November 26, 2020 at 11:37 pm #40054
I almost don’t want to ask this because it may be discouraging. And I almost don’t want any responses trying to be encouraging to me, so let me also pre-absolve you of any wrongdoing toward me, no matter what you might offer in response.
But this post is just kind of a “…maybe you should face it Dan. You know nothing other than things usually profferred here, and what you currently assume may well be way off base. The last few years prove that. And you’ve pinned so much peace of mind on your next pet set of high-watch dates.”
It’s not that I haven’t been busy for the Lord. I think I have been. But I have proven I know quite well how to fool myself. Oy vey!
Okay Lord. You know. And it’s not for me to. Maranatha Jesus, we love you, and good night again. And thanks for today.
November 26, 2020 at 11:48 pm #40055
No hate. I appreciate the brutal honesty. :)
None of us really know since none of us really know the mind of God. His thoughts are not our thoughts.
IMHO, we have a maximum of 4 years left. I don’t think the Second Coming will be any later than 2032. So the Rapture would be in 2025, at the latest, IMHO.
Will it be in 2021? Could be.
All I know is that tomorrow we will be one day closer to being with our Blessed Saviour, Jesus Christ, forever and ever.
Live like He’s coming today but plan like He’s coming back 50 years from now.
November 27, 2020 at 7:19 am #40059
Sad to say, we really don’t know!
We have the Blessed Hope! Indeed we are closer now than ever before in history.
Because we’ve been there and done that, the thought of waiting but one more day is more than repulsive!
Again, waiting for the Lord to tell me when to jump all in and totally reject life here on this Earth!
Trying times for the soul ahead! Hopefully wisdom will guide our hearts!
November 27, 2020 at 8:50 am #40060
Perhaps 4 more years? Then wouldn’t it make this verse to be untrue?
Seventy years are given to us! Some even live to eighty. But even the best years are filled with pain and trouble; soon they disappear, and we fly away.
Based on this verse … the prophetic clock started up again on Israel’s rebirth as a nation May 14, 1948 + 80 yrs = May 14, 2028 – 7 yr trib = May 14, 2021 looks like the days remaining or it could be less before the rapture.
Per Sean Osborne @ Eschatology Today
Iran is threatening Israel over Syria again. Big mistake.
Iran on Sunday vowed to defeat any Israeli attempt to harm its role in #Syria, saying the era of “hit and run” attacks by Israel there was over, days after Israel carried out air strikes on Syrian army and Iranian paramilitary targets in the country. (Arutz Sheva)
And the players for G/M are in place at the ready …
Thomas Maples posted
FYI, when you read “Ethiopia” in the prophecies, it refers to the land directly to the south of Egypt. That would today be Sudan. What is called Ethiopia today is actually the land to the south of Sudan.
And another on RITA facebook said “Russia is in S. Sudan. Turkey is in Egypt.”
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Meanwhile … Trump is at Camp David today … Hmm … I wonder what they are discussing?
Plus aren’t we looking for the many to join the peace accords too?
So stay encouraged and keep looking up!!!!
November 27, 2020 at 11:20 am #40063
There is nothing wrong with acknowledging something is unknown to us, in spite of our hopes and speculations.
Things are about to change dramatically, in the next few weeks. God’s timing will not be affected by these events, although our understanding of what is going on may be (emphasis upon “may”).
November 27, 2020 at 11:38 am #40064
November 27, 2020 at 12:03 pm #40066
That’s a word I mispelled for many years. Think of it as “to the morrow”
Definition of the morrow
old-fashioned + literary
: the next day : tomorrow : the futureWe expect them to arrive on the morrow.We don’t know what the morrow may bring.
Dictionary Entries near the morrow
(the) more fool one
the more the merrier
the morning star
November 27, 2020 at 6:54 pm #40075TammieParticipant
Nope, I still hold to an imminent return …. we have been in the end times since the resurrection of Christ …. the age of grace (church age, time of the Gentiles, etc…) is coming to a close and God will deal with Israel during the tribulation. Many dates come and go … it appears to be the need of humanity to determine when God should act, very similar to what Saul did in offering the sacrifice before Samuel arrived. By faith, our God is in charge, never has he been out of step for his perfect plan — humanity and many well meaning believers and watchers try to state a date that God will act, take his Bride home … God acts everyday in the best interest of his children, his bride .. we are to trust, wait, watch, work, pray, and worship…. I too have seen many decades of watch dates come and go! I look forward to each one and every day …. He is coming for His bride, it is stronger in our Spirits (stop and “feel” that still small voice) today than ever before, we are out the door any moment. Only one other time has so much of prophecy been fulfilled at one time in human history—-the birth and death of our Savior … now we are about to go (we go, he doesn’t come) to our heavenly home and live in the presence of our blessed hope and the eternal God our father. Get ready to fly, every day ….
