement of the whole world on His shoulders!

      Let alone the Son being forsaken by the Father!  Which might have been His greatest agony!

      TR

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    • #36480
      tenderreed
      Participant

      This thread is also getting quite long!

      Better long than sparse or naked!

      TR

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    • #36481
      Tammie
      Participant

      Can not even fathom either the depths of Gods love or the pain of that separation from a loving Father … It brings a small new understanding to the verse ….

      2 Corinthians 4:17-18 “For this light momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison, as we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen. For the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal.” :prayer-hands: I pray we are worthy for His sacrifice! How He loves us! :heart: :prayer-hands:

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    • #36483
      tenderreed
      Participant

      None of us being worthy ever, speaks mightily of God’s grace!

      That and His love is what we’re not worthy of!  IMHO!

      TR

       

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    • #36486
      Bsfc321
      Participant

      I have researched quite a bit on the vaccination, and I myself would never take it. Someone may have said this or posted it, but it is an RNA vaccine, which will likely literally change our DNA. It isn’t the mark of the beast, but to me at least, it is the obvious forerunner. Once the rapture freaks the world out, I assume it will quickly become the mark.

      I really believe this will be like the flu vaccine after November. They will beg everyone to get it and plead and make you feel guilty if you don’t. But as the numbers and amount of faulty tests for Covid point to it being not a pandemic at all, but rather simply a tool they have used to further the NWO agenda….100 million Americans will not take this thing. They can’t force it apart from bringing in Communism, and that would present far worse problems anyway.

      The timing of it all is pretty incredible. They are rolling out all of this right at the end of the generation that sees Israel back in the land, with all the tech and as the world it basically turning into a Netflix driven globalist pedo hellhole….and the love going cold… it feels like everyone is totally in love with themselves and morals have gone from low to non existent.

      After we are gone…impossible to imagine how bad it will really get with mankind, before the scrolls and vials. Unreal.

       

       

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    • #36488
      tenderreed
      Participant

      For us glory in the clouds, then Heaven!

      For everyone else it’s all downhill, then Hell!

      A beginning that is just the beginning! And an end, that never ends!

      TR

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    • #38719
      Geri7
      Blocked

      Bumping this thread again …

      ooh-ooh Monty we REALLY do need to take thee “out of this world” vacation behind door #1!   :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup: :flyup:

      Oh Monty, we want to see what’s in the box, we declined  :negative:

      The booby prize is …

      Trump’s Operation Warp Speed adviser says all Americans could be immunized with COVID vaccine by June

      ABC News
      BySony Salzman andVictor Ordonez
      October 21, 2020, 9:00 PM

      Most Americans may have access to a COVID-19 vaccine by early this spring, one which could potentially immunize them by June, according to Operation Warp Speed’s chief adviser, Dr. Moncef Slaoui.

      It’s not a certainty, but the plan — and I feel pretty confident — should make it such that by June, everybody could have been immunized in the U.S.,” Slaoui told ABC News’ Bob Woodruff Wednesday morning.

      – Fair Use –

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    • #38730
      Tammie
      Participant

      Bad scene for this hyper space availability—- we need to jet out of here :prayer-hands:

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    • #38743
      Amy
      Participant
    • #38748
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Again, seems to me.  When threads get this long they need to be forgotten and new ones started!

      It’s not like we’ve run out of paper to use, but rather an inexhaustible supply at our finger tips!

      TR

       

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      • #38760
        Geri7
        Blocked

        :mdrmdr:   But the title … its an  unforgettable … incredible … brilliantly written question that still tricks the mind to read it differently no matter how many comments have been made.  How could we not still revive it from time to time. :stinkerbell:

         

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    • #38761
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Sequels with the same title works.  We’ve pretty much decided that taking the vaccine is not a good thing anyway!

      After a hundred responses not only is scrolling an issue but refreshing of the thread is also tedious!

      Many seem to also enjoy writing of mini novels when posting!

      TR

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      • #38762
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Alrighty we will do a sequel … anyone game with starting a new thread? :whistle:   We sincerely promise to keep the traffic moving … so there is no grid lock pile up notifications sitting in your inbox  ((maniacal laughing))

        “Should we take the vaccination? – Part 2”

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    • #38764
      Tammie
      Participant

      Naw, I’m in agreement with TR, no sequel required – we already know it’s coming, we already understand most about the lies being fostered, we already know we don’t want it, and we already agree that we need to be gone from this planet. :calvin :prayer-hands:
      I vote no sequel :thankyou

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    • #38772
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Not needed!

      TR

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    • #38801
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      This thread has been active but not enough to require a sequel. I don’t see the need for it either.

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    • #38823
      Todd Tomlinson
      Participant

      No sequel — we’re outta here in a week ;-).  Well I hope we’re outta here.

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    • #38830
      Geri7
      Blocked

      I just got this email advertisement the iPhone 12 are here … they are making 5G sound so harmless. :wacko:   Yep we got to be getting out of here soon!

      Another sign the end is near … this guy can’t give up his treasured corvette for a useful pick up truck to haul his bug out getaway supplies in … sooo  he compromised. B-)   Hands down … this has got to be the fastest conversion “truck” on the road.

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    • #38848
      Arthur
      Participant

      Lol. It looks an El Camino! It’s a truck and a car together. :P

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    • #38878
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Nah, it’s a really stylish camper!

      TR

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    • #38881
      MyWhiteStone
      Participant

      Looks more like a cramper.

      Maybe it’s an El Corvino.

      By the way, I sense a de-railed thread.  Maybe Geri’s El Corvino, though, is closer than we think to the topic: “Should we take the vacation?”

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    • #38884
      Tammie
      Participant

      I’m probably going to get blasted or offend several family members here but the word classic does not come to mind …. instead the word junk does, just saying …. take a little from here, a little from there, very similar to the Frankenstein movie ….

      Now this past week my hubby and I were out driving and watched a Hutson go by, that’s a classic, that was a beauty, original as well, per my husband, just saying, I can admire a great looking car, even a form of hybrid, but this …. hmmmm :wacko:

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    • #38902
      MyWhiteStone
      Participant

      It’s just in need of a paint job, at least from this angle, Tammie.  If it were painted black, maybe Herman Munster would like it.

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    • #38903
      Tammie
      Participant

      MWS — You could send it to Chip Foose for a paint job and that would be yeah, that’s a NO not even for Hermie —- maybe “the hand” (no eyes) :mdrmdr: :mdrmdr:

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    • #38905
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Let’s continue this on a new thread, please!  I’m ignoring this one from now on!

      TR

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