January 15, 2021 at 8:32 am #69157tenderreedParticipant
Again on a day when we think not, for no man knows the day or hour!
We who watch the times and seasons will not be taken by surprise, for we know that time is short!
But calculating the day and hour is not possible and highly unfruitful! For the Lord is sovereign! Regardless all the many high watch days before us, God’s perfect timing has yet to be revealed to men!
That said, we watch, hope and pray that it be sooner than later! For we know He is also anxious to receive His bride!
Surely though between May 14th and FOT trumpets 2021 are extremely likely!
Jan 20th, also a real possibility!
Rest in the promise of His return, He does not lie!
January 15, 2021 at 1:17 pm #69161TheWayParticipant
And remember that most Christians are not watching for the rapture (they think not about it) and are not knowledgeable about the history of Israël, the Feasts of the Lord, types and shadows in Scriptures that pertains to future events, etc. I am always surprised to hear that many believers think that we will see a great revival where I see a downturn of events for the Church here on Earth until we are ‘harpooned’ out of here. Those who are looking for and hoping in our Saviour’s appearing will not be disappointed.
January 15, 2021 at 11:59 pm #69197
TheWay- i’m not sure i ever thought of that before! very interesting!
also, that makes me think it could even be just more confirmation that the Rapture is Pre-Trib becuz so many Christians aren’t thinking about us being snatched up to meet Him coming for us in the air to take us to where He is, but instead are thinking we have to wait for Him to come all the way down here to earth at His glorious 2nd coming return and they are thinking we will still be here instead of us riding behind him to come back with Him! so any time Pre-Trib is a time they think not!
January 16, 2021 at 12:49 am #69200Dogg OneParticipant
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January 17, 2021 at 2:55 pm #69275MyWhiteStoneParticipant
Hello Dogg One and Arthur, and also gratefulforgrace (below), I could technically remove the post or delete the link but in the interest of honest and open fellowship and expression of views on RITA Now and censorship ability and abuse being what it is globally, let me say two things.
1 – Dogg One may have misread even the title of the link. So I would like to encourage him as Arthur did, to say what he truly believes.
2 – Fellowship and unity here are more important than risking some unsuspecting seeker / lurker from being led astray by a pre-wrath doctrine for which this forum has no acceptance. The pre-trib ground rule we have, I suppose and if so I agree with, was codified to avoid the adverse negativity.
So let’s dialogue a bit more. Okay?
January 18, 2021 at 1:38 pm #69326YohananModerator
January 16, 2021 at 11:43 pm #69241
(dogg one- i didn’t look at link & it’s nice of you to want to share, but to clarify, i think…if i remember/understand correctly…pre-wrath vs pre-trib is cuz they say wrath is only after first half of trib, but actually the whole Tribulation period involves God’s wrath poured out on unrepentant evil and involves a progression of intensity in hopes that man will repent and turn to Him humbly with godly sorrow and be rescued from their sin and it’s consequences of hell…it’s all a period of Jacob’s Trouble i think it’s called in OT…you’d have to look into for more accurate info on the differences etc.)
January 17, 2021 at 4:02 pm #69279
i guess my actual point i didn’t explain well was that in line with this thread “when we think not”, anything other than pre-Trib would not fit…if Rapture was in middle of Trib, anyone could know when it would be once the AC was revealed and confirming the peace treaty to start the Tribulation period of 7 years (isn’t it actually a little less cuz God shortens it?) so you’d look for the 3 1/2 year point…if Rapture was end of the Trib you’d wait for the end of the 7 years and know right when that is…pre-Trib you can’t know exact time, only you can see Trib stuff building on the horizon…in the making…around the corner…coming….so you can know it’s the season, getting close…unless God causes a skidding hault and u-turn, it’s like you can almost taste the Rapture it’s so close…but the Rapture’s exact time we can’t know for certain and if most Christians are looking for it to be in the middle or end of the Tribulation or not at all, then a Pre-Trib Rapture – no matter when it is- will be when most Christians think not!
clear as mud, maybe…that’s why i say research it for anyone wanting to understand differences
and yes, pre-trib vs pre-wrath i think i actually used to think were the same becuz i hadn’t read about pre-wrath and had just gone by the name and already knew that the Trib is all going to include the Lord’s wrath & that’s a huge reason why we know we won’t be here for it becuz Jesus took the wrath we deserve for us and since we accepted His offer of pardon we are declared not guilty and set free from the punishment that was due us- the wages of our sins- death (separation from God eternally and dead spiritually)
January 17, 2021 at 4:37 pm #69282
Thanks, Gratefulforgrace. :)
Yes, as Pre-Trib believers, we are definitely pre-wrath. It is clear that whole Tribulation is the wrath of God. :)
We reject the 3/4ers through the Tribulation “pre-wrath” Rapture as put forth by Robert Van Campen a few decades ago.
Here is an excellent article on the subject from Rapture Ready:
January 18, 2021 at 2:08 pm #69327TxThomModerator
Pre-wrath vs Pre-Trib conversations reminds me of Zechariah chapters 1 & 6 and how the relate to the Revelation of the Lord – ”
7 On the twenty-fourth day of the eleventh month, which is the month Shebat, in the second year of Darius, the word of the Lord came to Zechariah the son of Berechiah, the son of Iddo the prophet: 8 I saw by night, and behold, a man riding on a red horse, and it stood among the myrtle trees in the hollow; and behind him were horses: red, sorrel, and white. 9 Then I said, “My lord, what are these?” So the angel who talked with me said to me, “I will show you what they are.”
10 And the man who stood among the myrtle trees answered and said, “These are the ones whom the Lord has sent to walk to and fro throughout the earth.”
11 So they answered the Angel of the Lord, who stood among the myrtle trees, and said, “We have walked to and fro throughout the earth, and behold, all the earth is resting quietly.” Zech 1
6 Then I turned and raised my eyes and looked, and behold, four chariots were coming from between two mountains, and the mountains were mountains of bronze. 2 With the first chariot were red horses, with the second chariot black horses, 3 with the third chariot white horses, and with the fourth chariot dappled horses—strong steeds. 4 Then I answered and said to the angel who talked with me, “What are these, my lord?”
5 And the angel answered and said to me, “These are four spirits of heaven, who go out from their station before the Lord of all the earth. 6 [a]The one with the black horses is going to the north country, the white are going after them, and the dappled are going toward the south country.” 7 Then the strong steeds went out, eager to go, that they might walk to and fro throughout the earth. And He said, “Go, walk to and fro throughout the earth.” So they walked to and fro throughout the earth. Zech 6
And in Revelation 6: “6 Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the [a]seals; and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder, “Come and see.” 2 And I looked, and behold, a white horse.” The Behold! part wasn’t the rider, it was the horse. They are the Lord’s servants who have a global range. And it was the Lord that releases them in times of peace, and in times of wrath. Which means that the opening of the seals and the sending forth of the horses are the direct result of the Lord’s actions and therefor represent His Wrath being poured out from the beginning of Daniel’s 70th week, or at least from the opening of the seals.
January 18, 2021 at 2:24 pm #69328
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