November 29, 2020 at 9:48 pm #67136TheWayParticipant
I remain convinced that we will collectively be made aware that the day is approaching. By ‘we’ I mean ‘watchers’. We will reach a point where many will get dicouraged and say “Where is the promise of His coming?” I suppose some will also say that they’ve been watching for so long, and nothing happens. It’s just one watch day after another! It doesn’t help when there are soooo many voicing their opinions, sharing dreams of the soon coming rapture, calculating dates, and looking at the planets, and on and on…. Has any one noticed the never ceasing voices that bombard us every day? I am at a point where I cannot read another inspirational quote, and I certainly don’t want to see more of them on tshirts, pillows, mugs, wall art and facebook! I think our enemy knows how to deflect our attention from the Word…. drown us in worldly words! In all the turmoil, I like to keep things simple: 6000 years were given, we are there, He is coming back just about now. We won’t be taken by surprise, we will see the day approaching if we watch. Let’s keep our watch!
November 29, 2020 at 10:43 pm #67139
November 30, 2020 at 10:54 pm #67170
So here’s something. I have been assuming / presuming / accepting / believing the Battle of Gog – Magog is a short time near the beginning of the Tribulation and the Battle of Armageddon ends the Tribulation. I’m not looking to debate this. It’s not an “essential” of the faith. But I have been intrigued for the last five years since Russia barged into Syria, with the expectation that an immediate Ezekiel 38-39 Russia / Turkey / Iran / Libya / Sudan alliance would break out against Israel. For years I have been mentally modeling a rapid end-times scenario package, including the Rapture, and the revelation of the Antichrist as a man with a covenant to confirm, and the Gog/Magog war all in close proximity in time.
But I bought the Joel Richardson book last week, The Mideast Beast, that proposes a very plausible likelihood that 1) these two wars (Gog/Magog and Armageddon) are actually the same war, waged by the Messiah against Gog, all a process of His second coming, and that 2) Gog is the Antichrist — and nothing other than Islamic, not European or Russian. Anyway, I’m going to start thinking differently, trying on this new set of possibilities as assumptions, and their implications for that covenant with many for one seven. That’s still our exit cue.
Oh, and how does this election, the Deep State, the NWO, the World Economic Forum, the Harlot riding the Beast, … all fit together within the next very few months as my heart wants them to be…? Again, Oy Vey!
So let me repeat what I started with: “…maybe you should face it Dan. You know nothing other than things usually proffered here, and what you currently assume may well be way off base…”
Thanks sincerely, my good friends in Jesus, for the encouragement. And I hope there’s no heartburn over this.
December 1, 2020 at 12:53 am #67172
I find that the prophecy scholars of long ago only had so much that they could base their end time scenarios on. If they saw what is developing now … I think a few of them would have changed their views.
Does Joel Richardson believe the AC will have Islamic heritage? If so … it could very well happen that way because … we have this warning passage in Matt 24
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Behold, I have told you before.
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
We have Chrislam worship center forming … and if the AC is, in fact, a muslim and a descendent to Ishmael … doesn’t Ishmael and Isaac share the same father Abraham?
Also the muslims use the beheading method as their form of punishment.
December 1, 2020 at 1:50 am #67177
Joel Richardson is Post Trib. That may colour his view of things a bit. Not saying he is wrong but his foundation is already faulty.
