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    • #12914
      Geri7
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      Speeded Up :: By Daymond Duck
      March 29, 2020

      One, because of the Coronavirus, the church I attend cancelled its regular worship services and started meeting in homes with no more than 10 people per home.

      Some say this has never happened before, but is that right (maybe yes, maybe no)?

      After Israel spent more than 400 years in Egypt (many as slaves), God raised up Moses to tell Pharaoh to “Let my people go,” but Pharaoh refused.

      God sent 10 plagues, and the last plague is often called the “death angel.”

      God told the Jews to sprinkle the blood of an unblemished lamb on the upper and side door posts of their houses, go inside, stay until the death angel passed, and be prepared to leave on a moment’s notice.

      God said the firstborn children of those that obeyed God would be spared, but the firstborn children of those that did not obey God would die.

      Many Jews spent the first Passover in their homes out of obedience to God because He said the death angel would pass over their house, if He saw the blood.

      Following that incredible event, the Jews left their houses and embarked on a trip to the Promised Land.

      Most lapsed into unbelief, and only two made it.

      Church members that are worshipping in homes today need to be ready to go to the Promised Land on a moment’s notice.

      I pray that I am wrong, but I am concerned that some will go back to Church for one or two Sundays when the Coronavirus is over (like what happened after 9/11), quickly become lukewarm and not be ready when the trumpet sounds.

      Two, a reader in Australia reminded me that the beasts of the earth will kill multitudes during the Tribulation Period (Rev. 6:8).

      He wondered if this could refer to something like the Chinese people eating animals (cats, dogs, bats, etc.; possible sources of the Coronavirus) purchased at the so-called Wet Markets.

      We only know that beasts will cause the death of people in the Tribulation Period.

      Three, another reader from Australia wrote that some of the parking meters in Melbourne and Sydney will no longer accept coins, notes or credit cards.

      People that park there are instructed to download an app, transfer funds to an account and pay with their cell phone (the parking meters are cashless).

      Four, Shiite Muslims want the Tribulation Period to happen because they believe it will speed up the appearance of the Muslim Mahdi and hasten the establishment of a one-world Islamic government and Islamic religion.

      On Mar. 17, 2020, it was reported that a high-ranking Iranian official said the Coronavirus crisis is a prelude to the emergence of the Mahdi, and he urged the Iranian people to actively spread the Coronavirus because it will accelerate the Mahdi’s appearance (for God’s view on this, read Amos 5:18-20).

      Five, several people have told me they are concerned that a vaccine for the Coronavirus will be developed and people will be required to be vaccinated before they can return to their usual lifestyle. (I am not advising anyone what to do, but if a vaccine is developed with a tracking device in it, at this point I am not inclined to let anyone vaccinate me.

      On Mar. 19, 2020, it was reported that Big Pharma and Microsoft are working together on a way to put implantable chips in vaccinations.

      On Mar. 16, 2020, it was reported that Denmark has passed a law that gives the government power for one year to fine and/or jail citizens and deny them the right to “enter shops, grocery stores, public institutions and hospitals while also being restricted from using public transport.”

      Six, I want to share something (not recommend) for those that might want to know.

      A reader sent two links to me that purportedly show a way to heal the Coronavirus with heat, but both videos have been removed from the Internet over concern that people will harm themselves.

      Know that Dr. Fauci, advisor to Pres. Trump, has suggested that the Coronavirus does better in colder weather than it does in hot, humid weather (and Pres. Trump has said it too).

      Coronavirus could become seasonal: top US scientist

      https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-could-become-seasonal-top-us-scientist-001146451.html

      Know also that Dr. John Nicholls, one of the world’s foremost experts on viruses, believes sunlight, temperature and humidity are key factors in the demise of the virus.

      Coronavirus expert says he knows when the virus ‘will burn itself out,’ according to leaked analysis

      https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/coronavirus-expert-says-the-virus-will-burn-itself-out-in-about-6-months/679415?fbclid=IwAR10eVYHlvqj5KXA7U35IpLfIRhYIxKVdTcLvRYRPoFlJao1jYN37xgmU4o

       

      As I remember, one of the videos suggested sitting in a sauna for about an hour, waiting 3 hours and repeating it.

      Those that don’t have access to a sauna can use a hair dryer (low heat, at least 18 inches from the face; 5 minutes at a time) and a sprinkle of water (use a sprinkle bottle) on the face for humidity (for one hour at a time if possible and repeat).

