What are the Odds?

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    • #2927
      Watchman35
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      When Jesus Christ came the first time, He fulfilled many Biblical prophecies, more than 300 according to some Biblical scholars.  One mathematician I read about did a statistical probability analysis related specifically to just 8 prophecies out of the hundreds.  You may already be familiar with it.  Those eight were:

      1.      Born in Bethlehem

      2.      Preceded by a messenger like John the Baptist

      3.      Entering Jerusalem on a donkey

      4.      Betrayed by a friend

      5.      Have His hands and feet pierced

      6.      Sold for thirty pieces of silver

      7.      The silver thrown into the Potter’s house to buy the potter’s field

      8.      Silent before His accusers as He is crucified with transgressors

      The analysis showed that the chances of any one human being randomly fulfilling just these 8 prophecies by “chance” are 1 in 10 to the 17th power.  That’s 1 in 100 billion millions.  To help us get our head around those kinds of odds, I have read it described as being the equivalent of covering the entire state of Texas in silver half-dollar coins two feet deep, randomly marking one of them with an X, randomly placing it somewhere within the state borders, blindfolding a person, and then giving them one chance to pick the right coin.  That’s how likely it is that any one man would happen to fulfill just these eight prophesies by “random chance”.

      Fast forward a couple thousand years.  Today there are many end-times prophecies being fulfilled right before our eyes.  There are definitely a lot more than just eight, but for the sake of symmetry in my illustration (though admittedly not necessarily statistical equivalency), I am going to pick just eight that jump out in my mind:

      1.      The dry bones of Ezekiel 37 alive and back in the land of Israel, with only 50 days left before it rolls over from 70 years to year 71

      2.      The geo-political alignment of Ezekiel 38 in place on Israel’s northern border

      3.      The technology to fulfill Revelation 13’s one-world economy via the Mark of the Beast now clearly exists.

      4.      The potential forerunner of a Daniel 9:27 peace treaty with many is supposed to be announced in a couple of weeks.

      5.      The 3rd Temple about to be rebuilt, including the altar dedicated back in December

      6.      A reason why Jesus would need to cut the days short for the sake of the elect (weapons of mass destruction that could easily annihilate the entire human race).

      7.      The one-world ecumenical religion that the Pope is pushing to bring Islam, unbelieving Judaism, and apostate Christianity all under one umbrella of damnation

      8.      The social conditions that characterize the world today in terms of the days of Noah, the days of Lot, and the description of 2 Tim 3:1-5

      In considering the second list of eight, I now ask the relevant corollary question.  What are the odds that any random time in history would just coincidentally happen to fulfill all these conditions at the same time?  I’m no mathematical statistician, but it has got to be 1 out of some huge number, just like when He came the first time.  That would mean He is about to come again in the clouds for His Bride.  We believe You Lord and to the extent any unbelief may have crept into our hearts to somehow cause us to doubt in even the slightest that you are about to call us up and take us to Abba’s house where You have prepared a place for us, we say help our unbelief.  Maranatha!!!

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    • #2930
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Indeed!  There is no doubt that He is, who He says He is!

      Then the question begs to be asked.  How dumb/blind does one need to be not to not see Him?!!!

      Stupid is as stupid does.

      TR

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    • #2933
      lev-nephesh
      Participant

      and also that countries of the world are going cashless, as well as thousands of people willingly chipping themselves to automate their lives…   it’s definitely soon!

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      • #2935
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Do you think that is the actual mark the AC will be using?  Or do you think they are just ready for the next one that the AC will require?   I ponder what’s happening right now because you hear of some Christians that say no worries we aren’t in the trib so this chipping is harmless and not the real thing.   I disagree and wouldn’t want to willfully receive any type of chip they are pushing on the masses right now.  Too close to the real thing and creeps me out.

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    • #2938
      Blake7
      Participant

      I do not know if chipping is the mark, however it makes me creeped out also. As the odds I am  amazed that people do not see the truth. All these things Watchman 35 list are so plain to see.  I pray more people do see and the truth and Jesus comes into their hearts. :prayer-hands:

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      • #2939
        Geri7
        Blocked

        Yep .. the more I read about A.I. the more I’m leaning towards once a person takes the AC’s mark they will no longer have complete control over their minds and thought process anymore … they will be under some type of spell like a zombie.

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        • #2953
          Blake7
          Participant

          Yes AI is a very uncomfortable thing. I myself see it being more harmful than good. So many things in this world that people have almost totally come to use like smart phones even worry me. I still use a old flip phone I rarely use it, never rings like unknown caller. But as soon as I leave my small condo community it starts ringing as if they know I’m moving and not home. I know some might think no its just a coincidence , but honestly it has happened so many times I’m sure of it.

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          • #2954
            Geri7
            Blocked

            I carry the same type of phone … I call it the dumb phone.  I rarely use it … just for emergencies.  My long distance family know by now they need to warn me first by email if they plan on calling my cell.  Then I turn it on and charge it up.

            For the past 8 months the local grocery stores are really pushing the use of the smart phones so you save on “extra” groceries … if you don’t have one, you miss out on the savings.  I see where this is all leading to …the tool for the cashless transactions.