Here are some thoughts about the timing of the Gog Magog War:
December 1, 2020 at 8:37 am #67182
December 1, 2020 at 4:33 pm #67205
December 1, 2020 at 9:57 pm #67213
Hmmm … good point about perhaps the 7 year burning of the weapons for fuel could overlap into the start of the millennium … because there is also the 40 year clean up of the nuclear disaster of the Nile River between Egypt and Ethiopia. The millennium folks are REALLY going to need lots of tea or will be eating tons of salad leaves from the Tree of Life. Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, andyielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
The prophecy of Ezekiel 29 is still future because the Tower of Syene wasn’t built until the 1970’s … a 230-foot “Lotus Tower,” designed as a token of Arab-Russian friendship, its five petals perhaps signifying the five pillars of the Islamic faith.
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Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring a sword upon thee, and cut off man and beast out of thee. 9 And the land of Egypt shall be desolate and waste; and they shall know that I am the LORD: because he hath said, The river is mine, and I have made it. 10 Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. 11 No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. 12 And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years: and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations, and will disperse them through the countries” (Ezek. 29:6-12).
December 2, 2020 at 11:53 am #67224
Evidently, Geri, Syene back then was today’s Aswan. Here’s a tower of sorts, the Aswan Dam, rising 364 feet. Recalling there’s a worldwide earthquake at the end. A lot of dams (all?!) including this one will probably tumble. There’s 31.7 cubic MILES of water in Lake Nasser being held back. Oy Vey!
Nuclear might not be necessary, or puny by comparison, nor should it be advisable for any of the powers that be to intentionally destroy that dam. No? But I guess the devil is unpredictable sometimes in his audacity.
So, have some tree leaf salad for healing? Maybe you could dry them out and make croutons. Are palm fronds actually considered leaves, or do they consist of leaves? Those trees along the River of Life have always inTREEg’d me…
December 1, 2020 at 5:02 pm #67206
December 1, 2020 at 5:21 pm #67209
If the Gog/Magog War and the Battle of Armaggedon are the same war, then the burning might continue for a few years, say six or more, into the Millennium. Just sayin.’
By the way, Arthur, Joel Richardson acknowledges and addresses many of the authors’ arguments cited in your link just above. Again, not arguing for one or the other, just a codger continuing his cogitatin’ here.
December 1, 2020 at 5:30 pm #67210
I would put G/M at the start of the 7 years for a variety of reasons, one of which is that Israel is said to be dwelling securely when it occurs. That doesn’t seem very likely at the end of devastating plagues upon the entire planet, especially when the remnant of Israel has been hiding in the wilderness for three and a half years.
December 1, 2020 at 5:57 pm #67211
Okay, David, this is my conjecture, outside that box… The “covenant with many” confirmed by the amazing AC (maybe even related to the Abrahamic Accords) could possibly give Israel that sense of security for a while. No war but peace with their neighbors, everyone in Israel agreeing the covenant provides peace from early on, and maybe even for a few years. After all, they’ll have the signs-and-wonders messiah on their side.
“I will go up against the land of unwalled villages. I will fall upon the quiet people who dwell securely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having no bars or gates…”
Maybe the covenant could be that attractive to Israel, somehow. Why not?
PS – And evidently, Bill Gates, at least according to the last few words above, won’t be there either. And bars will be closed too, I guess.
December 2, 2020 at 2:37 pm #67227
Even though I am in the camp of those who place G/M around the start of the 70th week, and I can agree that Israel could be thought of as dwelling securely in the land due to the “covenant with the many,” I still can’t see that security lasting past the time of the Abomination of Desolation, in the middle of the seven years. I can’t see “peace and safety” going on while the wrath of God is being poured out upon the whole earth.
It may not work out as I envision, but I can’t see Armageddon as the same thing as Gog/Magog. The nations participating in Ezekiel 38 are enumerated. In Revelation, we’re told all the nations would be gathered against Jerusalem. Moreover, according to Zechariah, the armies penetrate into Jerusalem. In Ezekiel, the invaders are destroyed upon the “mountains of Israel.”
December 2, 2020 at 4:03 pm #67229
No need to wait for any walls to come down before Gog’s army attacks because this passage indicates the Lord will be taking the walls down Himself in His wrath.
This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign Lord. 19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign Lord. Every man’s sword will be against his brother.
December 2, 2020 at 5:05 pm #67230Seeking IlluminationParticipant
My emotions and thoughts on timing are like a roller coaster. We realize we are in very prophetic times and every day some new event occurs that has prophetic meaning. It makes me feel we are very, very close, but nothing happens. The word “soon”, we have all learned, is very subjective which surely is teaching me patience.