      I want to emphasize that I am not recommending this, each person is responsible for their decision, it should be a last resort decision, and I have no proof that it will work.

      By the way, I believe the quickest and surest way to get rid of the Coronavirus in the U.S. would be to tear up Pres. Trump’s peace proposal to divide Israel, and the quickest and surest way to get rid of it in the world would be for the UN Security Council to abandon the Two-State solution (II Chron. 7:13-14 would also help).

      Seven, remember what James, the half brother of Jesus said: “Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded” (James 4:8).

      People all over the world are being told to wash their hands, but people also need to purify their hearts (repent and get saved).

      Eight, remember that borders started with God, and He may be using the Coronavirus to show world leaders that closed borders can be a good thing before world leaders throw open their borders for the satanic one-world government of the Antichrist.

      Nine, there will be hyper-inflation and a global economic collapse during the Tribulation Period (Rev. 6:5-6).

      If millions of citizens are required to stay in their houses for several months, it is difficult for me to see how that wouldn’t create hyper-inflation and a global economic collapse.

      Ten, starting about the middle of the Tribulation Period, the False Prophet will force people to worship the statue of the Antichrist and take the Mark of the Beast (Rev. 13:12-18).

      If millions of citizens go without jobs for several months, many will gladly worship the statue and take the Mark for the right to buy and sell.

      Eleven, one reader asked if God could be closing churches because they have compromised the Scriptures (ok with LGBTQ; ok with abortion; ok with gay pastors; against Israel; against preaching Bible prophecy; against preaching Old Testament; against literal Second Coming and Millennium; etc.).

      I do marvel at our amazing God’s patience with what some are preaching (lack of sound doctrine; departure from the faith; but the Gates of Hell will not prevail against the Church).

      Finally, the Tribulation Period hasn’t started, and it can’t start as long as the Church is here.

      Also, Ten Kings (Ten Horns; Ten regional globalist leaders) have to appear before the Antichrist (Eleventh Horn; Little Horn) appears, and that could start shaping up soon.

      Only God knows, but as far as I am concerned, we are getting warnings or foreshadows of things to come and the birth pains have speeded up.

      Salvation by grace through faith in Jesus should be an urgent matter for those that haven’t accepted Jesus and repentance should be an urgent matter for those that have.

      – Fair Use –

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    • #12915
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      Those that don’t have access to a sauna can use a hair dryer (low heat, at least 18 inches from the face; 5 minutes at a time) and a sprinkle of water (use a sprinkle bottle) on the face for humidity (for one hour at a time if possible and repeat).

      Or, move down south where we have all of these factors in our daily lives already! ;)

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      • #12971
        Whit
        Participant

        My grandmother always said that was why most Miss America’s come from the south.  She thought it was the humidity and heat.  LOL

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    • #12918
      Geri7
      Participant

      :mdrmdr:   Well then the task is up to you to keep us informed when you see the virus dissipating. ;-)     I would do it but I believe its out of my hands to alert everyone if this theory is true.  Current temps in my region feel like 20 degrees with the windshield and the “humid” moisture of April “showers” is  “freezing rain”. :negative:

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    • #12919
      Todd Tomlinson
      Participant

      I was just watching the noon news and they were talking about how the virus is exploding in central america where is a) hot, b)humid and they said that shows that heat and humidity doesn’t affect the outcome :-(

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      • #12920
        Geri7
        Participant

        LOL … well we can throw that theory out the window, eh?

        I do wonder though if by summer it will suddenly magically evaporate since I lean towards it was man made … and perhaps they will spray chem trails to make the germy air be all clear once more? :unsure:

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    • #12922
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      Seems every theory is countered the next day. It’s hard to know what is true and what isn’t. The media always wants to be the first to report, even if the report isn’t verified.

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      • #12925
        Geri7
        Participant

        Yep, I think some people mean well with trying to give “hope” for those to hang on with the secular motto “its gotta get better” but little do they know when the tribulation kicks in … it will be just one horror story after another to get through each passing day.  People will age overnight.

        We are getting a foretaste of what our grandparents/great great grandparents had to face during the 1929 stock market crash.  I was just reading a sad story about this one guy who just lost his job and totally lost it and tried to kill his girlfriend before turning the gun on himself.  Thankfully she survived the one gun shot wound in her backside and will make a full recovery.  I hope the church is long gone before these type of horror news reports become “the norm”.

