Whatever happened to word of knowledge gifting….

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    • #10606
      tenderreed
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      In the 70’s and 80’s it seemed to be one of the premier giftings in operation.  Haven’t really heard if this gift being manifested for some time.  I wonder why?

      Or have I been missing it?

      TR

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    • #10608
      Tammie
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      TR

      I think you are referencing one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit as described below:

      1 Cor 12:8 “ For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit,”

      In some aspects I believe we have seen this as many of the prophecies we have watched come to pass. It has been a form of enlightenment over the last 10 years. Our knowledge of spiritual concepts and prophecy has increased.

      Ephesians 1:18-19, “ The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,”

      We have some believers who have increased knowledge in the heavenly bodies, others in numerical interpretations, others in birth pains and consistent changes in weather and seismic activity, while some search the headlines daily finding more clues to the unfolding of prophecy.

      Not sure if this is the venue you are meaning.

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    • #10610
      tenderreed
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      Well said Sis.  But I indeed was making reference to words of knowledge given on a personal level.  Seemingly from God’s own throne!  But you do make very valid points.

      TR

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    • #10611
      tenderreed
      Participant

      In other words, where are the Prophets for individuals rather than for the nations?!

      TR

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    • #10612
      David W. Roche
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      There seems to be some diversity of opinion as to the exact meaning of “word of knowledge” and “word of wisdom.” Is these utterances regarding things which could not be known by natural means and spoken as a personal prophecy, or is the gifting in the area of communicating effectively?  There are very wise and knowledgeable people out there, some from much study and others from what is seemingly beyond their experience.  There are those who have wisdom and knowledge,  yet lack the ability to make others understand.  Then there are those who know things that only God could have shown them and they pass that along to others.

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    • #10613
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Whether it be a word of knowledge or wisdom, or dreams and visions, it seems to me that this gift has been conspicuously missing, IMHO.

      In any event given the days we live in, you would think that words of this nature would be in high demand, or so it seems to me.  To be given a word directly from the Lord and specifically for you speaks to an intimate relationship with God.

      Both for those who are given those words, and for those to whom they are intended!

      TR

       

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    • #10614
      Tammie
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      TR,

      During the late winter of 2019, some time toward the end of February, in a moment of prayer, I typically wake up around 0300 am to have this quite time of thinking about God, communing with him, and seeking His face. During such a time, just as I was falling back to sleep, it seemed to me that God whispered, “during the Bride season”. When I woke to the alarm, my day began, but I kept thinking about this statement. So began my research to discover any truth. What I came to discover and feel as a gift to me, was that because Christ used such a profound illustration of the tradition of the Jewish wedding on many occasions to describe his return and even through the Lords supper to demonstrate this covenant sealed with his body and blood as the sacrificial lamb. I truly feel our snatching away will be during the bride season. This is typically from April to October (our calendar). Certainly there are many holidays and events that also occur during this time, Pentecost, First fruits, FOT, etc… I have studied many different aspects, levels, thoughts, concepts, Bible books, and dates related to prophecy. Do I have all knowledge, certainly not. Am I full of wisdom, no, I am a child compared to many. Was I given a word from God, I felt in my spirit I was, time will tell. I don’t focus on it, but continue to occupy, I still have my early morning time, missing very few.
      I have heard others receiving “a word “ to declare dates and times, I choose not to go down those paths.
      Do I believe God still speaks to us, absolutely and especially through His word, that is why memorizing Gods Word is so vital to my life.
      Is this a path you are thinking along this line? I have heard many on this blog having heart felt and spirit led truths proclaimed. You, HH, Donna, Yohanan, Geri, David, Watchman. So God is still giving a word, through His watchers.. my thoughts! The Father is going to tell the Son, Go, get your bride….very soon, all is soon ready! We are going home, praying it is this season. :prayer-hands:

       

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    • #10617
      tenderreed
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      Indeed there are times when I feel I have gotten a personal word from the Lord, I especially sense His leading when I pray.  I don’t rehearse or think out my prayers, but simply write what comes to mind.  Hopefully this will be a blessing to those I pray for.