Another possible sign is being discussed by Tom Horn. He has written two new books about the coming asteroid Apophis which is due to make its appearance in April of 2029. He believes that asteroid is the “Wormwood” of Revelation which arrives on earth in the middle of the tribulation. NASA says it will not hit earth. Tom Horn feels otherwise.
At any rate; we wait, we watch and pray and pray and pray and pray.
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December 2, 2020 at 10:22 pm #67231AmyParticipant
December 2, 2020 at 11:27 pm #67233BlueParticipant
He points out on his community page that peace agreements need to be complete before the Israel government is dissolved.
December 2, 2020 at 11:43 pm #67234BlueParticipant
And Brother Chooch has had some good discussions over the last few days about why to expect the rapture soon.
December 3, 2020 at 8:44 am #67245
Hmmm … back to a spring rapture only vs. any day?
Interesting Brother Chooch also mentions there is a gap in time between the rapture event and when the tribulation actually starts.
I think he might be right because when you look at the sequence of events in Revelation …
Revelation 4:1 is the rapture and then John saw the 24 elders having their crowns and they fall down on their knees and are worshipping Jesus on the Throne and cast their crowns down. This indicates the Judgement Seat had to occur for them to have their crowns. Wouldn’t that take some time for the Judgement Seat … because think of all the believers from Pentecost up to now being rewarded. How long will the rewards ceremony take?
Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
Then there is another praise ceremony to the Lamb because He is Worthy.
Then Jesus opens the first seal and the Rider on the White horse (AC) comes forth and is revealed …
December 3, 2020 at 12:48 am #67235reginaParticipant
A piece i’ve been thinking about is Daniel 7 where it talks about the 4th kingdom. when this kingdom comes, its terrible. in NASB it says it devours the whole earth, treads down and crushes. Dan 7:23-25 It will take what had not been part of it (devours) and it will be oppressive and forceful in putting down dissent. in Dan 2:33-44 iron and clay feet and toes do not mix.
Dan 7:24 Out of the kingdom (so the kingdom has to be present) 10 kings arise. After the 10 kings rise, another rises (antichrist) and subdues 3 of the kings. Subduing isn’t peaceful. I’m wondering when the first horse riding of Revelation 6:2 is, if this takes place when the antichrist first rises (Dan 7:24), and 3 kings are subdued because in Revelation the rider is crowned and goes out conquering and to conquer.
We are out of here before the tribulation begins. Pre trib rapture. Crowned elders are before the throne, present when Jesus takes the scroll from His Father’s hand. I’m wondering if this 4th kingdom being established only happens after the church is raptured, if Holy Spirit keeps it from devouring the earth while the church is present or if the church will be around for part of its rising. when I see people being arrested for opening a business or some other perfectly normal activity, it seems like the kind of attitude the authorities will have when that terrible 4th beast/kingdom is in charge. only worse in the future.
If the church is taken before this beast gets to devour nations into world rule, seeing what is going on in Australia, Canada, China and elsewhere now has me thinking we’ve got to be close. Powers of government are welcoming totalitarianism instead of caring about liberty and freewill of the people. Who would have thought parents could be arrested for being on a beach or at a park with their children or the whole world would be asked to wear masks and distance, separating families and friends worldwide. it walks like a beast and talks like a beast. its different from the kingdoms that have come before.
Regarding Israel, what is written brings to mind Daniel 7:23, that Israel will think they are spared being devoured by the beast kingdom because of the agreement they make, or maybe they will be trusting in their own rituals and beliefs about following God, their heritage of being Jewish, although they have not come to faith in Christ yet.
Isaiah 28:14-19 KJV
14 Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
16 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I lay in Zion for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste.
17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.
18 And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.
19 From the time that it goeth forth it shall take you: for morning by morning shall it pass over, by day and by night: and it shall be a vexation only to understand the report.
am praying that the church will be caught up to be with the Lord before that 4th kingdom devours nations. the church is suffering now in many countries. governments are going out of their way to shut churches down.
December 3, 2020 at 7:52 am #67238
I think its a confusing mess … what I’ve been pondering lately is … if they are rounding up the deep state and successful in draining the swamp … these people are either going to Gitmo prison or will be tried for treason and killed off.