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    • #2955
      Yohanan
      Moderator

      I’m glad you posted this, Watchman35. I did some Koinonia House courses several years ago and remember Chuck Missler giving that same probability equation. I’ve been wanting to find it again but haven’t had the time to search for it. Now I don’t have to! :good:

      Also, just read an article this past week about and AI learning chip that would super-accelerate human learning. Elon Musk, CEO of Tesla and SpaceX (super cool YAY!!! back to space we go!)

      https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/27/15077864/elon-musk-neuralink-brain-computer-interface-ai-cyborgs

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    • #2958
      Watchman35
      Participant

      In response to some of the comments related to the RFID chip and its potential to be the Mark of the Beast, here is another piece of information that I suspect many on this forum may already be aware of.  There are people who believe that the ultimate form of the chip that becomes the Mark will actually inject altered DNA into the person who receives the Mark.  This, in turn, would literally make that person no longer a human being by DNA definition.  That might offer a plausible explanation as to why anyone who takes the Mark is definitively denied any further chance at salvation.  I agree with the “creepiness” factor.  I cannot imagine ever allowing this body that houses my spirit and the Holy Spirit to be chipped.  Maranatha Lord Jesus!!!

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      • #2960
        Geri7
        Blocked

        I wonder if they will entice the people by calling it the “Fountian of Youth” serum?  And yet the irony is .. if they had chosen Jesus … they would have received a glorified body for all eternity.

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    • #2962
      Blake7
      Participant

      It is a strange feeling knowing the ending without knowing the specifics of how it comes about. Changing your DNA even a few years ago would have seemed impossible but now , well I’m really creeped out. Please  let us be long gone before anything even close to this starts. I know people are being chipped for work and things, I believe it will be a more direct decision when those take the mark that they are choosing a path following a anti Christ agenda. That’s why I’m thinking anyone who says no will be killed. But of course I could be wrong, even more creepy. :unsure: :scratch:

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      • #2964
        Geri7
        Blocked

        I used to have a few discussions about the dangers of being chipped with my former co-worker.  She still wanted to be chipped because then …  she wouldn’t have to remember any more passwords.

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    • #2967
      Blake7
      Participant

      That’s the thing , carrying a smart phone its like being chipped, they can tell we’re you are and who you talk text with, I’m guessing a lot more. I mean there’s a camera they could control. Social media is just as bad, that’s why I chose to not use FB. not saying it was wrong to those who did. I know a police officer who said they went to a seminar to use FB to investigate crimes and criminals.  Not that using FB is criminal for good things .I use a couple of Christian sites , this one included. I wonder if the time will or has come when they monitor us. It makes me so sad that I remember a time saying you were a Christian was generally looked on as a good thing, now sometimes when I tell people I follow the gospel of Jesus Christ they look at me like I’m a bad thing. Well good is bad, bad is good, time to go home. Jesus come soon I pray. :prayer-hands: :prayer-hands: :prayer-hands:

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      • #2969
        Watchman35
        Participant

        Hi Blake.  Yes, you are right; they are already monitoring us.  I have had some instances while posting on a Yahoo forum several years ago where it was very clear to me that someone was monitoring my posts in real time.  Obviously they cannot do that for everyone all the time, at least people cannot.  Now Alexa, she is another story.  But they are watching.  George Orwell would be proud.  Related to your thoughts on smart phones, I agree they are using those to track us as well, but there remains a huge difference between carrying a device around and having it implanted in your right hand or forehead.  And to all that I say, :prayer-hands:Maranatha!!!

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    • #2968
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Getting the mark is only half the equation.  The other half is full acceptance of and worship of the Beast.

      The chip seems to me to be the epitome of the efforts of man to control the masses, the wealth and the power.  A preconditioning step.  Even though it simulates the heart and plans of the AC,  I think the mark may probably be something more vile!  For the AC isn’t after the wealth of the world, or power, but souls!

      Once chipped and accepting a world order, the second step would be to receive the “mark” to specifically accept the world leader!  Something akin to the mark of Cain!  The AC will most likely imitate God’s example!

      A mark could suddenly appear supernaturally once someone bows  their knee to an image!  Remember Meshak, Shadrak and Abeddnigo!

      TR

       

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    • #2970
      tenderreed
      Participant

      A mark on the right hand the symbol of power, which was once yielded.  Now taken by the AC.

      And a mark on the foreheads of those who were blinded by Satan’s lies!

      TR

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    • #2972
      tenderreed
      Participant

      What are the odds, that the two end-time witnesses will be chided in a similar manner as Elisha was after Elijah was Raptured?!

      Elisha was approached by a gang of 42 children and mocked for not being raptured and for being bald. When Elisha cursed the children, two black she bears emerged from the wilderness and tore apart all 42 children!

      Then we have two end-time prophets prophesying for 42 months against those who were left behind.  I can easily hear some chiding and railing against them saying, why weren’t you raptured.  Go ahead and be raptured, we don’t want you here speaking to us!

      And when they are killed, the world universally celebrates their deaths.

      TR

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    • #2981
      churchgal
      Participant

      Fair use for education and discussion purposes

      This was one of the speakers at the World Economic Forum in Israel in 2018. I think this is what Watchman is referring to. I also believe that it could be that the mark will combine worship of the beast with a permanent changing of human DNA to be an AI/human hybrid; which will a person will have to knowingly and willingly accept with full knowledge of what it means.

      just fyi…it’s so creepy that people are actually talking about considering this???

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    • #2982
      Blake7
      Participant

      WOW, talk about creepy, this sounds like a nightmare. This would involve choice of the individual. And if a world government took it I can see those who refuse be killed. Thank the Lord Jesus that we will be with Him. It can’t be much longer till we are in the air with Jesus.

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    • #3135
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Consider the logistics of “chipping” some 6 billion people.  Given that we have 7 1/2 billion now!  Even for the AC and his workers, this would be a tremendous time consuming task!

      For this and other reasons, I am convinced that the Mark of the Beast will be accomplished by supernatural means.

      Though haters of God will try to emulate their father Satan, there will be things that he alone can accomplish.

      Let us remember, when Lucifer deceived and appropriated 1/3 of God’s angels, there were no humans there to help him.

      TR

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