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    • #12923
      tenderreed
      Participant

      This virus isn’t due dietary inclinations of any particular people, but rather I am given to understand that this particular strain was created in a lab in China.  If any nation wanted to cull it’s population, it would be china.  And so convenient that once again this lab created toxin grew feet and walked out of the lab!

      Secondly, as I wrote that God was not vindictive, I don’t believe it wise to ascribe to God all manner of trouble on the heals of a peace initiative that hasn’t been fully accepted or implemented.  Again, God doesn’t need to be vindictive as this is not one of His traits, or so it seems to me!

      He can easily circumvent or nullify any initiative of man by other means.  Certainly, time as well is running for the plans of men.

      Experts are scrambling to search for answers and a plan of attack.  There seems to be a lot of guess work here.  Some say that it will stabilize and then resurface in the fall.  The reason why this is so virulent is that no antibodies have had time to create a defense.  As would be the case with a new threat.

      I agree, no chips in vaccinations.  But given how the normal flu shot has been pushed down our throats, the efforts for vaccination have almost become gestapo like.  While they admittedly are only guessing at it’s formula a year in advance!

      Again fear makes for a wonderful master.

      TR

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      • #12928
        Geri7
        Participant

        I agree … I don’t believe this virus is the hand of God’s judgement.  It was man made.

        I also lean that this passage here “the beasts of the earth will kill multitudes during the Tribulation Period” (Rev. 6:8) refers to the wild animals will be attacking humans since there wont be enough food in their own habitat … the grass, vegetation, berries, get burnt up and other animals they used to feast on died off … plus the animal kingdom won’t have a fear of man like you see today.

        Interestingly in Genesis 9:1-3 it was AFTER the flood that God said from now on animals would fear man.
        And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

        And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.

        Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

         

        So it looks like the Lord will lift the fear that the animal kingdom has towards man and it will be like it was “in the days of Noah” prior to the Flood judgment.

         

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    • #12934
      tenderreed
      Participant

      With regards to animals later on, I am of the opinion and have often stated that they will turn against man altogether.  They will indeed persecute and chase after men, including beloved pets!

      My goldfish is now giving me nightmares!  Lions, tiger and bears, oh my.

      TR

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      • #12948
        Geri7
        Participant

        :mdrmdr:   Your fish was only giving you the evil eye because it overheard your wife talking about a sushi meal.   B-)

        I firmly believe our pets will be going up at the rapture because they are part of our household.   Acts 16:31 “And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”

        On Passover the Israelites applied the blood on the door posts of their homes and if they had barns on the door posts of that entry way as well.  If not, they had their beloved cattle all inside their homes so they were safe and sound. :whistle:

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    • #12972
      Whit
      Participant

      Greetings……….

      Great thread.  One thing I have been pondering is the days of Noah and Lot.

      I have seen a few people talking about how things have to be in a state of normalcy as it was in the days of Noah and Lot when Christ makes an appearance.  I am wondering about that.  Yes, Noah probably preached as he built over the 100 years of work…….and to his neighbors he was probably seen as the eccentric old preacher who had lost his marbles by building in a non flood plain desert.  But nothing happens in a vacuum (or rarely).  I highly doubt Noah had a BBQ the night before they boarded and waved goodbye.  The clouds had to have been darkening for days.  Animals not endemic to that region started showing up.  I am thinking that it was not like flipping a light switch, but there were rumblings and changes that people of faith could see and be affirmed…….but no matter how much……..the unsaved would always see it as sudden destruction.

      In Pompeii there was not even a word for volcano in their language.  But the mountain behind them had been belching for days before the first lava came out and even then it came out like a rainfall.  Then came THE day when it erupted and buried them all alive.  No amount of atmospheric changes could have made them become more aware (I say that because perhaps Sodom went through something similar). No matter what, THE day of the lava eruption would have been sudden destruction.

      So i am wondering……….we see the gathering storms.  We see what will be coming on this earth in a very short period of time.  To those not looking it is normal (or new normal).  I am just wondering if it does have to get back to what it was before……..i don’t think it ever will.  But like Noah we see the clouds, hear the thunder, and interpret its meaning………our neighbors don’t.  No matter how much evidence they see to the contrary for them it is life as normal and will be sudden destruction.

      I dunno……i guess i just don’t see the need to go back to what it was before this virus…….in fact i see it as proof that we are just that much closer. We see the gathering clouds and we know it is not normal.  Our neighbors see the clouds, but to them it is normal (or new normal).  No matter what it will be sudden destruction for them.