Then when the tribulation begins … did the deep state have extra body doubles or clones on hand to use as backup emergency to fool their followers? Can demons enter into clones like they do with unsaved humans and animals?
I also ponder how the AC will recover from his head wound. I do not think the devil has the power to raise up the dead … so will they just be using another body double replacement or clone to fool the left behind?
The Bible warns we are not fighting against flesh and blood …
Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Yeah the 4th kingdom that is coming is going to be scary …with the Restrainer permitting the devil to do anything he pleases for a short while … also having the Nephilims walking about on the earth and the fallen angels that are chained in the bottomless pit get released as well … soooo glad the Lord is taken His bride out of here before it gets REALLY crazy.
December 3, 2020 at 2:53 pm #67252
The deep state and the “white hats” are one and the same, IMHO. There are no “good guys” cavalry coming over the horizon. Just dominionists with an evil plan.
They can easily fake arrests and fake executions through CGI. Piece of cake.
They’ll be whisked to underground bunkers where they will wait for Revelation 6 to cry out for the rocks and mountains to fall on them.
December 3, 2020 at 5:09 pm #67256
I’m on the fence with the “white hats” are one and the same with the “deep state” and the “fake” arrests … because why would Trump spend 4 years of his life becoming President to block them from their sinister goal? Also according to these news sources … he expanded and updated the prison camps in Gitmo for the future arrests? Why go thru all this trouble for nothing? It doesn’t make sense.
The Miami Herald … March 27, 2018
The Trump administration has more than $200 million in new construction teed up for Guantánamo this year and next, combining new funding in the $1.3 trillion spending bill and existing projects.
The biggest ticket item for the U.S. Navy base in Cuba in the so-called Omnibus Spending law is $115 million for a new 848-troop barracks across the street from the McDonald’s and commissary to consolidate enlisted prison staff under one roof.
The Obama administration’s stated goal was to close Guantanamo Bay Prison, or Gitmo. Under President Donald Trump, the detention camp for alleged terrorists is now an “enduring mission,” and the Pentagon has asked officials here to plan to stay open another 25 years.
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Per Keegan7 @ J.D. Farag.org board
What is Agenda 21?
Depopulation of 95% of the world by 2030! Part of the UN goal.
As the coronavirus ravages the world’s economies … Bill Gates and his Agend 21 has made a reemergence into the public eye. According to UN website … Agenda 21 is “comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the UN system, government, and major groups, in every area in which humans have impact on the environment. In a nutshell the plan call for governments to take control of all land used and not leave any of the decision making in the hands of private property owners!
The World Economic Forum announced that its postponed 2021 Davis summit, themed as “The Great Reset” in the coronavirus crisis, will be placed in Lucerne, Switzerland from May 18 to 21, 2021.
President Trump is the key obstacle
On the campaign trail, he repeatedly stated that “as long as he was president, America would never be a socialist nation”. In other words, he will never allow the US to join “The Great Reset”.
But will the election of Joe Biden as president accomplish all the goals of the left as quickly as they need to meet their 2030 goal? If the Republicans retain control of the Senate and it looks probable, they will vote down all proposals put forward by Biden or Harris that would move America toward The Great Reset. Biden would still inflect considerable damage to the US in regard to its standing as a free and independent nation but the checks and balances of the constitution would slow down the march of America to the Great Reset.
The globalists of our world and the deep sate within America need something more drastic to meet their timetable of brining the US and thus the world under their domain by 2030.
This takes me to what I call “The Great Setup”
The elite globalists and deep state cannot allow President Trump to remain President until January 2025.
I believe the great set-up is this: by calling the election early for Biden, the media hyped the expectations of the left to a fever pitch, which sets them up for over-the-top fury should the Supreme Court give the election to President Trump. This outcome now appears to be a distant possibility given the massive amount of evidence that the Trump team is assembling!
If this happens, I believe we will see the greatest outbreak of violence in America since the Civil War. Was the writing on the garage door indicative of the ultimate plans of the elite globalists. “Elections No – Revolution Yes!” I think it was.
Such violence would make the US extremely vulnerable to foreign enemies. And should the revolutionists overturn the government and put their person in charge (it will almost certainly not be Joe Biden), they will place the United States on a glide path to the Great Reset.
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