      Notions and ideas often come and go, not all from the Lord.  I hope to surrender to His Spirit as often as I can. And then there are times when I simply step out in faith, and trust God for the outcome.

      On a few occasions I seem to know things that I shouldn’t know.  And then there are those times when God himself will use my voice and lips to speak a truth.  Just like Balaam’s donkey!  Am I a prophet?  NO!  As the Lord communes with us all.

      I wish I could claim and take credit for many things, but I don’t like the responsibility that comes with it.  My personal attempts at best are more than feeble.  But it’s wonderful when it is God!

      TR

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    • #10621
      tenderreed
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      I like that, Season of the Bride!  Not sure what all that means, but we are presently the focus of the full trinity!  That works for me.

      Though it goes without saying, our unity in the faith is that we love one another.  For herein is found our foundation, theology, doctrine and teachings aside!

      You all are the hands, feet and face of Christ in this life!

      TR

       

       

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    • #10627
      BeckyE
      Participant

      I hear impressions from God for people. I send them privately. Maybe we don’t hear about it because it’s more of a private thing? It seems to be growing in my circle of friends, listening to God for others, usually in the form of scripture.

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    • #10635
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Glad to hear that BeckyE!

      The only wise words that I would have would be directed to the more mature of us.  If you have a dream and see a toilet there, don’t use it!

      TR

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    • #10646
      Tammie
      Participant

      One of Amir’s updates stated that Muslims where coming to Christ proclaiming it was through visions and dreams, very similar to what Saul (Paul) experienced on the road to Damascus. The harvest is white…the labors are few … The Lord of the harvest can take care of business….just saying! :unsure: :prayer-hands:

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      • #10657
        Geri7
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        :amen:  This is such an exciting report from Amir, Tammie.  Because I’m sure its so hard for missionaries to get a foothold into the muslim countries with all the red tape.  I’m sure their suitcases would be searched and if they see Bibles, they wouldn’t get very far … so the Lord uses other means to reach the muslims with the dreams and visions! :good:

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    • #10649
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Indeed Tammie, the Lord can work just as well without us, as with us.  He steps in when the testimony of men is rejected.

      The Lord often invites us to share in His work.  But then again, He will often times ask us to sit and watch Him work!  That way He alone will get the glory!  For He will share His glory with no man!

      Again we are privileged and it is desirable to be in relationship with our Creator God and the lover of our souls.  But the Lord has made it abundantly clear that this divine romance will only work when we accept Him on His terms, not ours!

      That’s the difference between a true and sincere relationship on His terms as opposed to a religious relationship which is on our terms!

      Just as a woman submits to a husband she does so as unto the Lord and is honored.  And when a man submits himself to the Lord and dies to self he is honored of God!  For this is what Christ did, submitted himself to the Father, and we as the Bride submit to Christ.  Thereby was all honor the principle of “first’s”.

      TR

       

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    • #10655
      tenderreed
      Participant

      The point being, once we learn to submit then we are invited to surrender.  Sadly in our world that seems to often work the other way.  We first surrender to our passions, our lusts, our goals and agenda’s, and never learn to submit!

      Submitting to His will first, then invited to surrender our hearts to His!

      TR

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    • #10681
      Tammie
      Participant

      So another awesome sign that God works in spite of us is what is occurring in China. Whereas, China arrests and kills Christians for their faith, they now are allowing them to minister where others won’t go.

      https://www.christianpost.com/news/christians-sharing-love-of-jesus-in-coronavirus-hot-zone-death-toll-rise-to-724.html

      The Gospel of our salvation is spreading at the last hour with a vengeance. We can pray that God continues his harvest, where only He can go.

      :prayer-hands:

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      • #10683
        Geri7
        Participant

        Wow, amazing breakthrough!  All things work together for good.  It takes a crisis for people to listen … praying for the brave Christians who are sharing their faith on the streets in Wuhan.  I betcha there aren’t any communist police hovering around eavesdropping to suppress their evangelizing!  The police are probably either in hiding or fled to another city seeking safety.

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    • #10687
      tenderreed
      Participant

      God be praised for His great Love!  As I’ve been saying, the Lord is simply picking the last of the ripe harvest before we are outta here!