      Hope that was not too confusing…….if it was let me know and i will clarify.

      Thanks!
      Whit

       

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    • #12975
      2ndcoming
      Participant

      I wonder why would Jesus mention people are eating, drinking, marrying when rapture happens. This normalcy has been around for thousands of years except disrupted by the first and second world war. Does Jesus mean the world shall suffer a greatness first, and recover, so that normalcy returns, people go back to eating, drinking mode. The peace and security comes back in their mind. Then all of sudden, destruction/rapture comes. I am leaning toward this thought. This Covid-19 has scarred everyone in this planet. Restaurants and bars are ordered to close. Marriage is forbidden due to restriction of gathering. When this virus is gone, normalcy returns. People are saying “peace! security!” which finally returns. They go back to eating, drinking in public places, marriage resumes, then bang, booms, sudden destruction comes, the rapture!!!

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    • #12977
      2ndcoming
      Participant

      The world will return to normal, after this virus is contained, after a cure and vaccine comes out. There’ll be headlines on all newspapers “Peace, safety, is back”. “We have conquered the Covid-19”, “Let’s celebrate by eating, drinking”. This happy mode returns in a global scale. But while they are celebrating, eating, drinking in public places, and marriage resumes, sudden destruction/rapture comes upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. ,.

       

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    • #12978
      MyWhiteStone
      Moderator

      Whit and 2ndcoming, let me propose a compromise adjustment of views.  Maybe we have entered the ark and are just waiting for the fullness of gentiles to come in – the last of those being saved.  When God shuts the door, the rain starts.  People have been and are still eating and drinking, even though the storm is about to break loose.  The precipitation has started but the flood is still in the offing.  And not everyone was instantly drowned in the flood back then in Noah’s day.  It took a while to float the ark and to “take them all away,” even though the doors were shut behind the blessed occupants.  The destruction took a while.

      I also personally suppose that people are still eating and drinking and marrying despite the amazing uncertainty at the moment, and that many will continue to do so after our door is shut.  Ideally very very soon.

      Don’t throw in the “one more year” towel, 2nd coming.  And the way the world is going, there won’t be the usual pro-incumbent chant, “… Four more years! Four more years!…”  I’m not expecting an election this year, that’s for sure (that I’m not expecting one).

      Things cannot return back to normal, 2ndcoming.  That’s dreaming an impossible dream.

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      • #13046
        Whit
        Participant

        :good: Beautifully said!  Being in the ark is apt.  All I know and can feel is we are somewhere in between something. I don’t think it will ever go back to what it was …especially when it is demonstrated how easy it is to bring the world and the world economy to a grinding halt.  That is one take away that won’t be soon forgotten.  All i know for sure is we are closer now than we have ever been.   Thanks for the input!

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    • #12993
      tenderreed
      Participant

      I agree about not throwing in the towel.   Some way, some how we shall know.

      He may not give us a direct word, but our spirits will be assured by God that it is upon us!  Of this I have no doubt.

      TR

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    • #13045
      2ndcoming
      Participant

      With the epidermic going on in Europe, I believe this Covid-19 virus shall eventually break the cohesion of the 27 members states, and dissolve them into a ten horns alliance predicted in Daniel 7. From reading the news, they are fighting over the medical resources among themselves. Borders have been shut. Many of their economy are in the brink of collapse. Soon, the disintegration shall happen, and dissolve into a ten horns alliance like bible has predicted.

      I know some of us are yearning for rapture. But what if God wants us to see the formation of a ten horn alliance before He calls us home? Shouldn’t we behave a bit more patient, and let God does His wonder?

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    • #13048
      Arthur
      Participant

      What purpose would it serve to see some beast empire?

      Anyway,  if you are not yearning to be with the Lord then I think something is wrong.  After all,  Paul commented that it is “far,  far better. ”

      The rapture will come at the perfect time.  Everything God does is perfect.

