October 14, 2020 at 12:54 pm #38261
October 14, 2020 at 1:19 pm #38263GoldenknightParticipant
October 14, 2020 at 1:42 pm #38267
He said in this one … the 6th seal will be broken soon. And we know that is not true since none of the seals have been broken yet. The Church is in heaven watching Jesus break the first one … in Rev. 6 and the first seal will be the AC coming on the scene … and he sure hasn’t been revealed yet. I wonder if Steve believes the seals get opened backwards?
And sounds like he only pushes for a Pentecost rapture. But contradicts himself by saying when the peace deal is complete the G/M players will be in motion on the attack and that could happen soon since they are at the ready. So does he think the church still will be here to watch it if it happens soon and we need to wait until Pentecost 2021 for the rapture? To me he was all over the place with this particular youtube.
October 14, 2020 at 1:28 pm #38264
October 14, 2020 at 3:00 pm #38271
October 14, 2020 at 5:36 pm #38274
Oh, I’m glad you posted his youtube because he is still informative and like you said we can still discuss things. I’ve seen a few of his youtubes in the past but never realized he wasn’t a pre-tribber. So it was a shock to hear him say in this youtube that G/M judgment is connected to the 6th seal (God’s wrath).
I do agree with him that the rapture date is an appointed day not just any old day. However, he firmly thinks its only Pentecost. Whereas I think it could be Ascension Day or ……?
Also he says we are living in the days of Noah right now – with the love of many grows cold, love of self, love of money, evil days.
I agree with him that I think Trump needs to win the election to keep the peace process going on schedule.
And I do agree with him also that the G/M players are at the ready, Turkey desires Jerusalem and we don’t need to wait for any walls/barriers to come down.
Loz and Savedat33 brought to my attention this passage
God gives His answer about the walls … Ezekiel 38:18-21:
This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign Lord. 19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign Lord. Every man’s sword will be against his brother.
So, no, the walls do not need to be taken down. The verse: “I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars.”
This means Israel is living in complacency. She does not suspect she will be attacked. Notice the term: “unsuspecting”/ it call also mean complacent. The words used for walls, gates and bars can also mean ‘defenses’ she doesn’t have her defenses up because she does not suspect or expect to be attacked at all from a force coming from Mesach and Tubal (Turkey). This is what this means. Not to mention, the mountains of Israel are historically the Lebanon and Anti-Lebanon Mountains – not the Golan. The Golan Heights are more like the foothills of the mountains of Israel.
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My question is if the Feast of Trumpets isn’t the rapture day … is it then reserved for the 2nd Coming?
Yom Kippur – is that then the separation of Sheep and Goats?
Feast of Tabernacles – is that when the Millennium Age begins?
Also is the rapture day the timeframe that Noah entered the ark or when the flood waters started? Since Jesus said … as in the days of Noah were so will it be in the coming of the Son of Man.
Or how about when Enoch was taken? Does anybody have a clue on the timeframe he disappeared?
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October 14, 2020 at 6:53 pm #38279
October 14, 2020 at 8:28 pm #38280
Ok … we know these facts so far …
Enoch (7th Generation from Adam)
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son.
So what does translated mean? Is it just being transferred from one place to another – earth to heaven? Or does it also mean being physically changed from mortal into immortality and Enoch received his glorified body at that time as well? If so … then the theory of him being one of the 2 witnesses gets thrown out the door and it can only be Moses and Elijah.
So Enoch was 365 years old when he was rapture up. Is this a clue we should be using our 365 day calendar for decoding the clues on the Rapture high watch dates?
Still trying to figure out what day he flew away on … any ideas?
October 14, 2020 at 8:39 pm #38281
The day God took him??
sorry couldn’t resist the pun ….
His age is the reason they moved to the lunar calendar, but that was still not the calendar God used — so my opinion is no!
Remember, Ecclesiastes 3:11 “He has made everything beautiful in its time. Also, he has put eternity into man’s heart, yet so that he cannot find out what God has done from the beginning to the end.”
God knows we would not handle this information well, some would quit everything and sit on the rooftops, others may party it up to plan on the repentance the day before, still others may seek Him.
It is for us to be ready and watch! I’m good with that!
October 15, 2020 at 8:21 am #38303
Last night @ 8:30 pm I REALLY needed a
V8(aka MORE chocolate) and by the time the Kit-Kat bars and hot chocolate drink started working it was waay after I saw your comment .. in addition .. I was laying down on the floor and my dog wanted my attention so I’m throwing a tennis ball for him to fetch and bring back while multi tasking and trying to read your response of …
“Lot of controversy surrounding Enoch’s birth and rapture on Pentecost.” Why oh why I didn’t see this earlier … here you answered my question but for some reason I only saw/focused on the 365 age and Methuselah’s info.
Then I asked the question again of wondering his birth and death
Then your pun here … still didn’t register (sink in) yet until just now. Oh boy … I promise to be more alert today.
The day God took him??
sorry couldn’t resist the pun ….
October 15, 2020 at 8:50 am #38304
Just one more question …. I wonder if anybody witnessed Enoch getting raptured up or did they just find his clothes and shoes left behind? Does the book of Enoch reference anything on this subject? Or did the Lord reveal this only to Moses as he wrote the knowledge down in Genesis?
And poor Methuselah having to live on for another 669 more years without having the support and fellowship of his dad around. And what about Enoch’s wife … if she was still alive having to deal with that sudden loss of being a widow.