      TR

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    • #10702
      Geri7
      Participant

      Hey Tammie,

      The Chinese doctor who first discovered the virus in Wuhan was a believer and he had so much love and compassion for his people.  No wonder the Lord is doing a mighty work in his hometown.

      All across China, people are talking about Dr Li Wen Laing.  He was the doctor who discovered the novel coronavirus and in the early morning of Feb 7  2:58 am, he was promoted into glory and went home to be with our Father in heaven.

      Back in December last year, he was arrested for being a whistle blower “spreading rumors” about a mysterious pneumonia like virus.  This morning we found out he was in fact a fellow brother in Christ.  Our hearts are deeply moved by his sacrificial choice to spread awareness about the virus despite the risks he faced, especially to his reputation and to his own health.

      He continued to care for patients up until he was infected himself.  What a legacy to leave behind of what it means to be like Jesus to those hurting in a time of crisis.

      So today,  please pray for his family, especially his wife who is also infected and 8 months pregnant with their 2nd child.  May God heal them supernaturally and give them grace, peace, strength and comfort during this time.

      Dr Li Wen Laing penned a deeply touching Chinese poem below of how he would miss his family, his beloved Wuhan and quoted 2 Tim 4:7-8 “I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith”.  Finally, there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will give me on that Day, and not to me only but also to all who have loved His appearing.”

      Here is a captivating, heart-touching Chinese poem written in memory of Mr. Li Wenliang, a Christian doctor and whistleblower who died from the coronavirus himself after being punished for issuing the first warning about the deadly coronavirus outbreak.

      “The Hero who Told the Truth”

      I don’t want to be a hero
      I still have my parents
      And my children
      And my pregnant wife who’s about to give birth
      And many of my patients in the ward
      Though my integrity cannot be exchanged for the goodness of others
      Despite my loss and confusion
      I should proceed anyway
      Who let me choose this country and this family
      How many grievances do I have
      When this battle is over
      I will look up to the sky
      With tears like rain
      I don’t want to be a hero
      But as a doctor
      I cannot just see this unknown virus
      Hurting my peers
      And so many innocent people
      Though they are dying
      They are always looking at me in their eyes
      With their hope of life
      Who would have ever realized that I was going to die
      My soul is in heaven
      Looking at the white bed
      On which lies my own body
      With the same familiar face
      Where are my parents
      And my dear wife
      The lady I once had a hard time chasing
      There is a light in the sky

      At the end of that light is the heaven that people often talk about
      But I’d rather not go there
      I’d rather go back to my hometown in Wuhan
      I have my new house there
      For which I still have to pay off the loan every month
      How can I give up
      How can I give up
      For my parents without their son
      How sad must it be
      For my sweetheart without her husband
      How can she face the vicissitudes in her future

      I am already gone
      I see them taking my body
      Putting it into a bag
      With which lie many compatriots
      Gone like me
      Being pushed into the fire in the hearth
      At dawn
      Goodbye, my dear ones
      Farewell, Wuhan, my hometown
      Hopefully, after the disaster
      You’ll remember someone once
      Tried to let you know the truth as soon as possible
      Hopefully, after the disaster
      You’ll learn what it means to be righteous
      No more good people
      Should suffer from endless fear
      And helpless sadness

      I have fought the good fight
      I have finished the race
      I have kept the faith
      Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness
      2 Timothy 4:7

      – Fair Use-

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    • #10706
      Tammie
      Participant

      Thank you Geri for finding this, I could not read it out loud without tears. We need to pray God sends this testimony around the globe to bring souls to Jesus to honor a hero of the cross.

      God is so amazing! :prayer-hands:

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    • #10708
      tenderreed
      Participant

      Indeed tears in my eyes as well.  May the Lord bless and keep him in God’s peace, love and hope!

      Would rather have a testimony than an indictment!

      TR

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    • #10717
      Tammie
      Participant

      So Geri I found the original article on Godtv.com and have forwarded it out to friends and family to share and spread his testimony. The Chinese government is working to discredit him as people are coming to a saving knowledge of Christ because of his testimony. May God bless this dear brothers testimony to win others. :prayer-hands:

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