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      • #13055
        Geri7
        Participant

        Excellent point. I see this often while lurking on other forum boards some tend to put guilt trips on those longing to see Jesus and just assume we are sitting around and twiddling our thumbs.  They can’t comprehend we actually are multi-tasking and doing both (witnessing/praying for the lost while looking for Jesus to take us home). :yes:

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    • #13057
      Tammie
      Participant

      I have no desire to see the dark side, seen more than I care to already with facial recognition, chip implantation, AI, isolationism, human panic and increase of irrational fear. Nope, want absolutely nothing to do with the beast side of things to come for a time when I will NOT be here but celebrating with the Beloved King of Kings, the Bridegroom, the resurrected Yeshua, who died and gave Himself for me. I’m outta here sooner than later! :prayer-hands:

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    • #13065
      Watchman35
      Participant

      The Chinese government is now reportedly sending ventillators to other parts of the world to help!?!  The level of chutzpah is palpable.  That’s a bit like the guy who just raped your relative now offering “magnanimously” to pay for the abortion.  And the mainstream media praises them like its some great act of mercy.  Chinese flu.  Helloooo!?!  This is the government that created this evil and then lied about it resulting in greater harm to the entire world.  I have also heard some reports that alot of the medical equipment they are sending abroad is of marginal quality.  Imagine that.

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      • #13066
        Geri7
        Participant

        Yep, I can just see those ventilator machines suddenly malfunctioning and conking out and the tubing is probably sprayed with formaldehyde.

        I was at Dollar General yesterday – had a $5.00 coupon to redeem but had to spend $25.00 for the discount to apply.  Was looking at plastic outdoor flower containers.  They were stacked up on the shelf … while taking them apart the fumes were so horrific I said no way … even though I planned on painting them with white chalk paint … it just was not worth it.  I don’t understand why we are still doing business with China – the junk they send over gets worse and worse each year …

         

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      • #13098
        Whit
        Participant

        Exactly!  While i am loathe to tout the “journalism” of CBS News, they did report the story where where Lumber Liquidators was selling flooring made in China that was poisonous……………

        https://www.americanmanufacturing.org/blog/entry/Chain-mislead-investors-about-its-formaldehyde-laced-laminate-products

        Hopefully Coronavirus breaks the American consumer’s addiction to China.  (General Tsao’s Chicken and fortune cookies being the only exceptions)

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      • #13110
        Geri7
        Participant

        Whit,

        I see the article even mention pet treats and toy warnings.  “At least 1,000 dogs died from poisonous treats imported from China, leading chains like Petco and Petsmart to stop selling Chinese-made treats. An independent investigation in 2018 found that nearly one in three toys from China contain heavy metals, while one in 10 contain lead.”

        I’m ALWAYS reading the labels … its not just Petco and Petsmart but Walmart and other pet stores carry “China” pet food. :negative:   I stay clear away from them and ONLY buy American or Australia products.

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    • #13070
      2ndcoming
      Participant

      The army lab in Maryland Detrick was shut down last July for safety concern. Sine then, there were 30 millions people contracted a virus. Many of them died from pneumonia. The government blamed it on vaping which has been denied by cigarette companies. Even CDC director Redfield admitted some of them could die from coronavirus. I believe we all need to be prudent to accuse someone or country for the origin of this coronavirus, before the facts come out. The cluster outbreak of this coronavirus concentrates in north east of US where Maryland was part of it. Scientists will soon to find out the origin of this virus.

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    • #13084
      Arthur
      Participant

      I wouldn’t be suprised if it originated in the USA,  to be honest.  Countries are obviously meaningless to the globalists.  Behind the scenes,  they are all working together.

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    • #13132
      2ndcoming
      Participant

      If a cure comes out in few months, then the world will return to normalcy. People go back to eating, drinking (lockdown is removed), marriage also resumes. There are headlines on all newspapers “We have conquered the virus” “peace and safety are here” “Let’s celebrate by eating and drinking”. While they are in festival mood, sudden destruction/rapture comes upon them. But from what I understand Zechariah 11, there will be a three shepherds war breaks out before the rapture. What I don’t know is how shall this three shepherds war evolve based on the current political situation. So, it’s combination of both. A normalcy returns, and the three shepherds war breaks out, before the rapture.

      This is my speculation re how the three shepherds war starts. There is a growing consensus in US that China is to be blamed for this covid-19 virus. Some senators and law makers condemned China and take the matter to court. This growing tension between US and China shall eventually evolve into a war in South China sea, using the islands as an excuse to spark a war. While US is heavily engaged with China in the east, Iran seizes this opportunity to order Hezbollah and Hamas to launch an attack against Israel. Syria, Jordan joins the bandwagon. Alas, the three shepherds war breaks out. God cuts off the three shepherds in one month. Then bang, booms, God calls the church home!!!