October 15, 2020 at 2:48 pm #38326AmyParticipant
Looked up the definition, don’t know if that helps…
Parts of Speech
From G3326 and G5087; to transfer that is (literally) transport (by implication) exchange (reflexively) change sides or (figuratively) pervert: – carry over change remove translate turn.
to transpose (two things, one of which is put in place of the other)
to transfer one’s self or suffer one’s self to be transferred
to go or pass over
to fall away or desert from one person or thing to another
Usage by Word
are (1), changed (1), over (1), removed (1), translated (1), turning (1)
Usage by Book
Acts, Galatians, Hebrews, Jude
October 14, 2020 at 9:04 pm #38283
I agree with you that we need to be on alert and watching every day and living like its our last day here. The Lord wants to reward His children with crowns down thru the centuries so this was the biggest reason why the rapture event is a mystery. It would have discouraged many if they knew it wasn’t going to happen until 2020, 2021 …
However, I do ponder this verse Daniel 12:4
But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.
I believe this is pertaining to our generation and I don’t think its wrong to try to figure out the rapture date since we are that close to flying away.
October 14, 2020 at 9:27 pm #38285
October 14, 2020 at 10:02 pm #38286
the bible does not tell us what day or month Enoch was taken, so any commentary that says they know this information, I wouldn’t count on it. oral traditions get passed down about history, but if God wanted us to have this info of month or day, for us not to be uncertain about it, the info would have been put into scripture as certain other month and day events were, like what day for passover.
the bible tells us,
Genesis 5:21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he fathered Methuselah. 22 Enoch walked with God after he fathered Methuselah 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Thus all the days of Enoch were 365 years. 24 Enoch walked with God, and he was not, for God took him.
By faith Enoch was taken up so that he should not see death, and he was not found, because God had taken him. Now before he was taken he was commended as having pleased God.
Jude 14 It was also about these that Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, 15 to execute judgment on all and to convict all the ungodly of all their deeds of ungodliness that they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things that ungodly sinners have spoken against him.”
i’m thinking about the ark, if the timing is foreshadowing when tribulation begins, it would mean the trib starting in a “fall” time which would put a mid trib abomination of desolation in a springtime. so the flight of the Jews would not be in the winter.
so hoping that we could be with the Lord at home before next year.
that Colossians 1:13 passage, we are no longer slaves to sin. we have been made citizens of heaven. we are no longer “citizens” of satan’s domain. this is a positional reality of our belonging to Christ. Remember about passover how one lamb was to a household?
Jesus is the lamb for His household. we are counted now in the household of Jesus, given assured grace to live in His kingdom with Him. we are not moved in physically yet where God calls home in heaven, but outside of time, God sees us set apart that the redeemed are His forever. we are positionally moved into the kingdom of God’s dear Son.
Berean study bible puts it this way:
12 giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the light. 13 He has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.…Berean Study Bible
October 14, 2020 at 10:49 pm #38287
October 14, 2020 at 11:28 pm #38289Leaving SoonParticipant
October 15, 2020 at 12:36 am #38291
found this in 2Enoch about his birthday being 6Sivan (Pentecost in the future), but 2Enoch does not agree with what the bible says about Enoch’s son being born when Enoch was 65, and how long he lived following his son’s birth. since the 2Enoch account disagrees with the bible, Holy Spirit does not get details wrong.
2Enoch 1:2 At that time, he said, when my one hundred and sixty-fifth year was completed, I begat my son Mathusal (Methuselah). 3 After this too I lived two hundred years and completed of all the years of my life three hundred and sixty-five years.
Chapter 68, LXVIII1 Enoch was born on the sixth day of the month Tsivan, and lived three hundred and sixty-five years.
October 15, 2020 at 5:08 am #38295
October 15, 2020 at 1:23 am #38292
While I don’t believe the books of Enoch are inspired scripture, the date discrepancies are not necessarily wrong. The Septuagint has some different dates for the early patriarchs.
Here is an article that explains why the Septuagint (LXX) is superior to the Masoretic text in a lot of places. (Be careful not to tell King James Onlyists this, though. Lol.)
October 15, 2020 at 11:01 am #38307
October 15, 2020 at 2:16 pm #38325
That is not to say that the Septuagint is always superior to the Masoretic text. There are times when the Masoretic text is better. It’s all part of the science of textual criticism.
As far as the dates of the patriarchs, that is a deep rabbit hole one can dive into. The Septuagint dates do tend to line up better with archeology, in general. However, they don’t match up with a roughly 6,000 year history that we have in the Masoretic text.
Will do some more digging.
October 15, 2020 at 3:57 pm #38330
October 15, 2020 at 4:35 pm #38332
October 15, 2020 at 4:48 pm #38333
This is what I find intriguing that the patriarchs in the Bible – their date of deaths are hard to find. This is one of the many things I’m going to enjoy in the library up in heaven – reading about the lineage in greater detail.
I would think there had to be some recordings somewhere – perhaps the Dead Sea Scrolls? Or perhaps the Vatican got the long lost books under lock and key in their basement.
I would think Noah brought with him on the ark … all the family treasures including the records of the family tree and the encyclopedias of Adam’s hard work of naming all the animals, birds, plants, sea life, etc. because how could man after the flood remember it all … somehow I think it got written down in a referral book(s).
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