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    • #13138
      2ndcoming
      Participant

      I still have high hope rapture happens this year, especially my high watch date Sept/4,5. Here’s an scenario. The cure for this Covid-19 virus is found in this summer. Normalcy returns. Lockdown is removed. People begin to drink and eat in public places. Marriage resumes. At the same time, war erupts between US and China in the east, either through the Taiwan issue, or the south China sea islands issue. Iran seizes this opportunity to order attack against Israel. The three shepherds war breaks out in summer. God cuts off three shepherds in one month. It takes us to Sept 4.5. Then bangs, booms, God calls the church home!!! Hallelujah!!!

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    • #13144
      Arthur
      Participant

      There could be “peace and safety” at the beginning of the Tribulation.  After the Rapture,  the coronovirus will mysteriously go away.  The anti-messiah will conquer peacefully with flattery and false promises.  People will cry “peace and safety”. Then the masks will truly come off and this false peace will end.

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    • #13145
      2ndcoming
      Participant

      There is no peace and safety after rapture. Immediately after the church is gone, Jesus opens the first 4 seals. First seal is the arrival of Anti Christ, who conquers based on his peace plan ( a bow with no arrow). Second seal is the red horse rider who takes away peace from this earth. Regional conflict erupts and many countries go to war with each other. Third seal is a global economic collapse which leads to hyperinflation. A daily wage can only afford a loaf of bread. Famine is everywhere. Fourth seal is death which follows a quarter of earth due to wars, famines, and pestilence.

      It will be chaos, confusion, wars, famine, at the beginning of tribulation.What follows next is Gog/Magog invasion against Israel, the 6th seal. A temporary peace can only come after this Gog/Magog.

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      • #13146
        Geri7
        Participant

        What about the Judgement Seat and crown ceremony and the worship ceremony of laying our crowns down at Jesus’ feet and we are saying or singing “Worthy is the Lamb that was slain”.  This will take time and it all happens before we see Jesus opening up the seals which then kicks off the tribulation.

        So I can see Arthur’s timeline of events happening that the “peace and safety” announcement by the AC AFTER the rapture.  The virus will have calmed down or they will be taking the vaccine shot and the unsaved will probably be deceived into thinking the born again believers all died from the virus or they see us fly away?   The AC will have the answers to give and console them.  If they see us fly away … then the AC will say the aliens took us away.  He will give false promises and a better tomorrow and then BAM … the tribulation kicks in.

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      • #13147
        Arthur
        Participant

        Of course there is peace at the start of the Tribulation.  The anti-messiah will conquer peacefully.

        We don’t know how long until the second seal is open. It could be a half a year for all we know.

        There could be a calm before the storm.

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    • #13149
      Arthur
      Participant

       

      The Revelation of Jesus Christ 6:1-4 (NKJV)

      First Seal: The Conqueror
      6 Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the [a]seals; and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, “Come and see.” 2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

      Second Seal: Conflict on Earth
      3 When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come [b]and see.” 4 Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword.

      I would think logically when it says that peace will be taken from the earth that there had to be peace to take away in the first place.

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      2ndcoming
      Participant

      First, there is no gap between the rapture and tribulation. Second, have you watched the left behind movie? Right after rapture, the world is fallen into chaos, confusion. Millions are weeping because their loved one are gone in rapture.  Stock markets collapses, not to mention car accidents, air plane crashes in multiple places. The white horse rider who is AC, comes out to conquer by peace plan. It doesn’t say that the world is at peace when he arrives on the scene.

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      • #13154
        Geri7
        Participant

        Take a look at the riders … they are in a particular order of sequence …  these happen after the church is up in heaven and after the Judgement Seat, Crown Ceremony, Worship Ceremony … the seals are broken by Jesus and the riders come out of the gates ….

        Rider on the White Horse represents the AC coming in with a peaceful solution … probably a solution for the virus, has the answers for the believers that have disappeared and has the solutions to the financial collapse … One World Currency.

        Rider on the Red Horse means war unfolds … G/M happens

        Rider on the Black Horse means famine

        Rider on the Pale Horse means more deaths

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    • #13153
      Arthur
      Participant

      I would think at the very start of the Tribulation,  the Gog Magog war happens.  Gog and Magog are supernaturally destroyed.  There is an exhilation by the world and the anti-messiah likely tries to take credit.  The anti-messiah confirms the covenant and there is this false peace for a number of months.  Then the second seal is opened by Jesus.

      As to the Left Behind movie,  I haven’t seen it.  Like you and me,  they are only speculating.

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